Most likely Draft Scenario

[90'sBoys]

Trade up Scenario

Look for the Cowboys to trade up to the 10 - 13 spot if (and only if) Adrian Peterson some how falls to 10. Most likely he would be the only one to slide that far that has the "Wow" factor Jones is looking for. Calvin Johnson is a stud and Jones knows it, but he won't make it past the top three picks. Jones won't move up that far.

Although, Jones said he would not trade a player, he might have to..to get this done. Unless, he is willing to trade this years first and 4th and next years 2nd to move up high enough to get Peterson in the 10- 13 range. Then he can trade a player (Julius) or players for next years 2nd or 3rd right after the draft to recoup that pick.

Forget about the draft value chart, that will be thrown out the window. He said as much. He will offer what he wants to and hopefully the teams will accept. More teams are willing to move down out of the top 10 than are willing to move up to the top 10. It should be a buyer's market this year.

If he can keep our second round pick this year he can parlay that into a reciever (Jarrett). He also mentioned taking a QB the first day which would be most likely in the 3rd round (Kolb or Stanton). He mentioned both positions as first day picks and unless we somehow pick up more picks in the those two rounds we are looking at possibly an "all offense" draft on the first day.

Second day you could bundle some of the picks in the latter rounds and move into the 4th and pick BPA or need player.

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If Peterson does not fall that low, we will not move up and we will sit pat at #22 and listen to offers to move down and pick up more day 1 picks. (I personally like this option better to address more needs on both sides of the ball). I still think we draft a Safety, WR, QB, and OLB, with this scenario for day1.

I just don't see Jones standing still at #22 and keeping all 10 picks as they are slotted. He "has" to do something, he won't be vanilla as he said. This is his first non-Parcells draft and he will be wanting to make a splash of some kind....it's his nature to do so.

Sit back...it should be an interesting ride Saturday.

 

[SDogo]

Trade up Scenario

Look for the Cowboys to trade up to the 10 - 13 spot if (and only if) Adrian Peterson some how falls to 10. Most likely he would be the only one to slide that far that has the "Wow" factor Jones is looking for. Calvin Johnson is a stud and Jones knows it, but he won't make it past the top three picks. Jones won't move up that far.

Although, Jones said he would not trade a player, he might have to..to get this done. Unless, he is willing to trade this years first and 4th and next years 2nd to move up high enough to get Peterson in the 10- 13 range. Then he can trade a player (Julius) or players for next years 2nd or 3rd right after the draft to recoup that pick.

Forget about the draft value chart, that will be thrown out the window. He said as much. He will offer what he wants to and hopefully the teams will accept. More teams are willing to move down out of the top 10 than are willing to move up to the top 10. It should be a buyer's market this year.

If he can keep our second round pick this year he can parlay that into a reciever (Jarrett). He also mentioned taking a QB the first day which would be most likely in the 3rd round (Kolb or Stanton). He mentioned both positions as first day picks and unless we somehow pick up more picks in the those two rounds we are looking at possibly an "all offense" draft on the first day.

Second day you could bundle some of the picks in the latter rounds and move into the 4th and pick BPA or need player.

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If Peterson does not fall that low, we will not move up and we will sit pat at #22 and listen to offers to move down and pick up more day 1 picks. (I personally like this option better to address more needs on both sides of the ball). I still think we draft a Safety, WR, QB, and OLB, with this scenario for day1.

I just don't see Jones standing still at #22 and keeping all 10 picks as they are slotted. He "has" to do something, he won't be vanilla as he said. This is his first non-Parcells draft and he will be wanting to make a splash of some kind....it's his nature to do so.

Sit back...it should be an interesting ride Saturday.

Like I said earlier, Jones is looking for value. If that means moving up to get a player or down to get more picks next year he won't do it unless he empties somone's wallet. I think he would love to move down and set himself up next year with two first.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Trade up Scenario

Look for the Cowboys to trade up to the 10 - 13 spot if (and only if) Adrian Peterson some how falls to 10. Most likely he would be the only one to slide that far that has the "Wow" factor Jones is looking for. Calvin Johnson is a stud and Jones knows it, but he won't make it past the top three picks. Jones won't move up that far.

Although, Jones said he would not trade a player, he might have to..to get this done. Unless, he is willing to trade this years first and 4th and next years 2nd to move up high enough to get Peterson in the 10- 13 range. Then he can trade a player (Julius) or players for next years 2nd or 3rd right after the draft to recoup that pick.

Forget about the draft value chart, that will be thrown out the window. He said as much. He will offer what he wants to and hopefully the teams will accept. More teams are willing to move down out of the top 10 than are willing to move up to the top 10. It should be a buyer's market this year.

If he can keep our second round pick this year he can parlay that into a reciever (Jarrett). He also mentioned taking a QB the first day which would be most likely in the 3rd round (Kolb or Stanton). He mentioned both positions as first day picks and unless we somehow pick up more picks in the those two rounds we are looking at possibly an "all offense" draft on the first day.

Second day you could bundle some of the picks in the latter rounds and move into the 4th and pick BPA or need player.

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If Peterson does not fall that low, we will not move up and we will sit pat at #22 and listen to offers to move down and pick up more day 1 picks. (I personally like this option better to address more needs on both sides of the ball). I still think we draft a Safety, WR, QB, and OLB, with this scenario for day1.

I just don't see Jones standing still at #22 and keeping all 10 picks as they are slotted. He "has" to do something, he won't be vanilla as he said. This is his first non-Parcells draft and he will be wanting to make a splash of some kind....it's his nature to do so.

Sit back...it should be an interesting ride Saturday.

Very good post with excellent senerios

 

[Hostile]

to the forum. I don't see trading up as even the least bit likely.

 

[SDogo]

to the forum. I don't see trading up as even the least bit likely.

I agree, I think more then anything that was an attempt to get the possibilty out there and the phone ringing to see if Jerry could either rip someone off or divert the conversation to deals that involve moving around in round 2 and 3.

 

[hendog]

Welcome to the show.

 

[90'sBoys]

I agree, I think more then anything that was an attempt to get the possibilty out there and the phone ringing to see if Jerry could either rip someone off or divert the conversation to deals that involve moving around in round 2 and 3.

With Jones you never know. Look at Shante Carver, David LaFleur, and Quincy Carter and tell me that trading up is not very likely. You never know what is going to happen with Jones running the draft, he is a wildcard to say the least. I know he means well but it doesn't always turn out that way.

With that being said, I do feel he is genuinely interested in moving up if "the" player he is interested in is there in the draft range 10 - 13. If not, he won't just move up to move up, and he will more than likely move down. To me that is where the best value is in this draft, is to move down and pick up an extra 2nd and/or 3rd round selection.

 

[Hostile]

With Jones you never know. Look at Shante Carver, David LaFleur, and Quincy Carter and tell me that trading up is not very likely. You never know what is going to happen with Jones running the draft, he is a wildcard to say the least. I know he means well but it doesn't always turn out that way.

With that being said, I do feel he is genuinely interested in moving up if "the" player he is interested in is there in the draft range 10 - 13. If not, he won't just move up to move up, and he will more than likely move down. To me that is where the best value is in this draft, is to move down and pick up an extra 2nd and/or 3rd round selection.

I think all that talk is to get the phone ringing.

 

[Avery]

Peterson will not be a Cowboy. It's not going to happen.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think all that talk is to get the phone ringing.

It seems he already has two offers to move down. He said he could do a deal before the draft and I guess the other would be during.

He said he would only move up to a certain range (#10 or lower) for a special player and I have no doubt in my mind that AP is that player.

I also have no doubt in my mind that if AD fell to 10 or lower he would do his best to move up to get him. Now I doubt AD falls that far so it will probably never happen however I really do think Jerry would move up to get him if he did start to fall.

 

[superpunk]

It seems he already has two offers to move down. He said he could do a deal before the draft and I guess the other would be during.

I'm sure Jerry has mentioned things to people about possibly maybe moving down.

I'm sure him saying that these are available is meant to entice other offers. I doubt there is anything concrete, though. People probably discuss trade scenarios for Peyton Manning with Bill Polian, too.

 

[sago1]

The comment that it in Jerry's nature to make a splash is very true much to our chagrin. He's made too many of those splashes and none (maybe TO?) has contributed. I just don't want him to do anything stupid. We are not one player away from winning the SB no matter how some believe. Now's the time to add some good players to this team either as immediate contributors/future starters or backups.

If Jones wants to gamble, then next year is the year to do so cause then we should clearly (if all goes well this year) be SB contender and maybe only 1 playmaker away.

 

[YosemiteSam]

to the forum. I don't see trading up as even the least bit likely.

I agree. First if Peterson did fall to the 10th-13th pick, a boat load of teams would be trying to trade up to get him. Not just the Cowboys.

 

[eduncan22]

Trade up Scenario

Look for the Cowboys to trade up to the 10 - 13 spot if (and only if) Adrian Peterson some how falls to 10. Most likely he would be the only one to slide that far that has the "Wow" factor Jones is looking for. Calvin Johnson is a stud and Jones knows it, but he won't make it past the top three picks. Jones won't move up that far.

Although, Jones said he would not trade a player, he might have to..to get this done. Unless, he is willing to trade this years first and 4th and next years 2nd to move up high enough to get Peterson in the 10- 13 range. Then he can trade a player (Julius) or players for next years 2nd or 3rd right after the draft to recoup that pick.

Forget about the draft value chart, that will be thrown out the window. He said as much. He will offer what he wants to and hopefully the teams will accept. More teams are willing to move down out of the top 10 than are willing to move up to the top 10. It should be a buyer's market this year.

If he can keep our second round pick this year he can parlay that into a reciever (Jarrett). He also mentioned taking a QB the first day which would be most likely in the 3rd round (Kolb or Stanton). He mentioned both positions as first day picks and unless we somehow pick up more picks in the those two rounds we are looking at possibly an "all offense" draft on the first day.

Second day you could bundle some of the picks in the latter rounds and move into the 4th and pick BPA or need player.

********************************************************
If Peterson does not fall that low, we will not move up and we will sit pat at #22 and listen to offers to move down and pick up more day 1 picks. (I personally like this option better to address more needs on both sides of the ball). I still think we draft a Safety, WR, QB, and OLB, with this scenario for day1.

I just don't see Jones standing still at #22 and keeping all 10 picks as they are slotted. He "has" to do something, he won't be vanilla as he said. This is his first non-Parcells draft and he will be wanting to make a splash of some kind....it's his nature to do so.

Sit back...it should be an interesting ride Saturday.

??????

We've got a running back. In fact, we've got 2 of them.

We've got a safety. Watkins and his backup [Hamlin]

We've got QB's. Romo and Brad.

We've got 3 of the finest WR's in the league.

We've got 2 starters at OLB [Ware and Carp]

What we do not have is a Right Corner and Nickel back.


This team drafts a CB in the 1st round.

 

[Hostile]

??????

We've got a running back. In fact, we've got 2 of them.

We've got a safety. Watkins and his backup [Hamlin]

We've got QB's. Romo and Brad.

We've got 3 of the finest WR's in the league.

We've got 2 starters at OLB [Ware and Carp]

What we do not have is a Right Corner and Nickel back.


This team drafts a CB in the 1st round.

Mr. Windex gives us the same 2 cents he has for months now.

 

[90'sBoys]

??????

We've got a running back. In fact, we've got 2 of them.

We've got a safety. Watkins and his backup [Hamlin]

We've got QB's. Romo and Brad.

We've got 3 of the finest WR's in the league.

We've got 2 starters at OLB [Ware and Carp]

What we do not have is a Right Corner and Nickel back.


This team drafts a CB in the 1st round.

Do you think that the other teams don't have players at those respective positions? They will draft a player even if they have depth at those positions. If there is a player better than the ones you have listed on the depth chart, then you pick them.

It is that simple.

There is a reason that Jones wants to go offense in the first round (day) of the draft. He is not completely sold on it for some reason. He wants more playmakers, regardless of the running backs, recievers, or QBs on the roster. When Dallas drafted Emmitt, Michael, and Troy they all had players that were starting at those respective positions, but they still drafted the better players and the rest is history.

 

[Verdict]

It seems he already has two offers to move down. He said he could do a deal before the draft and I guess the other would be during.

He said he would only move up to a certain range (#10 or lower) for a special player and I have no doubt in my mind that AP is that player.

I also have no doubt in my mind that if AD fell to 10 or lower he would do his best to move up to get him. Now I doubt AD falls that far so it will probably never happen however I really do think Jerry would move up to get him if he did start to fall.

Jerry's intention might be just that. The draft is a little bit like an auction though. Sometimes in the heat of the moment you might give up a little more than you intended to to get the deal done. Before the Parcells era, if Jerry set hissights on someone he wasn't normally going to be outbid.

I am convinced that if Peterson falls even close to #10 that he will be a Cowboy, if we can get a trading partner. I still don't see him falling that far. I think if we get him we will have to trade up between #4 and #10.

 

[ENGCowboy]

No way do we trade up above 10. Personally I think Jerry just likes to make a fuss just before the draft so he gets a lot of attention on draft day and he can answer the phone himself for a change!! Still think trading down is the answer see if we can pick up WR Rice early second and get 2 1sts for next year when we could well be in need of a studs at LT and NT depending on how this draft goes.

 

[lspain1]

Jerry likes to wheel and deal on draft day. Whether he does or not should be based on value. If they stick to the value proposition, things will be OK. I think the odds of "moving up" are pretty low because the value proposition at 10-15 doesn't look a lot better than 22. The speculation about AP also sounds correct to me and the odds of him falling to a reachable position are poor. It is my opinion that someone like Ginn (although a good player) would not cause Jerry to try and make a deal to move up.

All in all, the same value statement applies to moving down. If there isn't a lot of advantage to moving down...(and more picks lower down doesn't sound great this season) that Jerry won't do it. My guess is, the Cowboys will stand pat.

 

[ethiostar]

??????

We've got a running back. In fact, we've got 2 of them.

We've got a safety. Watkins and his backup [Hamlin]

We've got QB's. Romo and Brad.

We've got 3 of the finest WR's in the league.

We've got 2 starters at OLB [Ware and Carp]

What we do not have is a Right Corner and Nickel back.


This team drafts a CB in the 1st round.

First, using your own argument, we also have a RC (Henry), we have a Nickel back (one of Glenn, Reeves, N. Jones, Butler).

Second, teams draft for depth as well as immediate needs. The Boys have thier starters set, i believe. What they need to do is get younger in certain positions (WR, RC, OL) and solidify thier depth at multiple positions (depending on Ellis' health and where Carpenter eventually lines up these include, OLB/ILB, OL, NT, and QB).

I do agree with you, however, picking a solid CB with the first pick is what i want to see. To me, this gives them a lot of flexibility for going into the season. Henry is getting up there but more importantly his injury is a big concern to me. if he reaggrivates his injury the rookie CB (granted he is one of the top 3-5 CB in the draft) might be able to step in in his place. Also, if our FS position doesn't improve this season (even with the addition of Hamlin and a full year under Watkins belt) then, if healthy, Henry can slide there and the rookie CB can take his spot at RC.

Just my two cents!