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[Future]

he cant do that. He isn't a free agent of any sort right now. We still own his rights.

Dallas owns the right to match any contract offer that Lawrence signs. He can absolutely negotiate with other teams - that's exactly what the non-exclusive tag is. Whether or not he signs that tag is irrelevant, because it doesn't require a commitment by the player.

 

[glimmerman]

many don't understand how the tag works glimmer. Nothing can happen until its signed. The only caveat is if the team rescinds it and other compensation is agreed to...via a new deal or a trade.

We got him just like he has us.

 

[Rayman70]

We got him just like he has us.

yup.

 

[Future]

many don't understand how the tag works glimmer. Nothing can happen until its signed. The only caveat is if the team rescinds it and other compensation is agreed to...via a new deal or a trade.

This is unequivocally false. They can't trade him, but Dallas would get compensation (2 first-round picks) if he signs with another team and Dallas chooses not to match. This is why teams almost always use the non-exclusive tag.

 

[glimmerman]

Dallas owns the right to match any contract offer that Lawrence signs. He can absolutely negotiate with other teams - that's exactly what the non-exclusive tag is. Whether or not he signs that tag is irrelevant, because it doesn't require a commitment by the player.

And guess who isn’t getting offered more than what we offered. No one is going to pay him and give up those picks...

 

[Rayman70]

Dallas owns the right to match any contract offer that Lawrence signs. He can absolutely negotiate with other teams - that's exactly what the non-exclusive tag is. Whether or not he signs that tag is irrelevant, because it doesn't require a commitment by the player.

FRANCHISE TAG, not the non exclusive. He's been tagged with the Franchise tag. He cannot negotiate with other teams on his own.

 

[Rayman70]

This is unequivocally false. They can't trade him, but Dallas would get compensation (2 first-round picks) if he signs with another team and Dallas chooses not to match. This is why teams almost always use the non-exclusive tag.

he's not under THAT tag.

 

[Jumbo075]

I have ZERO problem with players who are NOT under contract holding out for more money. I have a HUGE problem with players who ARE under contract holding out. There's no reason to get your panties in a wad because Lawrence is taking a hard line stance on negotiating, and there is no big rush to get the deal done before the deadline this summer. People just need to chill out.

I do think it is unwise for Lawrence to forego surgery, because I think that weakens his negotiating stance, instead of strengthening it. But maybe he and his agent know something I don't. It's quite possible I'm wrong about that.

 

[Rayman70]

He can only negotiate with Dallas unless we rescind it and the sides agree to other compensation or terms. HE HASN'T SIGNED ANYTHING, so it reverts back to Dallas.

 

[Rayman70]

I have ZERO problem with players who are NOT under contract holding out for more money. I have a HUGE problem with players who ARE under contract holding out. There's no reason to get your panties in a wad because Lawrence is taking a hard line stance on negotiating, and there is no big rush to get the deal done before the deadline this summer. People just need to chill out.

I do think it is unwise for Lawrence to forego surgery, because I think that weakens his negotiating stance, instead of strengthening it. But maybe he and his agent know something I don't. It's quite possible I'm wrong about that.

the surgery is my issue.

 

[Future]

And guess who isn’t getting offered more than what we offered. No one is going to pay him and give up those picks...

Probably. But the point is that he can use the money that other teams are offering as leverage.

he's not under THAT tag.

Yes he is. It is the non-exclusive franchise tag.
https://nflcommunications.com/Pages/Franchise-and-Transition-Players-Named---.aspx

 

[glimmerman]

I have ZERO problem with players who are NOT under contract holding out for more money. I have a HUGE problem with players who ARE under contract holding out. There's no reason to get your panties in a wad because Lawrence is taking a hard line stance on negotiating, and there is no big rush to get the deal done before the deadline this summer. People just need to chill out.

I do think it is unwise for Lawrence to forego surgery, because I think that weakens his negotiating stance, instead of strengthening it. But maybe he and his agent know something I don't. It's quite possible I'm wrong about that.

To late. They are in a bunch. It’s the offseason and I have nothing better to do.. Lol

 

[Rayman70]

bottomline is, he's property of the Dallas Cowboys until we say he isn't. PERIOD. Now that may mean we trade him..(has to sign the tag or we have to rescind it), or we sign him to a longterm deal...OR HE PLAYS UNDER THE TAG AND EARNS HIS 20 MIL for 1 year. Either way, he wins. NOW GET THE DARN SURGERY. lol

 

[Jumbo075]

the surgery is my issue.

Maybe it will be a blessing in disquise. Maybe if Lawrence's start to the season is delayed, Charlton will finally step up. I've always believed Charlton is more of a LDE than RDE, so his progress is hampered by playing behind Lawrence. When they drafted Charlton, I immediately said his long-term upside is similar to Tony Tolbert - who also played LDE opposite Charles Haley. And I've got to believe the Cowboys drafted Charlton as a potential replacement for Lawrence, while they hoped Gregory would be their long-term RDE. Gregory is still the long-term hope at RDE - although that hope is fading. And Robert Quinn is a very good choice to play RDE now while Gregory is out on yet another suspension. Also, the Cowboys could always choose to negotiate a longer term deal with Quinn next year, who is still only 28 years old.

While Lawrence is better than both Charlton or Crawford, either one of those players can adequately play the LDE position, as long as you get a top pass rusher at RDE. And you can shift Jaylon Smith to Strong side LB and blitz him off the edge on the left side to create more pressure. The Cowboys now have options at RDE - Quinn and Gregory. And who knows if Armstrong will develop. But I'm not overly concerned about Lawrence missing a couple of games, and allowing Charlton to develop.

 

[glimmerman]

Ya know if the players and FO would just do everything I told them we would have a SB by now. Oh and also let me call the plays during the game.. Lol.

 

[Vanilla2]

Never be on managements side in any situation.

 

[CouchCoach]

And guess who isn’t getting offered more than what we offered. No one is going to pay him and give up those picks...

THAT is the issue, I would assume at this point if the Cowboys could get a good pick, they would trade him but the combination of the $ he wants and giving up a high pick is a tough sell.

If I were the Cowboys, I would do a NE or PIT and just get something but get out from under the weight of a 20M+ DE. What team will give up a 1st and pay Lawrence. Draft Day is coming and that will be the rest of the story. After that, it all settles down and I think he gets the surgery but doesn't sign the tag just yet. Going to milk that.

I wondered about Belichick not tagging Flowers and trading him and get at least something for him. And maybe he was doing a solid for Flowers. He stayed at AR his senior year to help his coach and didn't help his draft position that much. That says something about the man, not just the player. Hard to think of Belichick being sentimental about any player but he does have his guys.

 

[CouchCoach]

Ya know if the players and FO would just do everything I told them we would have a SB by now. Oh and also let me call the plays during the game.. Lol.

I could de a better job drunk and stoned. Need to get an interpreter to call the plays in though.

 

[CouchCoach]

Maybe it will be a blessing in disquise. Maybe if Lawrence's start to the season is delayed, Charlton will finally step up. I've always believed Charlton is more of a LDE than RDE, so his progress is hampered by playing behind Lawrence. When they drafted Charlton, I immediately said his long-term upside is similar to Tony Tolbert - who also played LDE opposite Charles Haley. And I've got to believe the Cowboys drafted Charlton as a potential replacement for Lawrence, while they hoped Gregory would be their long-term RDE. Gregory is still the long-term hope at RDE - although that hope is fading. And Robert Quinn is a very good choice to play RDE now while Gregory is out on yet another suspension. Also, the Cowboys could always choose to negotiate a longer term deal with Quinn next year, who is still only 28 years old.

While Lawrence is better than both Charlton or Crawford, either one of those players can adequately play the LDE position, as long as you get a top pass rusher at RDE. And you can shift Jaylon Smith to Strong side LB and blitz him off the edge on the left side to create more pressure. The Cowboys now have options at RDE - Quinn and Gregory. And who knows if Armstrong will develop. But I'm not overly concerned about Lawrence missing a couple of games, and allowing Charlton to develop.

And maybe Houston won't flood again after adding even more concrete?

I do not think the sense of urgency our forum seems to have affects the team. They do have options as well as that first pick in the draft which should be DL. And they haven't backed off on that notion that Gregory will be available. Of course, Booger didn't think Elliott would catch a time out either but I think this is different. Very little has been said about his situation or why he caught this last time out. It's very quiet for a reason and I think the league office has asked Booger to be quiet about what's going on.

In any case, I would draft a DL with the first two picks and tell Marinelli they're all yours, that's your job.

 

[exciter]

The Cowboys seriously messed up by passing up on TJ Watt but instead drafting Taco Charlton. Ugh. That bad pick is haunting the Cowboys right now.

Imagine if TJ Watt was here instead? Cowboys could have traded D-Law since last season. Because Taco has greatly underachieved, the Cowboys are in a big bind which D-Law and his agent are taking full advantage of.

Oh please, Watt would be a Sam lb in this defense. You don't drop a 1st on a Sam. Practically every scouting report on him felt he was maxed on his frame, most didn't fill he he couldn't adjust to a 3 point and felt his career would be drastically shortened because of his knees, taking on OTs every play. Atlanta took a nutter over him for there 43 also. Watt is a 34 lb with a short shelf life, nothing more!