Moving up the draft

[JPM]

JPM, why don't you just kick me in the balls instead.

I'm on the next flight out of LGA. Be there shortly with my steel toed boots.

BTW, I KNEW we should have traded up for Reggie Bush.

 

[Hostile]

I'm on the next flight out of LGA. Be there shortly with my steel toed boots.

BTW, I KNEW we should have traded up for Reggie Bush.

Dude, when you are right, you are right. There will be so many of those threads with no thought to reality.

 

[burmafrd]

Just how many backs come out each year and are then annointed as the next HOF player? Peterson is a very good back- but really, HOF like LT?

 

[montgod]

I wonder if the same posters who want to get rid of Julius are the same wanting to draft Adrian. chances are...yes.
But yes, we have this every year. At least we don't have any QB concerns to read all of those.

I agree. I think that they are the same people in regards to trading Julius and wanting AP.

The thing is AP isn't proven. At least you know what you have in Julius and know we can be successful now with JJ and MB. Why break what is already working when we are trying to get to the SB? Not necessary.

Continue to strengthen the weaknesses and then get ready to have a long playoff run. That's how you win. Not by trying to get every player that looks like they could be a superstar type player even though I seriously believe AP is grossly overrated.

Again, those who want to trade Julius and give up the whole draft to get AP are more so people just bored who want to see something happen instead of actually sitting down, taking a time out, and thinking about what would make the most sense to make the Boys a SB winning team.

Look at the Patriots again to understand how it's done. And for more current examples, look at Indy and their RBs. Hmmm....one vet and one rookie...sound familiar?

 

[Tricky-22]

If he had Tomlinson like skills I would be ultra motivated. He doesn't. Tomlinson is an outstanding receiver. Peterson has caught 24 career passes, now maybe he can develop as a receiver, but he's not in that class yet. Tomlinson is also dangerous as a passer. To my knowledge Peterson has never thrown one pass.

Just because someone is the best RB in a given draft doesn't mean they are in the same league as the guy who is the best in the NFL at a given time.

The price to move up from 22 to get him is too steep and given the fact we have 2 RBs on this team who are producing it is a foolish cost. The unholy need to get rid of Julius Jones is comical. No, he isn't the next Emmitt Smith. He also isn't the next Hambrick.

I simply wouldn't pay the cost to move up for him. I like the kid and always have. But the fact is we're picking at 22 and he ran a 4.38 time in the 40 and there are teams ahead of us that need a RB. They can trade up too. We're not the only team with options of trading up. This makes the price too high.

I probably should bookmark this so I can have it handy tomorrow when someone thinks we should trade up and get Peterson and explains how it is plausible. I don't believe it is plausible or possible at all. I think there's a greater chance we'll go undefeated in 2007 and I don't think that is plausible or possible either.

Nough said.....end of discussion!

 

[mmillman]

he had Tomlinson like skills I would be ultra motivated. He doesn't. Tomlinson is an outstanding receiver. Peterson has caught 24 career passes, now maybe he can develop as a receiver, but he's not in that class yet. Tomlinson is also dangerous as a passer. To my knowledge Peterson has never thrown one pass.

Just because someone is the best RB in a given draft doesn't mean they are in the same league as the guy who is the best in the NFL at a given time.

The price to move up from 22 to get him is too steep and given the fact we have 2 RBs on this team who are producing it is a foolish cost. The unholy need to get rid of Julius Jones is comical. No, he isn't the next Emmitt Smith. He also isn't the next Hambrick.

I simply wouldn't pay the cost to move up for him. I like the kid and always have. But the fact is we're picking at 22 and he ran a 4.38 time in the 40 and there are teams ahead of us that need a RB. They can trade up too. We're not the only team with options of trading up. This makes the price too high.

"I probably should bookmark this so I can have it handy tomorrow when someone thinks we should trade up and get Peterson and explains how it is plausible. I don't believe it is plausible or possible at all. I think there's a greater chance we'll go undefeated in 2007 and I don't think that is plausible or possible either."

of course it is possible. There is a price that would be accepted by teams in the top 5 for the right to draft Johnson or Peterson. It is a perceived value by both teams. I think the reward when you project the late round draft picks for a high blue-chipper is well worth it. Other teams with holes and that are not close to the playoffs need more bodies. Often a good rb or Wr is wasted on inferior teams because they cannot utilize the player. Oakland is a perfect example. Jerry Rice in his prime couldn't help that team as their OL and QB's are so bad. Johnson wouldn't help them much either until they get the other components put together so IMO it would be better for them to stockpile picks.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Just how many backs come out each year and are then annointed as the next HOF player? Peterson is a very good back- but really, HOF like LT?

The problem with this school of thought is that it's in retrospect. By that I mean that when LT first came out, he wasn't considered a HOF type player either. There were many who believed that Duece McCAllister might be the best back in the draft that year. Even after his first few season in the league, people were not saying he was a HOF type back. I think you have to look at it in context to the last few years and say, does Peterson grade out favorably with Steven Jackson taken 24th over all in 2004? Does he compare favorably with Ronnie Brown, Cedrick Benson or Carnell Williams taken 2nd, 4th and 5th overall in 2005? Does he compare favorably with Reggie Bush taken 2nd overall last year? If the answer to these questions is yes, then you have to say he's worth a top 10 pick. At this point in there respective careers, which of the players named above would you say are HOF players right now?

 

[YosemiteSam]

I don't see that as too steep for Peterson or Johnson. Dallas will be 22nd or worse next year and two of those types don't equate one franchise player.

There is a lot of risk involved in drafting Peterson. He has had injury problems. It doesn't matter how great a players is if he can't stay on the field. If I already had the pick I would think about drafting him, but I don't think I would trade up for him. He could easily turn into a Grant Hill type player.

 

[burmafrd]

I think it was pretty clear that MOST of the experts, scouts, etc had LT higher then Deuce.

 

[Angus]

mmillman! Coach Ditka, is that you?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think it was pretty clear that MOST of the experts, scouts, etc had LT higher then Deuce.

No, not really. For example, the Huddle Report had LT as the 6th rated player in the 2001 draft and Duece as the 7th. I mean, there were more then just a few who thought Duece might be a better long term.

In any event, I can't think of one who thought that he would be a HOF player. The question I ask, again, is do you think he grades out favorably with the backs taken in the last few drafts? If so, then you gotta say he's worth a top 10 pick. If not, then no, he isn't. Simple as that to me.

 

[burmafrd]

So you were unable to find one that had Deuce higher?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So you were unable to find one that had Deuce higher?

Don't be horses ***. I didn't look, other then at the Huddle, which by the way is a pretty accurate report historically. I don't care if you want to believe that Tomlinson was considered way higher or not, the point is that nobody considered him a HOF player coming out. Heck, if he were considered to be such, he probably would have been the first player taken. As it were, he was the 6th, which is not bad either. All I'm saying is that you have to grade Peterson out against recent backs and evaluate him as such. If he grades out, then he's worth a high pick. This is not complicated in my opinion. We will soon see how he grades out soon enough.

 

[jobberone]

I think astroturf and all other synthetic fields should be outlawed.

I think referees should be full time referees who spend the off season preparing for the season and traveling to training camps to teach coaching staffs and players.

I think the sissy pass interference rules need to be done away with. A simple touch foul should not equal 50 yards.

I think anyone who thinks a trade they can pull off in Madden 2007 is possible in the real world should be in a rubber room.

I think Nyquil should be on everyone's shelf.

I think revolving doors ought to illegal because they try and eat people.

:laugh1:

Hey do I get an assist on that play.

 

[Hostile]

:laugh1:

Hey do I get an assist on that play.

Of course. I even gave you the assist later in the thread a few posts.

 

[jobberone]

Of course. I even gave you the assist later in the thread a few posts.

You are too kind sir. I noticed that but couldn't help myself being greedy.

I'm still chuckling over that one.