Most overrated Present NFL Head Coach...

[superpunk]

At the sake of sounding redundant, I'm going to repeat my opinion on this.

Given how hard these men work, putting their futures in the hands of players who can screw up everything, and under the pressures that they do it, none of them are over rated, but many are under appreciated.

blah, blah, blah.....

take your voice of reason....and shove it.:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

blah, blah, blah.....

take your voice of reason....and shove it.:laugh2:

Thank you.

 

[Doomsday101]

At the sake of sounding redundant, I'm going to repeat my opinion on this.

Given how hard these men work, putting their futures in the hands of players who can screw up everything, and under the pressures that they do it, none of them are over rated, but many are under appreciated.

I agree. I think when you get down to it the main job of any HC is to get 53 players buying into your program. All coaches in the NFL understand the X's and O's getting a team to come together is not an easy task.

 

[Gamebreaker]

ESPN splits. 198 times.....rare.....

Aw, I see.

Well, if you're going to claim to this can you at least be completely accurate about it. Before, you said it was 198 attempts out of 454 total passes. If you add up the number of attempts in that category, it comes to 609. Which further decreases the frequency the formation was used.

Also, did you ever look beyond that? Look at the results of using the formation. You claim this is why the offense improved to 11th in the league, yet the result of the plays in shotgun resulted in the lowest completion percentage and the worst TD/INT ratio. Where is the improvement?

 

[superpunk]

Aw, I see.

Well, if you're going to claim to this can you at least be completely accurate about it. Before, you said it was 198 attempts out of 454 total passes. If you add up the number of attempts in that category, it comes to 609. Which further decreases the frequency the formation was used.

Right. Brunell threw 609 passes. Do I have to teach you to read a stat sheet?

I suppose it's not possible that when Brunell was in te shotgun, there was only one back there with him?

Also, did you ever look beyond that? Look at the results of using the formation. You claim this is why the offense improved to 11th in the league, yet the result of the plays in shotgun resulted in the lowest completion percentage and the worst TD/INT ratio. Where is the improvement?

The improvement lies in it opening up your offense, giving defenses a new wrinkle, something else to think about. Come on, I thought you were smarter than this....

 

[YosemiteSam]

Larry Brown... oh, thats NBA, but he still sucks! He got way to much credit for the team he had. Kind of like when Barry Switzer won the super bowl...

[SIZE=-1]1. [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Wade Phillips (ugh, I'm glad he is gone from any team)[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
2. Herm Edwards (He just plain sucks)
3. [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Lovey Smith (Bears had a weak schedule)
4. Dennis Green (although the Vikings org sucks too and that hurt him)
5. Dave Campo (great d-backs coach, but stunk as a head coach. To lenient to players)
6. Chan Galey
7. [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Barry Switzer (as an NFL head coach)

This list isn't in any particular order except that Larry Brown is first on the list. Oh yeah, he is NBA... still sucks...
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[SkinsHokieFan]

Superpunk you are like talking to a damn brick wall and it is apparent you never have played a down of nor have been in a football locker room

Commanders fans can readily admit that Gibbs' first season back was a big failure on offense, even with a 1300 yard running back and that he wisely brought in outside help. Not doing so would have shown a lack of leadership and foresight

When the best available OC became available, who happened to be in the same coaching tree (Don Coryell's system) Gibbs went and got his guy and put his ego aside and gave up playcalling for the sake of the team and having it improve

However, Joe Gibbs, like Jimmy Johnson, Dick Vermeil (who gasp won a Superbowl with an OC and DC), and other head coaches set the tone for the organization. The discipline, the practice habits, the starting lineups, and do have a hand in the game planning process. They dictate the schedules, how much time is allotted for special teams work and who ultimately makes the team and what the right mix for the team is.

Like I said, if it was strictly X's and O's guys like Norv Turner, Mike Martz, Rich Kottite, Ray Rhodes, Dennis Green, Jim Fassel, Chan Gailey, Dave Wannstead, Dom Capers, would all be multiple superbowl winners

But its not. And if you had ever been in a huddle, you would realize that

 

[Doomsday101]

Superpunk you are like talking to a damn brick wall and it is apparent you never have played a down of nor have been in a football locker room

Commanders fans can readily admit that Gibbs' first season back was a big failure on offense, even with a 1300 yard running back and that he wisely brought in outside help. Not doing so would have shown a lack of leadership and foresight

When the best available OC became available, who happened to be in the same coaching tree (Don Coryell's system) Gibbs went and got his guy and put his ego aside and gave up playcalling for the sake of the team and having it improve

However, Joe Gibbs, like Jimmy Johnson and other head coaches set the tone for the organization. The discipline, the practice habits, the starting lineups, and do have a hand in the game planning process. They dictate the schedules, how much time is allotted for special teams work and who ultimately makes the team and what the right mix for the team is.

Like I said, if it was strictly X's and O's guys like Norv Turner, Mike Martz, Rich Kottite, Ray Rhodes, Dennis Green, Jim Fassel, Chan Gailey, Dave Wannstead, Dom Capers, would all be multiple superbowl winners

But its not. And if you had ever been in a huddle, you would realize that

I agree and I would add the HC is also the one who makes the call on 4th down to go for it or not, he determines when to play it risky or when to be conservative. The assistant carry out the order but the coach dictates what is going on be it offense, defense or special teams.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

I agree and I would add the HC is also the one who makes the call on 4th down to go for it or not, he determines when to play it risky or when to be conservative. The assistant carry out the order but the coach dictates what is going on be it offense, defense or special teams.

Amazing when Skins and Boys agree

 

[superpunk]

Thanks for that stock, "if you had ever played football" response. That hasn't been done to death, when the poster has nothing relevant to share anymore. Nice originality. I'm glad you think Gibbs made these moves in the name of "putting his ego aside." I don't buy that. Gibbs couldn't get it done, so he got help. There's no shame, but it does make him overrated as a coach.

 

[Gamebreaker]

Right. Brunell threw 609 passes. Do I have to teach you to read a stat sheet?

I suppose it's not possible that when Brunell was in te shotgun, there was only one back there with him?

No, when Brunell was behind center and we used multiple TE sets was the majority of the time when one back was lined up.

The improvement lies in it opening up your offense, giving defenses a new wrinkle, something else to think about. Come on, I thought you were smarter than this....

You just contradicted your argument, I thought you were smarter than that. You've been claiming Musgrave's impact was so great on this offense, that he was the sole reason the offense improved because Gibbs was incapable of doing so. Yet admit all he did was add a new wrinkle to the offense. A wrinkle that, in terms of on field performance, had the least favorable impact. Using Musgrave as the sole reason why that 2005 offense improved from 2004 like I said, does not hold water.

 

[superpunk]

No, when Brunell was behind center and we used multiple TE sets was the majority of the time when one back was lined up.

Right. 609 pass attempts.

You just contradicted your argument, I thought you were smarter than that. You've been claiming Musgrave's impact was so great on this offense, that he was the sole reason the offense improved because Gibbs was incapable of doing so. Yet admit all he did was add a new wrinkle to the offense. A wrinkle that, in terms of on field performance, had the least favorable impact. Using Musgrave as the sole reason why that 2005 offense improved from 2004 like I said, does not hold water.

Oh, gamebreaker, when will you learn....did you even read the links I gave you, talking about how Musgrave retooled the offense? How he implemented the shotgun, and installed more west coast principles? Apparently not.

Oh well....

 

[Doomsday101]

Amazing when Skins and Boys agree

Unlike some of my fellow Cowboy fans I will always respect winning and what it takes to put together a winning team. I'm not a fan of the 9ers but I have always respected what they accomplished, same with teams like Pitt. I have never been a fan of the skins but I do respect Joe Gibbs as a HC and what he brings to the table.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Mike "I can't win without Elway" Shanahan

 

[MossBurner]

Well your entitled to your opinion but the fact remains Gibbs is successful in what ever he gets involved with so he must have a clue as to what he is doing.

Ding ding ding

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Jim Mora Jr. - Folks forgot the Falcons did some impressive things the first year Vick was there under Reeves. They beat Green Bay in Green Bay in the playoffs. Vick went down with the injury, and of course, they were terrible that year and Reeves got fired. They were probably running a 3-4 with a roster that should have been running the 4-3. Not to take anything away from Mora, but I thought he had a pretty good situation going in. He went to the NFC Championship, and that's definitely something, but I wasn't sure he had earned the accolades that people were already throwing his direction. He did some questionable stuff last year, and the Falcons had a down year, folks aren't as quick to annoint him the next bright young coach now I guess.

 

[BruceWayne]

Right now I'm going with John Gruden. I hate the Commanders as much as anybody but I can't see Gibbs being overrated respect due and I'll still say that when we beat the brakes off the skins in '06 '07 :starspin

 

[GhettoxCowboy]

bill parcells is the most overrated head coach. hate it or love it homers

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

bill parcells is the most overrated head coach. hate it or love it homers

Any reason you say that?

Coming from a Commander fan, I totally disagree with your assessment there

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So Moss coming in for Coles wasn't adding talent? Of course, because his numbers didn't even come close to Coles' numbers. Right?

Coles and Moss are about equal in talent, you traded a good receiver for another good receiver