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CowboyJeff;1361236 said:
If people are going to use "Parcells guys" as reason to bash Parcells, when their main purpose was to get this team back in a winning mindset and provide peadership, then you have to say the same thing about Jimmy with his Randy Shannons, Rod Carters, and Bernard Clarks of the world. Slice it however you want, Parcells got this team out of the 5-11 dark ages and now they are competitive again. The familiar guys Parcells brought to Dallas his 1st 2 years here were mainly to be role models and work with the younger guys.

i'm not gonna get into the hair splitting of this. just saying if parcells can bring in "familiar guys" and it's ok, then it's not the familiarity that's the issue but the guys he's familiar with.

that said i still don't want norv anywhere around here and i hope rivera has pictures of jones naked with various farm animals so he can get the job and norv can stay in SF where they seem to want him.
 

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CowboyJeff;1361025 said:
You think the Cowboys had good drafts from 1994-2002 under the Jones/Lacewell tandem?


Wow ..... I already answered that ..... let me quote myself 3 pages ago....

Of course not ..... but they were not focused on rebuilding the team ..... they were focused on getting Aikman and Emmitt help to try for one more bowl .....

It was a mistake to try to build a team around ageing stars ...... but its a mistake that is made over and over in this league (see marino, Farve, ect, ect)

Only time it ever worked was for John Elway ...... and that is what was driving Jerry to do it ....

did ya see it that time? ;)
 

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iceberg;1361259 said:
i'm not gonna get into the hair splitting of this. just saying if parcells can bring in "familiar guys" and it's ok, then it's not the familiarity that's the issue but the guys he's familiar with.

that said i still don't want norv anywhere around here and i hope rivera has pictures of jones naked with various farm animals so he can get the job and norv can stay in SF where they seem to want him.

Jimmy and Bill brought in familar guys to play and mentor the new players. Jerry brought in familiar guys to coach and make organizational decisions. That's a huge difference in what familiarity breeds. I have no problem with Jimmy's or Bill's familiar players. They were needed at the time they were brought in. I do have a problem with Jerry's familiarity of coaches and executives. Jerry's insistance on hiring and keeping familar people (Switzer, Campo, Lacewell, Norv) is troubling beyond belief.
 

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zrinkill;1361264 said:
It was a mistake to try to build a team around ageing stars ...... but its a mistake that is made over and over in this league (see marino, Farve, ect, ect)

Drafting QB Aaron Rodgers in the 1st round of the 2005 draft is trying to build around Brett Favre? hmmmmmmmm...got me on that one.

I think you're way off about how the Cowboys were drafting from 1994-2002. They were not trying to draft with the purpose of building a team around aging stars (Aikman, Emmitt, and Michael were not even 30 yet). The Cowboys were trying to draft for depth. They were looking for solid backups. That in itself is a recipe for disaster. If they were trying to build around Aikman, Emmitt and Michael, you would have seen lots of OL, WR and TE in the 1st round. We saw 1 TE in the first round and that was LeFleur. There were plenty of RB, WR, QB and players in every position the Cowboys missed on because Lacewell mostly wanted Jerry to draft for depth and not for starters. When they did draft for starters, the drafted by need and not best player available. It was just a doomed, dark period I hope it not repeated again.
 

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CowboyJeff;1361298 said:
Drafting QB Aaron Rodgers in the 1st round of the 2005 draft is trying to build around Brett Favre? hmmmmmmmm...got me on that one.

I think you're way off about how the Cowboys were drafting from 1994-2002. They were not trying to draft with the purpose of building a team around aging stars (Aikman, Emmitt, and Michael were not even 30 yet). The Cowboys were trying to draft for depth. They were looking for solid backups. That in itself is a recipe for disaster. If they were trying to build around Aikman, Emmitt and Michael, you would have seen lots of OL, WR and TE in the 1st round. We saw 1 TE in the first round and that was LeFleur. There were plenty of RB, WR, QB and players in every position the Cowboys missed on because Lacewell mostly wanted Jerry to draft for depth and not for starters. When they did draft for starters, the drafted by need and not best player available. It was just a doomed, dark period I hope it not repeated again.

So because they drafted a guy a year ago means that they have not been trying to build around Farve for the last 5 or 6 years?

And how am I way off ? My whole point was that they were still trying to win with the old guys .....

Galloway was not trying to build around Troy? Lafleur? Ellis and all the other pass rushers was not trying to replace Haley?

The who point of every offseason from 1996 till he retired was get a few pieces around Troy so he could get back to the bowl ..... how can you deny that?

When Troy retired is put our team in a tailspin ...... and we just got out of that last year with Romo.
 

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zrinkill;1361345 said:
So because they drafted a guy a year ago means that they have not been trying to build around Farve for the last 5 or 6 years?

And how am I way off ? My whole point was that they were still trying to win with the old guys .....

Galloway was not trying to build around Troy? Lafleur? Ellis and all the other pass rushers was not trying to replace Haley?

The who point of every offseason from 1996 till he retired was get a few pieces around Troy so he could get back to the bowl ..... how can you deny that?

When Troy retired is put our team in a tailspin ...... and we just got out of that last year with Romo.

Well, I guess if Troy, Michael and Emmitt were old guys in 1996, then Romo is an old guy in a couple of years....
 

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zrinkill;1361345 said:
...When Troy retired is put our team in a tailspin ...... and we just got out of that last year with Romo.

Troy's retirement was pure conincidence tot he tailspin. The Cowboys were in a tailspin when Troy was still playing. The Hiring of Larry Lacewell put the Cowboys in a tailspin. His ouster in 2003 got the Cowboys out of the tailspin. Get ready for another tailspin when Lacewell comes back...
 

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CowboyJeff;1361373 said:
Well, I guess if Troy, Michael and Emmitt were old guys in 1996, then Romo is an old guy in a couple of years....

I said from 96 on it was "lets get some guys around Troy" .....

When was Joey Galloway acquired ? 2000?

Was not Rocket Ishmail brought in to be the new "harper" alongside Mike the year before?

In 1995 Jay Novacek was injured and retired
In 1995 Eric Williams injured in Car wreck was never the same
In 1996 Charles Haley back problems retired
In 1998 Moose was injured and retired
In 1999 Mike was Injured and retired
In 2000 Joey Galloway was lost for the season
In 2000 Troy was Injured and retired

We lost at least one piece a year after that Superbowl ...... This is the reason we crumbled in the 90's ..... we kept trying to plug a leak ..... and the leaks kept coming.
 

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zrinkill;1361410 said:
I said from 96 on it was "lets get some guys around Troy" .....

When was Joey Galloway acquired ? 2000?

Was not Rocket Ishmail brought in to be the new "harper" alongside Mike the year before?

In 1995 Jay Novacek was injured and retired
In 1995 Eric Williams injured in Car wreck was never the same
In 1996 Charles Haley back problems retired
In 1998 Moose was injured and retired
In 1999 Mike was Injured and retired
In 2000 Joey Galloway was lost for the season
In 2000 Troy was Injured and retired

We lost at least one piece a year after that Superbowl ...... This is the reason we crumbled in the 90's ..... we kept trying to plug a leak ..... and the leaks kept coming.

The Patriots lose one piece a year as well, but they continue to be at the upper echelon of the NFL. Why is that?
 

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CowboyJeff;1361432 said:
The Patriots lose one piece a year as well, but they continue to be at the upper echelon of the NFL. Why is that?

Patriots hit the lottery finding a young Franchise QB with a team that was already good .....

The Patriots have been good how many years in a row?

2001 11-5
2002 9-7
2003 14-2
2004 14-2
2005 10-6
2006 12-4 3 Superbowl Victories

Cowboys were pretty good during there Superbowl run as well

1991 11-5
1992 13-3
1993 12-4
1994 12-4
1995 12-4
1996 10-6 3 Superbowl Victories


If all ya got to use is the Patriots as an example ...... get back to me in 10 years when it really shows what happens to a Dominate team over time.

;)
 

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zrinkill;1361576 said:
Patriots hit the lottery finding a young Franchise QB with a team that was already good .....

The Patriots have been good how many years in a row?

2001 11-5
2002 9-7
2003 14-2
2004 14-2
2005 10-6
2006 12-4 3 Superbowl Victories

Cowboys were pretty good during there Superbowl run as well

1991 11-5
1992 13-3
1993 12-4
1994 12-4
1995 12-4
1996 10-6 3 Superbowl Victories


If all ya got to use is the Patriots as an example ...... get back to me in 10 years when it really shows what happens to a Dominate team over time.

;)


Wow ...... I never noticed how alike those 2 teams are .....

70 wins in 6 years for both ...... yikes thats good.
 

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zrinkill;1361576 said:
Patriots hit the lottery finding a young Franchise QB with a team that was already good .....

The Patriots have been good how many years in a row?

2001 11-5
2002 9-7
2003 14-2
2004 14-2
2005 10-6
2006 12-4 3 Superbowl Victories

Cowboys were pretty good during there Superbowl run as well

1991 11-5
1992 13-3
1993 12-4
1994 12-4
1995 12-4
1996 10-6 3 Superbowl Victories


If all ya got to use is the Patriots as an example ...... get back to me in 10 years when it really shows what happens to a Dominate team over time.

;)

So, I guess the Patriots can begin drafting the Mike Ulufales and Dwayne Goodriches of the world since things will always be peachy there :D
 

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CowboyJeff;1361589 said:
So, I guess the Patriots can begin drafting the Mike Ulufales and Dwayne Goodriches of the world since things will always be peachy there :D

Thats the point ..... lets see what they do when Brady starts aging .....

Troy aged early because of his injuries ...... desperation snuck in to get one more Bowl .....

Its been 2 years since the Pats went to the big one ..... lets see if they do a nose dive like the boys did.
 

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zrinkill;1361594 said:
Thats the point ..... lets see what they do when Brady starts aging .....

Troy aged early because of his injuries ...... desperation snuck in to get one more Bowl .....

Its been 2 years since the Pats went to the big one ..... lets see if they do a nose dive like the boys did.

I think you're oversimplifying the aging of the QB, RB and WR too much. Unlike the Cowboys, The Patriots will never draft the Mike Ulufale types. They don't draft players to be backups. They draft players to be stars, and they do it in every round. Look at all the talent the Patriots have lost over the last few years. They regained all that talent back via the draft. The Cowboys tried to regain all their talent via free agency in spite of the draft. You can't do that in this salary cap world.

Oh, by the way, just like people say Parcells can't win without Belichick, notice the coincidence with the Patriots' 2 year absense from the Super Bowl??
 

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CowboyJeff;1361607 said:
Look at all the talent the Patriots have lost over the last few years. They regained all that talent back via the draft.

Really ??? Then why has it been 2 years since they went to the big one?

Lets see if they do better than the boys ...... so far they have not.

Both had 6 good years ....... lets see where they go from here
 

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Q: Can Jerry Jones be considered a good owner? I would say that going 10 years without a playoff win disqualifies any owner from at least the top 10.

TAYLOR: I understand your point, but I do think Jerry is one of the best owners in the NFL because he's willing to do whatever it takes to win. Do you think he liked hiring Bill Parcells and taking a back seat? A resounding no is the answer, but he knew that was the best thing he could do for this team. It didn't work out the way he wanted, but you can't fault Jerry for that. He spends money, he cares and he's passionate about the team. Trust me, not every owner falls into that category. Clearly, he has some flaws, but he's doing everything possible to win.

Hum......for you Mr. Jones negative folks .......take notice from an expert since alot of you bashed me for saying nearly the SAME thing!

However, I understand all of your points.........just disagree with them.
 

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CrazyCowboy;1354056 said:
ZONERS:

NO other owner LOVES his team as much as Mr. Jones does--period!

1st owner to win 3 Super Bowls in a 4 year span.

Pulled off the biggest trade in NFL history. Hershal for 3 Super Bowls basically.

He is the envy of ALL of his NFL peers because of his business mind.

I just don't understand how ANY TRUE Cowboy fan can say one NEGATIVE thing about Mr. JONES! :star: :mad:

Someone explain it to me please............





AMEN MY BROTHER......:bow:

AND WITH THAT SAID IM GOING TO SAY HE IS THE BEST OWNER IN ALL OF SPORTS.......

COWBOYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
 
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