Most overrated Present NFL Head Coach...

[Bob Sacamano]

they arent even close.

yes they are, it's funny how the perception of a pretty good receiver for you guys, with Pat Ramsey throwing him the football, and playing on one of the worst Commander squads in history, changes for you guys once he's on another team, both Moss and Coles are very good receivers

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well that is your take Gibbs has the rings to prove he knows a lot about this game.

he knew alot about managing on gameday, not anymore though, hence hiring Saunders to call run his team on O and never even touching the D, on gameday

Skins have not done jack after he left and are only now back into contention since he arrived. All these other coachs failed Gibbs hasn't.

that's GIbbs the GM

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ill make this short since it seems like everyone is talkin to a brick wall here.

yeah, that brick-wall is you Commander homers

Gibbs lets Greg Williams run his D because Greg Williams is one of the best Defensive Coordinators in the game. Simple as that.

cuz he's better at it than the almighty Gibbs, simple as that

Our offense improved a lot last year and i think finished 11th in the league.

after bringing in Musgrave

Adding that we also made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs

your O isn't what got you to the 2nd round of the playoffs, and if bringing in Saunders is any indication after that shenanigan of a playoff, offensive performance, doesn't that speak volumes about what GIbbs feels about his game-day management abilities on offense? that it didnt' go so well so he needs to hire someone who's very good at it, better than him, to do it?

Joe Gibbs is the head coach. Do not forget that. He decides who we cut and how the practices are run.

sounds more like he's the GM to me

something as absurd that If Gibbs is so overrated, what does that make your Boy Parcells, who hasnt done anything since taking your team to the playoffs his first year? OK so maybe my answer wasnt so short.

we're not saying Gibbs is so overrated, just he tends to be a little bit once he came back to football, evidenced by him bringing in head coaching candidates to run both sides of the football, and stepping back, and parcells to an extent is overrated too, but at least he doesn't feel that he needs to keep his hands off of managing games

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

and if bringing in Saunders is any indication after that shenanigan of a playoff, offensive performance

do you think that any of that performance could have come atribute to loosing one of/if not our best lineman just two weeks earlier? You all should know all about that. Believe it or not, but even one lineman going down can change your whole offensive line for the worse. I have a feeling that loosing a star lineman completly changed our whole offensive outlook. And with a healthy line, it could have been a better performance.

Also, don't forget that Brunell was hurt for the second half of the year. Which, ironiclly, is when the offensive passing game started to die down. During the playoffs, his passes were sailing over the heads of his recievers because of the injured knee. With a healthy QB, it might have been a different story as well.

 

[riggo]

I said equal in talent, both are small, fast receivers

moss equal to coles in talent? huh?

btw- coles used to be fast. he hasnt demonstrated an ability to burn anybody decent since about his 4th game as a skins. the stats even bear that out. a 10-11 yard per catch WR is not fast.

but dont respond to the stats or back up your claim anything.

I'd say Moss is on par with Glenn, and COles just a rung below the 2

thats a bit of a homer position, to say the least. i give credit to glenn for having a good year last year. but moss' averages as a 3 year starter are better than glenns last year, which was the best of his 10 year career.

nothing against glenn, but you can't put him on par with moss.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

moss equal to coles in talent? huh?

btw- coles used to be fast. he hasnt demonstrated an ability to burn anybody decent since about his 4th game as a skins. the stats even bear that out. a 10-11 yard per catch WR is not fast.

but dont respond to the stats or back up your claim anything.

the Jets run a version of the WCO, which relies on taking short passes and getting yards after the catch, he isn't asked to run down the field as much as Moss is in the Jet's O, and look at the QBs he had to work with, to say Coles isn't fast is stupid

nothing against glenn, but you can't put him on par with moss.

Glenn's stats were pretty much on par with Moss' last year, a higher ypc, and 2 less TDs on about 20 less grabs

 

[Bob Sacamano]

riggo, where would you rank Moss with TO?

 

[riggo]

after having to bring in Musgrave, and still the O wasn't at where Gibbs wanted it, evidenced by having the 2nd worst, inept performance in playoff history

skinsgibbs addressed this. you of all people should know how much losing a O lineman can kill you offense. the skins had a 43 year old starting both playoff games- not to mention brunell and portis were banged up. nothing like taking one game and trying to make it represent how they played all season. especially after a game which they scored 35 on your boys.

what does what Gibbs last did 12 years ago have to do with anything? we're talking about the GIbbs of now, the one who relegates the responsibilities to his coorindators

first of all, do you use that same standard with your own coach?

secondly, gibbs bringing in possible the best assistants in the game is not a bad thing. parcells had payton til this year and zimmer. gibbs has williams and saunders. but i should expect you to spin it negatively.

 

[riggo]

riggo, where would you rank Moss with TO?

to is the best in the game.

moss did have more yards last year than to has ever had in a season, but to is the best.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

skinsgibbs addressed this. you of all people should know how much losing a O lineman can kill you offense.

it didn't kill our O that bad

the skins had a 43 year old starting both playoff games- not to mention brunell and portis were banged up.

excuses, excuses, it's the playoffs!

nothing like taking one game and trying to make it represent how they played all season. especially after a game which they scored 35 on your boys.

I like how you homers keep bringing up last year in an attempt to rile me up, almost though, all I got to say about that is every dog has it's day, but hiring Saunders says it all about your O

secondly, gibbs bringing in possible the best assistants in the game is not a bad thing.

no, but hiring them and letting THEM run everything on game-day says alot

 

[riggo]

the Jets run a version of the WCO, which relies on taking short passes and getting yards after the catch, he isn't asked to run down the field as much as Moss is in the Jet's O, and look at the QBs he had to work with, to say Coles isn't fast is stupid

coles was fast. he got hurt. he's not that fast anymore. but he does have good hands.

and you yourself just mentioned YAC. 10.6 and 11.6 YPC probably means that your YAC sucks. thanks for bringing that up.

Glenn's stats were pretty much on par with Moss' last year, a higher ypc, and 2 less TDs on about 20 less grabs

20 less grabs isnt on par. 2 less TD's is close. his YPC is great. but, moss' 3 year average is still better than glenns best year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

coles was fast. he got hurt. he's not that fast anymore. but he does have good hands.

and you yourself just mentioned YAC. 10.6 and 11.6 YPC probably means that your YAC sucks. thanks for bringing that up.

on that tip, are you saying Chad Jackson isn't fast? he only averaged 10 ypc his final year at Florida

20 less grabs isnt on par. 2 less TD's is close. his YPC is great. but, moss' 3 year average is still better than glenns best year.

all I care about is their career years, which both having come last year, with a 16-game slate, that's how you best compare 2 players at the same position

 

[riggo]

it didn't kill our O that bad

bledsoe was money up til flo got hurt. thats been repeated over and over again on this board.

excuses, excuses, it's the playoffs!

i never said the same when it came to flo getting hurt because i know what one injury on the O line can do. jansen went down 2 years ago and it killed the O. i'll be sure to pull the excuses card when i hear about the flo injury from now on.

I like how you homers keep bringing up last year in an attempt to rile me up, almost though, all I got to say about that is every dog has it's day, but hiring Saunders says it all about your O

summer, i wasnt really trying to rile you up, but its is a little odd that you talk about how bad the O sucked when they were better than you boys and they did what they did to your boys last year. your boys scored 2 TD's in 2 games vs the skins last year. you should just leave the skins O alone. i would.

no, but hiring them and letting THEM run everything on game-day says alot

news flash. O and D coordinators get paid to call plays.

 

[riggo]

all I care about is their career years, which both having come last year, with a 16-game slate, that's how you best compare 2 players at the same position

ok. then peerless price is better than glenn.

muhsin muhammed is better than both moss and glenn.....

 

[apickmans]

Summer,

I here with 2 friends that are Cowboys fans and showed them how stubborn you have been with your posts. They pretty much just think you are a huge skins hater, which is fine by them, but your arguements just hold no water. If you feel so strongly that Gibbs is overrated where are all your cowboys posters backing you up??? It seems like you are the only one. This same thread has your own fans defending Gibbs and attacking Parcells. As Kobe would say "maybe you werent hugged enough as a kid" ...Stop the hating Summer.

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

no, but hiring them and letting THEM run everything on game-day says alot

well, I don't really know what else to say. This argument is getting old. We are all reiterating the same statements over and over now, and it is getting a little tiresome. I think that we should all agree that this argument is never going to end anytime soon, and it isn't getting anywhere. So maybe we should just let it all go before we waiste more time.

 

[apickmans]

yeah, that brick-wall is you Commander homers

Still you buddy.

cuz he's better at it than the almighty Gibbs, simple as that

Since when has Gibbs been known as being a defensive mastermind??? shows how much you really know.



after bringing in Musgrave

Oh yeah it has nothing to do with gettin our great right tackle Jansen back, and finally solving our Center problems with Casey Rabach(i feel like im repeating myself). Better O line=better protection and better rushing. I guess it has nothing to do with Gibbs having a year underneath his belt, and us running more zone runs this year and portis having great because of it. Yep youre right it was all Musgrave...spare me.


your O isn't what got you to the 2nd round of the playoffs, and if bringing in Saunders is any indication after that shenanigan of a playoff, offensive performance, doesn't that speak volumes about what GIbbs feels about his game-day management abilities on offense? that it didnt' go so well so he needs to hire someone who's very good at it, better than him, to do it?

Oh really? Our O isnt what destroyed the cowboys by putting up 35 points, then putting up 35 against the giants, and finished with dropping 31 on the eagles, on our way to the playoffs. yeah our O isnt what got us in the playoffs.

sounds more like he's the GM to me

well youre wrong



we're not saying Gibbs is so overrated, just he tends to be a little bit once he came back to football, evidenced by him bringing in head coaching candidates to run both sides of the football, and stepping back, and parcells to an extent is overrated too, but at least he doesn't feel that he needs to keep his hands off of managing games

i thought the name of this thread was "most overrated Head coach in the present day" ????? Now hes just a little overrated? you need to decide what you wanna say.

 

[BigDFan5]

i thought the name of this thread was "most overrated Head coach in the present day" ????? Now hes just a little overrated? you need to decide what you wanna say.

Gibbs is most definately overrated by Skins fans, and I doubt very much you have any friends that are Cowboys fans. I have a hard time believing you have friends at all.

 

[Doomsday101]

Gibbs is most definately overrated by Skins fans, and I doubt very much you have any friends that are Cowboys fans. I have a hard time believing you have friends at all.

Throwing bible verse in one thread and bombs in another. :laugh1: Where is your forgiveness and tolerance? :laugh1:

 

[apickmans]

haha even if Gibbs is overrated by skins fans...can you blame us?? He has brought us 3 Super bowl championships and back to the playoffs. This thread wasnt whos the most overrated according to skins fans. I have friends that are cowboy fans because i need to fill a quota of idiot friends ya know....to make myself feel smarter.........You need to relax buddy. Go drink a beer, who knows you actually feel better about yourself.