Most likely Draft Scenario

[Stash]

What I gathered from Jones' pre-draft press conference is that neither he nor the Cowboys know which way things will go on Saturday.

The draft is a fluid process with plenty of variables which can't possibly be known beforehand, not by owners, GM's, or us fans.

By what I did gather from Jones is that there are several ways the team can go this year:

1) They could trade up for the 'Wow" player Jones alluded to. I took him to mean Adrian Peterson as the player they felt they may have a chance to get.

2) They could in fact trade down for draft picks this year or next and possibly pick up an Anthony Spencer or Justin Blaylock early in Round Two.

3) They could simply 'stand pat' and take their highest-rated player which is looking like Brandon Meriweather in my opinion.

But it seems to me that this year's draft has more possibilities than any in recent memory.

 

[eduncan22]

Henry has been a better Corner for us than JJ has as a runningback ..... and I think JJ has been good.

Wow.

Now, that's a statement. Henry has played better than Julius?

 

[VACowboy]

Peterson's an amazing talent but his inability to stay healthy worries me. I know it has to do with his hard running style, but that doesn't change my mind. I wouldn't mind trading up for him but #10 is too high for me.

 

[Stash]

Peterson's an amazing talent but his inability to stay healthy worries me. I know it has to do with his hard running style, but that doesn't change my mind. I wouldn't mind trading up for him but #10 is too high for me.

I agree. And I've never been a fan of the taller running backs either. I feel that they're more injury-prone and have shorter carerrs because they give defenders 'more to hit.'

 

[Verdict]

Wow.

Now, that's a statement. Henry has played better than Julius?

I drank a little bit of kool aid on the trade down when we selected Jones. I thought it was a good move at the time. Jones looked like he had a lot of potential his rookie year. Upon further analysis, Jones does not appear to be more than an average back who has a tendency to run up the back of his linemen.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's nonsense.

Julius' numbers are very respectable.

2,896 yds in 37 games.

He is a decent back he is not a star RB, he can't carry the load he is very inconsistent with way to many games where he avg 3 yard or less a carry. He has had some big game mostly against teams who are not very good at run stopping. I think we can win with him, heck Dallas won with Newhouse and Preston Pearson at RB but when Dallas got the chance to jump on a real star in Dorsett we took the gamble and it paid off.

 

[eduncan22]

He is a decent back he is not a star RB, he can't carry the load he is very inconsistent with way to many games where he avg 3 yard or less a carry. He has had some big game mostly against teams who are not very good at run stopping. I think we can win with him, heck Dallas won with Newhouse and Preston Pearson at RB but when Dallas got the chance to jump on a real star in Dorsett we took the gamble and it paid off.

You should take a closer look when you compare Dorsett and Julius.

37 games @ 2896 yds = 78.2 ypg -> Julius [16 TDs]

44 games @ 3432 yds = 78.0 ypg -> Tony D [25 TDs]


The Julius' haters are hatin' on a good player

 

[zrinkill]

You should take a closer look when you compare Dorsett and Julius.

37 games @ 2896 yds = 78.2 ypg -> Julius [16 TDs]

44 games @ 3432 yds = 78.0 ypg -> Tony D [25 TDs]


The Julius' haters are hatin' on a good player

So know you are comparing JJ with Tony D ...... sigh ....... Yet you constantly attack the best number 2 corner we have had in a decade .....

and you wonder why noone agrees with ya.

 

[superpunk]

You should take a closer look when you compare Dorsett and Julius.

37 games @ 2896 yds = 78.2 ypg -> Julius [16 TDs]

44 games @ 3432 yds = 78.0 ypg -> Tony D [25 TDs]


The Julius' haters are hatin' on a good player

Convenient how you left out the part where Dorsett has 500 more yards on 20 more carries over your three year span. Hey, if Julius averages 25 ypc for his next 20 totes, he's bound to catch up!

You have the logic of a tree.

 

[eduncan22]

So know you are comparing JJ with Tony D ...... sigh ....... Yet you constantly attack the best number 2 corner we have had in a decade .....

and you wonder why noone agrees with ya.

Yes, I am comparing Julius' 1st 3 seasons to Tony D's. They are very similar.

It's also the reason we are not going to be drafting a RB in the 1st round.

We already have an impact RB.

 

[Doomsday101]

You should take a closer look when you compare Dorsett and Julius.

37 games @ 2896 yds = 78.2 ypg -> Julius [16 TDs]

44 games @ 3432 yds = 78.0 ypg -> Tony D [25 TDs]


The Julius' haters are hatin' on a good player

Hater? That seems to be the 1st thing out of people mouth when they disagree. Hate has nothing to do with it. I think we can do better than Jones if you think he is some great back then good for you I think we can do much better and yes I think Peterson will be what Jones is not an elite RB

 

[proline]

??????

We've got a running back. In fact, we've got 2 of them.

We've got a safety. Watkins and his backup [Hamlin]

We've got QB's. Romo and Brad.

We've got 3 of the finest WR's in the league.

We've got 2 starters at OLB [Ware and Carp]

What we do not have is a Right Corner and Nickel back.


This team drafts a CB in the 1st round.

What we don't have is depth at OLB and DT. I'm very leery of Ellis' return. He was just OK as an OLB before his injury, so it's hard to see how he will be as good or better after the injury. Carp showed something at the end of the season, but who knows where Phillips will want him to line up? And our depth after Ferguson at DT is suspect. If we trade up, I'd like to see it be for Alan Branch.

 

[jobberone]

I kind of get the same feeling.

You want a runner that gives it his all and is not afraid to bang in there but at the same time I just get the feeling he is the type of guy that can be a monster but also fade out quickly due to injuries and style.

Who knows at this point, that is just a gut feeling and about the only good things gut feelings are for is to tell you to visit the restroom most of the time.

:laugh2: Seems as if you have some experience in these matters. Thanks for sharing. Or should I say spilling your guts.

 

[jobberone]

What I gathered from Jones' pre-draft press conference is that neither he nor the Cowboys know which way things will go on Saturday.

The draft is a fluid process with plenty of variables which can't possibly be known beforehand, not by owners, GM's, or us fans.

By what I did gather from Jones is that there are several ways the team can go this year:

1) They could trade up for the 'Wow" player Jones alluded to. I took him to mean Adrian Peterson as the player they felt they may have a chance to get.

2) They could in fact trade down for draft picks this year or next and possibly pick up an Anthony Spencer or Justin Blaylock early in Round Two.

3) They could simply 'stand pat' and take their highest-rated player which is looking like Brandon Meriweather in my opinion.

But it seems to me that this year's draft has more possibilities than any in recent memory.

Boldly spoken Stash.

 

[Stash]

Boldly spoken Stash.

Thanks brother!











Sorry, couldn't resist.

:shatfan:

 

[eduncan22]

Convenient how you left out the part where Dorsett has 500 more yards on 20 more carries over your three year span. Hey, if Julius averages 25 ypc for his next 20 totes, he's bound to catch up!

You have the logic of a tree.

Julius missed several games, due to injuries.

Yet, still managed to put up some very fine numbers.

37 games @ 2896 yds = 78.2 ypg -> Julius [16 TDs]

44 games @ 3432 yds = 78.0 ypg -> Tony D [25 TDs]

 

[Alexander]

You should take a closer look when you compare Dorsett and Julius.

37 games @ 2896 yds = 78.2 ypg -> Julius [16 TDs]

44 games @ 3432 yds = 78.0 ypg -> Tony D [25 TDs]


The Julius' haters are hatin' on a good player

I cannot believe the lengths that people will go to defend this player.

Comparing him to Dorsett?

Statistically?

You have got to either be joking or just incredibly stupid.

 

[eduncan22]

I cannot believe the lengths that people will go to defend this player.

Comparing him to Dorsett?

Statistically?

You have got to either be joking.

Could you tell me what part of those stats are a joke?

Or could it be that your are shocked that Julius is an awesome player?

 

[Alexander]

Could you tell me what part of those stats are a joke?

Or could it be that your are shocked that Julius is an awesome player?

I am not shocked at all, because he isn't an awesome player.

His type can be found in each in every draft. Year in, year out.

But judging by the fact you have the epitomy of a sad sack in your signature line in Danny White, I take it you are a romantic.

Profound results don't mean much to you.

You would rather look back at games that were rather meaningless in the general scheme of things and pick out nice moments that give you the warm fuzzies.

That is what Danny's career was about.

He could never win the big one.

And players like Jones will probably always struggle to compare to the potential he showed in his rookie season.

You like the underdog, that is pretty obvious.

 

[Verdict]

Julius missed several games, due to injuries.

Yet, still managed to put up some very fine numbers.

37 games @ 2896 yds = 78.2 ypg -> Julius [16 TDs]

44 games @ 3432 yds = 78.0 ypg -> Tony D [25 TDs]

It sounds like Julius Jones is one of your favorite Cowboys players. That is cool. I am sure most of us have one. One of my personal favorites is Roy Williams, partially because he was a Sooner.

In my mind, I can think of lots of excuses why Roy got beat, say, on a particular deep pass, for instance. In my mind I often wonder if he got beat because it was someone else's assignment, etc. In reality we will never know whose fault it really was.

My long winded point is that although he is one of my favorites, I am still objective enough to think that maybe he got beat because he just played poorly that particular game, or made a bad decision on that particular play. I am hoping that we get a ballhawking safety and we will find out just how good he really is, and if he is as good as I hope he is.

Your unwavering support of Julius Jones is admirable as a fan of the Cowboys, but realistically, I think that most of the board would say that Jones has underperformed according to the expectations we had for him as a whole. Your belief that nothing is Jones' fault and that he is a hall of fame caliber back if not for the multitude of excuses you make for him would put you in the minority for one, and hurts your credibility for two.

Then again, I am objective enough to understand that while you hold the minority view, you could still be right. I will just believe it when I see it. You are however, entitled to your opinion. Moreover just because I do not subscribe to your opinion does not make it wrong, or vice versa.