Mr JERRY JONES--The greatest NFL owner of all-time!

[Alexander]

You know nothing about football.

Simply the best football message board catch phrase of all time.

 

[Alexander]

ZONERS:

NO other owner LOVES his team as much as Mr. Jones does--period!

1st owner to win 3 Super Bowls in a 4 year span.

Pulled off the biggest trade in NFL history. Hershal for 3 Super Bowls basically.

He is the envy of ALL of his NFL peers because of his business mind.

I just don't understand how ANY TRUE Cowboy fan can say one NEGATIVE thing about Mr. JONES!

Someone explain it to me please............

Nice post, thanks.

 

[zrinkill]

The decline of the team was caused by poor drafting.You need to go back and look at the drafts by Jerry from 1994-2002.You are the clueless one.You know nothing about football.

We drafted that way because we thought we needed only one or two more pieces to get Aikman back to the bowl ..... The Injuries to those key players we were relying on is what caused the 90's team downfall.

Now who is clueless junior?

 

[zrinkill]

That's been self-evident for some time.

......... I thought you had me on ignore Skins fan?

 

[sonnyboy]

Here's your original statement: I sometimes get the feeling that the Jones haters really just hate wealthy successful people.

Jones is a self made multi-millionaire. He had his salad days.
Don't hate the man because he was talented/lucky enough to make a fortune.

Yes...you are clueless for suggesting people hate Jones because he's wealthy and successful. That is the most ludicrous thing I've read on here...and that's saying alot.

And no, I haven't been sucked in by anything. I've seen for myself how Jerry and his ego refused to bring in a quality GM or HC's for years after Jimmy left and I saw firsthand how his horrible decisions greatly contributed to the decline of the team.

It didn't take the media to point that out.

Sorry..but you are way off base.

You're kidding right?
You really believe that there are no people who envy Jones' wealth.
You never catch that undertone from the biased media (especially print) who aren't happy with their not quite 6 figure salaries.

We could go back and forth forever on Jones and how good or bad he is/ has been for this franchise.

You could go on about the post Johnson era and give Jones more of the blame than he deserves.
I'll do the same for his first five years( three superbowls ) and give him more credit than he deserves.

But you still havent named a more successful owner these past 19 years.

You still can't name me an owner more qualifed to conduct a coaches interview.

 

[iceberg]

I would, but I doubt you'd understand.

i would pull out "understand" and put in "agree".

 

[VA Cowboy]

You're kidding right?
You really believe that there are no people who envy Jones' wealth.
You never catch that undertone from the biased media (especially print) who aren't happy with their not quite 6 figure salaries.

No...I'm not kidding. You are totally clueless if you think, like you said and inferred, that people hate Jones because he's wealthy and successful. If that were the case, then people would hate every owner of every professional team.

Maybe people have a problem with Jerry, not because he's wealthy, but because he and his ego helped ruin one of the greatest dynasty's of all-time. And not just ruined it, but took them to the basement of several years.

To insinuate that it has to do with his wealth instead of his horrible record as GM is rather clueless on your part.

But you still havent named a more successful owner these past 19 years.

You still can't name me an owner more qualifed to conduct a coaches interview.

I guess you haven't been paying attention. Go back and read the thread.

And besides, it has nothing to do with an owner, it has to do with the GM. I can give you two dozen GM's I'd rather have conducting coaches interviews. I can't help it if you can differentiate between the two roles.

 

[trickblue]

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[sonnyboy]

No...I'm not kidding. You are totally clueless if you think, like you said and inferred, that people hate Jones because he's wealthy and successful. If that were the case, then people would hate every owner of every professional team.

Maybe people have a problem with Jerry, not because he's wealthy, but because he and his ego helped ruin one of the greatest dynasty's of all-time. And not just ruined it, but took them to the basement of several years.

To insinuate that it has to do with his wealth instead of his horrible record as GM is rather clueless on your part.




I guess you haven't been paying attention. Go back and read the thread.

And besides, it has nothing to do with an owner, it has to do with the GM. I can give you two dozen GM's I'd rather have conducting coaches interviews. I can't help it if you can differentiate between the two roles.

He and his ego? You sound like one of these bitter haters that you're trying to convince me doesn't exist.

Took them to the basement? Do you forget where he found them?

This team has had some lean years under Jones, but it has never reached the depths of which he found it!

Here's the point on the Owner/GM thing I'm trying to make that you're not grasping.

AT SOME POINT IN TIME ALL OWNERS HAVE TO HIRE EITHER A GM WHO HANDLES EVERYTHING OR A COACH AND GM IF HE PLANS TO GIVE THEM EQUAL POWER.

My point is that MOST of these owners are not qualified to hire that GM/COACH.
They are not qualified to hire the guy who hires the guys.

The critical point is that because of his involvement, Jones is the most qualified owner in Pro Football to make those hires.

 

[CowboyJeff]

We drafted that way because we thought we needed only one or two more pieces to get Aikman back to the bowl ..... The Injuries to those key players we were relying on is what caused the 90's team downfall.

Now who is clueless junior?

So, you think Jerry & Lacewell's drafts from 1994-2002 were good???? :laugh2:

 

[zrinkill]

So, you think Jerry & Lacewell's drafts from 1994-2002 were good???? :laugh2:

Of course not ..... but they were not focused on rebiulding the team ..... they were focused on getting Aikman and Emmitt help to relive the glory days .....

It was a mistake to try to build a team around ageing stars ...... but its a mistake that is made over and over in this league (see marino, Farve, ect, ect)

Only time it ever worked was for John Elway ...... and that is what was driving Jerry to do it ....

 

[VA Cowboy]

He and his ego? You sound like one of these bitter haters that you're trying to convince me doesn't exist.

Took them to the basement? Do you forget where he found them?

This team has had some lean years under Jones, but it has never reached the depths of which he found it!

Here's the point on the Owner/GM thing I'm trying to make that you're not grasping.

AT SOME POINT IN TIME ALL OWNERS HAVE TO HIRE EITHER A GM WHO HANDLES EVERYTHING OR A COACH AND GM IF HE PLANS TO GIVE THEM EQUAL POWER.

My point is that MOST of these owners are not qualified to hire that GM/COACH.
They are not qualified to hire the guy who hires the guys.

The critical point is that because of his involvement, Jones is the most qualified owner in Pro Football to make those hires.

The team was in the basement when Jerry bought them. There's no mistaking the fact that during the first five years after he bought them that Jimmy was the primary acting GM even though Jerry actually held that title.

There's also no mistaking that once Jimmy left and Jerry assumed all the GM duties with the help from Larry Lacewell that the team went quickly from Super Bowl champions to three consecutive 5-11 seasons.

If you can't grasp that, then it's futile discussing it with you.

Plus, I don't see your point about most owners not being qualified to name a GM. It doesn't take an expert in the field to be able to consult with people in the business and find someone qualified.

That is much better than having an unqualified owner name himself GM.
And I think most people rational people realize Jerry was considerably more involved once Jimmy left than he was the first 5 years. And it was those drafts and personnel decisions at that point forward that greatly adversely affected the team resulting in those three 5-11 seasons.

So yeah, I'd take an owner that will try and hire the most qualified GM he can find and then open up his wallet and allow the experts the freedom to do their job. It's not asking much.

I really doubt Jerry would want someone to come into his oil business and observe for the better part of five years and then act like he knows it all and take the whole operation over.

 

[iceberg]

So, you think Jerry & Lacewell's drafts from 1994-2002 were good???? :laugh2:

why do people keep making this an "either/or" when it comes to jimmy and jerry? together THEY WERE PERHAPS UNBEATABLE.

except by their own mutual egos. jones for having an ego to begin with, and johnson for having an ego and letting a bar comment mean that much.

the dynasty we had in the 90s was incredible and we have to tarnish it by these stupid pointless feuds of who did more and who was *actually* responsible. this is the very same crap that tore up the duo to begin with.

jerry jones didn't single handidly build this dynasty.
jimmy johnson didn't single handidly build that dynasty.

jimmy johson and jerry jones did. for whatever part they played and however they played it - they played it damn well. TOGETHER. who was GM who was Owner, who was Coach and who was water boy - WHO CARES?

together is was some of the best football to ever grace the NFL and there's a chance regardless of who owns this team ever again we may *never see that type of glory again*.

so maybe all we can do is banter about for who's responsible for it when it simply doesn't matter fron *any singular viewpoint*.

together it was the best of the best and that's hard to live up to for either man. it's also just as much a crapshoot if they got together again as it would be if jimmy came back. it's the chemistry you have to have and each has to know their role and excel in it.

we had one of the best teams in all NFL time because it was a team. it gets so damn old looking for the *i* in that dynasty.

 

[zrinkill]

why do people keep making this an "either/or" when it comes to jimmy and jerry? together THEY WERE PERHAPS UNBEATABLE.

except by their own mutual egos. jones for having an ego to begin with, and johnson for having an ego and letting a bar comment mean that much.

the dynasty we had in the 90s was incredible and we have to tarnish it by these stupid pointless feuds of who did more and who was *actually* responsible. this is the very same crap that tore up the duo to begin with.

jerry jones didn't single handidly build this dynasty.
jimmy johnson didn't single handidly build that dynasty.

jimmy johson and jerry jones did. for whatever part they played and however they played it - they played it damn well. TOGETHER. who was GM who was Owner, who was Coach and who was water boy - WHO CARES?

together is was some of the best football to ever grace the NFL and there's a chance regardless of who owns this team ever again we may *never see that type of glory again*.

so maybe all we can do is banter about for who's responsible for it when it simply doesn't matter fron *any singular viewpoint*.

together it was the best of the best and that's hard to live up to for either man. it's also just as much a crapshoot if they got together again as it would be if jimmy came back. it's the chemistry you have to have and each has to know their role and excel in it.

we had one of the best teams in all NFL time because it was a team. it gets so damn old looking for the *i* in that dynasty.

 

[VA Cowboy]

jerry jones didn't single handidly build this dynasty.
jimmy johnson didn't single handidly build that dynasty.

.

I agree 100%.

I just don't buy that was was a mutual 50/50 proposition however.

 

[iceberg]

I agree 100%.

I just don't buy that was was a mutual 50/50 proposition however.

not many teams are.

but together their 100% is better than the rest. apart they may never find whatever it takes to hit that 100% again.

jimmy got to do what jimmy got to do because of an owner like jerry.

with another owner he didn't get close with a team HE HIMSELF SAID should have won the superbowl the year before.

so his bigger % wasn't enough, ALONE, was it?

that's all we're saying. you can hate jones all you want but he was a valid part of our most successful years regardless of what he should or shouldn't be doing as an owner.

 

[VA Cowboy]

not many teams are.

but together their 100% is better than the rest. apart they may never find whatever it takes to hit that 100% again.

jimmy got to do what jimmy got to do because of an owner like jerry.

with another owner he didn't get close with a team HE HIMSELF SAID should have won the superbowl the year before.

so his bigger % wasn't enough, ALONE, was it?

No, his % wasn't enough alone. But to say that the missing piece was Jerry is laughable. There were plenty of other factors involved with the Cowboys winning and the Dolphins not. For one we had the #1 pick in Jimmy's first year and were able to get Aikman right from the get-go. We already had Irvin from the year before and then got Emmitt in year 2. That's three playmaking future HOFers right from the start.
Couple that with the Walker trade and then Jimmy and the scouts parlaying them into a plethora of new starters and stars and it went from there.

In Miami he didn't have the young franchise caliber QB or RB. He didn't have the top notch scouting dept that he had in Dallas.

I don't think the Dallas championship run was all Jimmy. But I am for certain that the mastermind behind all the great drafts and trades and coaching wasn't Jerry.

that's all we're saying. you can hate jones all you want but he was a valid part of our most successful years regardless of what he should or shouldn't be doing as an owner.

Why does it have to be love or hate? I don't hate Jerry. In fact, I think he's a good guy and would probably be someone fun to watch a game with.

It all has to do with disliking the way he has run the team since the time of the split.

It's true the it really isn't relevant as far a history goes who gets what credit for the 90's Cowboys success. But the part that is relevant is when fans act like Jerry was the primary component in the building of those championship teams and therefore the way he's run things from the mid 90's til now is perfectly adequate since it worked in the first five years.

Jerry got much more involved once Jimmy left and hired questionable coaches, up until BP, and gave them less and less authority, and him along with his personnel man (Lacewell) screwed up draft after draft and botched trade after trade until we fell to three consecutive 5-11 seasons.

What happens from here on out is unknown, but what is known, is that the more Jerry is involved, the more we tend to sputter and the more he gives others power and control (during the Johnson and Parcells years) is the times we tend to have more success. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[zrinkill]

Rumor was that Jimmy wanted to Package Marino for alot of picks ..... His owner would not let him .....

Jerry would have .... ..... and would have helped him get the best deal ....

You could say that He would not have had as many picks as he did in Dallas ..... but that Miami team was already one of the Top teams in the division when he got there so there was not as much rebuilding needed.

50/50 ..... Jimmy and Jerry ..... Neither has been as good without the other.

No shame in that.

 

[CowboyJeff]

why do people keep making this an "either/or" when it comes to jimmy and jerry? together THEY WERE PERHAPS UNBEATABLE.

except by their own mutual egos. jones for having an ego to begin with, and johnson for having an ego and letting a bar comment mean that much.

the dynasty we had in the 90s was incredible and we have to tarnish it by these stupid pointless feuds of who did more and who was *actually* responsible. this is the very same crap that tore up the duo to begin with.

jerry jones didn't single handidly build this dynasty.
jimmy johnson didn't single handidly build that dynasty.

jimmy johson and jerry jones did. for whatever part they played and however they played it - they played it damn well. TOGETHER. who was GM who was Owner, who was Coach and who was water boy - WHO CARES?

together is was some of the best football to ever grace the NFL and there's a chance regardless of who owns this team ever again we may *never see that type of glory again*.

so maybe all we can do is banter about for who's responsible for it when it simply doesn't matter fron *any singular viewpoint*.

together it was the best of the best and that's hard to live up to for either man. it's also just as much a crapshoot if they got together again as it would be if jimmy came back. it's the chemistry you have to have and each has to know their role and excel in it.

we had one of the best teams in all NFL time because it was a team. it gets so damn old looking for the *i* in that dynasty.

nice skirt around of the question....

 

[zrinkill]

nice skirt around of the question....

How is that?