Most overrated Present NFL Head Coach...

[Bob Sacamano]

besides jansen coming back from an injured year off, rabach taking over for raymer.....and that moss fella taking over for coles....you are correct.

you improved the RT position, yippee!

I'm talking about adding catalyctic playmakers, you could make a case for Moss being more of a playmaker than Coles, but 1 player doesn't improve your O that dramatically, unless you're well...TO

 

[Bob Sacamano]

so he must have a clue as to what he is doing.

yep, sure does, hiring people to coach his team

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Unlike some of my fellow Cowboy fans I will always respect winning and what it takes to put together a winning team. I'm not a fan of the 9ers but I have always respected what they accomplished, same with teams like Pitt. I have never been a fan of the skins but I do respect Joe Gibbs as a HC and what he brings to the table.

see, this is the problem, we're not doubting Gibbs the GM, just Gibbs the game-day manager once he came back to football, I'll give him that he can see talent and knows what coaches to hire to run his team on game-day

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So what was Mike Martz and Norv Turner's problem?

the fact that they are horrible managing on game-day

 

[Bob Sacamano]

stink fans, just give me a really, good explanation as to why Gibbs has let Greg WIlliams run his D, and is now bringing in Saunders to run his O, after bringing in Musgrave to implement the shotgun, cuz I aint buying the bit that it's because he's such a nice guy

it's like any job you do, if you can do it well, and you know you can, why sit back and let someone else do it?

 

[apickmans]

you improved the RT position, yippee!

I'm talking about adding catalyctic playmakers, you could make a case for Moss being more of a playmaker than Coles, but 1 player doesn't improve your O that dramatically, unless you're well...TO

Greatly improved our RT position. The year Jansen got hurt, we had 90839483 year old Ray Brown playing there for us. That same year Cory Raymer was our starting center and he was horrible! Thats why the very first free agent signing the following off season we signed a CENTER...casey rabach. And of course we signed some player you cowboys fans should be probably recognize......moss. You of all people should realize that having a good O line will help the offense a lot. The fact is, Jansen and Rabach did help our O that dramatically.

 

[apickmans]

stink fans, just give me a really, good explanation as to why Gibbs has let Greg WIlliams run his D, and is now bringing in Saunders to run his O, after bringing in Musgrave to implement the shotgun, cuz I aint buying the bit that it's because he's such a nice guy

Ill make this short since it seems like everyone is talkin to a brick wall here. Gibbs lets Greg Williams run his D because Greg Williams is one of the best Defensive Coordinators in the game. Simple as that. Our offense improved a lot last year and i think finished 11th in the league. Adding that we also made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs, i believe we brought in Saunders so he can bring our offense to the next level, thus reaching the super bowl.

"its like any job you do, if you can do it well, and you know you can, why sit back and let someone else do it?"

Joe Gibbs is the head coach. Do not forget that. He decides who we cut and how the practices are run. Just because he now has a true DC and a true OC, does not make him overrated. It boggles the mind to think you cowboy fans hate us so much you would say something as absurd that If Gibbs is so overrated, what does that make your Boy Parcells, who hasnt done anything since taking your team to the playoffs his first year? OK so maybe my answer wasnt so short.

 

[jackrussell]

OK, we're up to 24 coaches as 'over rated', and in that 24, 10 have Super Bowl Champions, 4 Super Bowl losers, countless playoff appearances and winning seasons.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

OK, we're up to 24 coaches as 'over rated', and in that 24, 10 have Super Bowl Champions, 4 Super Bowl losers, countless playoff appearances and winning seasons.

:laugh2:

Because we know any messageboard fan can do a better job then these guys

 

[superpunk]

:laugh2:

Because we know any messageboard fan can do a better job then these guys

Oh, so the thread title is "Which NFL Head coach could you do a better job than?"

How in the world did I miss that the first time?

 

[Gamebreaker]

Coles and Moss are about equal in talent, you traded a good receiver for another good receiver

There is a flaw in this statement. It is suggesting pure talent is what determines how good a reciever is. If you've watched even a little football, you'll know that talent is only part of what makes a good or great player. Especially at reciever.

Coles averages more than Moss in receptions and yards, but less in ypc and touchdowns. Suggest to me that Moss is a bigger playmaker. In the last 3 years, a higher percentage of Moss' catches have been for first downs than Coles.

If you compare Moss' best season (2005), to Coles' best season (2002). Moss had more 100 yard games, more touchdowns, more yards, the same amount of catches, and a higher ypc.

The only two things Coles has on Moss, is he averages more catches and slightly less dropped passes a season. Beyond that, nothing. So how exactly are they both equal? Furthermore, which one would you say is better than Terry Glenn? Just one? Both? None?

 

[Doomsday101]

see, this is the problem, we're not doubting Gibbs the GM, just Gibbs the game-day manager once he came back to football, I'll give him that he can see talent and knows what coaches to hire to run his team on game-day

Well that is your take Gibbs has the rings to prove he knows a lot about this game. Skins have not done jack after he left and are only now back into contention since he arrived. All these other coachs failed Gibbs hasn't.

 

[tyke1doe]

Did someone seriously say that Joe Gibbs is overrated?

 

[riggo]

summer-

coles ypc is about the same as cooley and todd heap. keyshawns- a possession WR if there ever was one- is actually better and they all had about the same catches last year.

moss averaged 17.7 YPC last year, which lead the league by almost 2 yards. steve smith averaged 15.2.

moss averages 8 TD's a year in 3 years as a starter, which is better than coles best year of 7 four years ago.


they arent even close.

 

[cml750]

I say the most overrated coach is our own Big Bill. I think his stubborness is a real problem. I also think he has screwed up our QB situation and missed a real good chance to get our young QB's some playing time in the last 2 years after we were eliminated from the payoffs. I do give him credit for building a good defense but his offensive line drafting just plain sucks. I for one hope this is his last year!

 

[riggo]

Did someone seriously say that Joe Gibbs is overrated?

thats because gibbs- who took a bad team from 6-10 his first year to 10-6 and a road win in the playoffs last year after beating the other 3 teams in the division down the stretch by an average of about 20 points and taking an offense ranked right at the bottom of the league to 11th, so he had to bring in saunders to take over..and, btw, has won 3 SB's and been to 4...oh, and is in the HOF- obviously was a failure.

 

[superpunk]

thats because gibbs- who took a bad team from 6-10 his first year to 10-6 and a road win in the playoffs last year after beating the other 3 teams in the division down the stretch by an average of about 20 points and taking an offense ranked right at the bottom of the league to 11th, so he had to bring in saunders to take over..and, btw, has won 3 SB's and been to 4...oh, and is in the HOF- obviously was a failure.

You don't read much, do you?

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

I say the most overrated coach is our own Big Bill. I think his stubborness is a real problem. I also think he has screwed up our QB situation and missed a real good chance to get our young QB's some playing time in the last 2 years after we were eliminated from the payoffs. I do give him credit for building a good defense but his offensive line drafting just plain sucks. I for one hope this is his last year!

I still can't see how you call a guy overrated who took a perrenial 5-11 team to the playoffs and now has the team geared up for a run at the big one

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and taking an offense ranked right at the bottom of the league to 11th, so he had to bring in saunders to take over..

after having to bring in Musgrave, and still the O wasn't at where Gibbs wanted it, evidenced by having the 2nd worst, inept performance in playoff history

and, btw, has won 3 SB's and been to 4...oh, and is in the HOF- obviously was a failure.

what does what Gibbs last did 12 years ago have to do with anything? we're talking about the GIbbs of now, the one who relegates the responsibilities to his coorindators

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So how exactly are they both equal?

I said equal in talent, both are small, fast receivers

Furthermore, which one would you say is better than Terry Glenn? Just one? Both? None?

I'd say Moss is on par with Glenn, and COles just a rung below the 2