Mucking up the mocks

erod

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One of life's great unknowns is that, somehow, a handful of non-football blowhards have managed to carve a financial existence out of thin air by becoming "mock draft experts." I guess it beats the Cinnabon most of them worked at before.

They're almost never close to being right, even in the first round. And from the 2nd round on, their lists are great for catching canary crap before it hits the linoleum.

This year looks especially futile, although not by any fault of the mocksters. This draft seems impossible to predict because the draft order could become unrecognizable almost instantly.

The top four teams could very well trade out of their picks, setting off a domino effect that ripples through the first round and jumbles the players into an order not yet mocked up by anyone.

Tennessee already bugged out, and Cleveland is rumored to be un-enamored with any of the quarterbacks and intrigued by RG3 (yep, hard to believe). San Diego doesn't need Tunsil and could opt for more picks instead of Jalen Ramsey. If they trade out and Ramsey gets picked, Dallas will get serious offers for Tunsil, who seems like a bit of a luxury for the Cowboys. And on and on it goes.

Apparently Philadelphia is frothing at the mouth for Wentz, so if Goff goes first, the Eagles could offer a king's ransom to get to #2. If Dallas feels the same, it has more ammo with a higher pick to trade. The 49ers are in deep mourning after their new-old California counterparts beat them to the punch for Goff. (I think that's the pick because they wanted to one-up the 49ers.) But if they go Wentz, the Niners could go all-in for the #2.

And that doesn't even mention the annual "surprise" team lurking in the shadows. I don't ever remember a draft like this. Depending on who's picking, you could have entirely different top 10 players this year.

Unless the next Tom Brady, I hope Dallas trades out of this folly and racks up high draft picks. Maybe six picks in the top 132? That's how you rebuild a defense quickly.

Don't mock me.
 

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If it comes down to taking Ramsey at 4 or moving down, I vote for the latter.
 

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"carving a financial existence"... is a stretch. That makes it sound like their only yearly income is driven by their mock drafts. Surely you must know they derive, income other ways as well.
 

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Mock Mel and the like...we all do for various reasons but the truth is..>I would love to be making some of the money they make by covering football year around.

Most of us spend countless hours on this forum year around for free.

Mel and the like get paid to do it and some have parlayed that into a profession like Mel.

Just like weathermen...most of the time they are wrong but they still have a job.
 

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There are established writers that do mocks because, big reveal, people read them. A lot of those very same writers hate doing them.

The mistake a lot of fans make is viewing mocks as some kind of predictor of the future. They are about scenarios, ranking prospects, discussing team needs, etc.

Expecting Mocks to be spot on is like expecting an NCAA bracket to be spot on, that's not why people do brackets and it's not why people write/read mocks.
 

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I'm with you. Goff is the QB I would take at 4, think teams are over thinking with Wentz. Sorry he is not Andrew Luck Mr.Mayock.

I'm all for Bosa and would be ok with Ramsey, but ultimately a trade down might be the best option. If the Titans for example offered a couple of seconds or even better a 2017 first plus a second I would jump all over it.

And yes this draft is almost impossible to mock which makes it even more fun.
 

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Mock Mel and the like...we all do for various reasons but the truth is..>I would love to be making some of the money they make by covering football year around.

Most of us spend countless hours on this forum year around for free.

Mel and the like get paid to do it and some have parlayed that into a profession like Mel.

Just like weathermen...most of the time they are wrong but they still have a job.

Mels original claim to fame isn't mock drafts, he was just a draft analyst. Mock drafts just became a really accessible way to pull people in, but if some want to dump of these guys for something, dump on their prospect rankings/big board, not the mock drafts.
 

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There are established writers that do mocks because, big reveal, people read them. A lot of those very same writers hate doing them.

The mistake a lot of fans make is viewing mocks as some kind of predictor of the future. They are about scenarios, ranking prospects, discussing team needs, etc.

Expecting Mocks to be spot on is like expecting an NCAA bracket to be spot on, that's not why people do brackets and it's not why people write/read mocks.

Yeah, we know that. People also watch pro wrestling and the Kardashians, and spend $50 a week playing the Powerball.

Mock drafters are just palm readers with a bigger audience.
 

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Mels original claim to fame isn't mock drafts, he was just a draft analyst. Mock drafts just became a really accessible way to pull people in, but if some want to dump of these guys for something, dump on their prospect rankings/big board, not the mock drafts.

I don't care what his origins are or not.

We mock them but they don't mind because they are making money doing what we do for free...talk football year round.
 

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Apparently Philadelphia is frothing at the mouth for Wentz, so if Goff goes first, the Eagles could offer a king's ransom to get to #2.

Dallas absolutely can not let that happen.



They just spent 18 mill on Bradford and gave Chase Daniel a huge chunk of change too. I can't imagine they are also going to give up tons of picks for a QB.
 

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Dallas absolutely can not let that happen.



They just spent 18 mill on Bradford and gave Chase Daniel a huge chunk of change too. I can't imagine they are also going to give up tons of picks for a QB.

Bradford is essentially a one-year deal.
 

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If it comes down to taking Ramsey at 4 or moving down, I vote for the latter.

If it comes down to taking Ramsey at 4, I agree, move back, improve this defense from top to bottom with additional picks (get Hargreaves later in the first, for instance). But if it comes down to EE at 4 and you can't move back without losing him, I take EE.
 

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Dallas absolutely can not let that happen.

Why? If the Eagles want to bury themselves further by giving up multiple picks for this guy, who I think is going to be mediocre at best, have at it. Goff is the real prize here. Goff is a franchise QB, these other guys are just pretenders.
 

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Trading down is the best case scenario. We have many holes to fill
 

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Why? If the Eagles want to bury themselves further by giving up multiple picks for this guy, who I think is going to be mediocre at best, have at it. Goff is the real prize here. Goff is a franchise QB, these other guys are just pretenders.


If you believe that. I think Goff is another Sam Bradford and what may separate him from Bradford is not getting terrified under pressure.


I don't know how anyone could look at Wentz and say he is a pretender. He has all the traits you look for.

If he busts then great. But if he hits then it's bad for us.


Washington busted on Griffin and they recovered quick because they hit on Cousins.

If we can block Philly from getting a quality QB that would eventually help us then we should do it.



IMO, Wentz is one of the best prospects in years and with some seasoning and good coaching he will be a top 10 QB.
 

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Trading down is the best case scenario. We have many holes to fill

I agree.

However, what if Jones/Ramsey is the best pair of safeties in the NFL.

Ramsey projects to be very similar to Tyrann Matthieu.
 

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With the 1st pick in the 2016 NFL annual selection event....Mel Kiper says this is what should be done....:muttley:
 

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If you believe that.


I don't know how anyone could look at Wentz and say he is a pretender. He has all the traits you look for.

If he busts then great. But if he hits then it's bad for us.


Washington busted on Griffin and they recovered quick because they hit on Cousins.

If we can block Philly from getting a quality QB that would eventually help us then we should do it.



IMO, Wentz is one of the best prospects in years and with some seasoning and good coaching he will be a top 10 QB.

Wentz is a gangly mess with a bunch of so-called measurables -- height, weight, arm strength. But he is not accurate. He is not fluid. Goff is fluid, both throwing and running the ball. His accuracy is ridiculously good, he moves effortlessly, he throws effortlessly. Goff is the real deal, Wentz is just the next reminder that having height, weight and arm strength are but small dimensions of what makes a great QB.
 

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I m still not all that high on Ramsey, best athlete, probably. but with 3 career INT's in college...people hate on Mo and Carr for lack of INT's.....and no, we do not know if Ramsey will be better in the long run than either one of them.
So Ramsey gets a pass on lack of INT's. And are these the same people saying don't take Bosa because they just "feel" he won't get 10 plus sacks....

And people think they can put down the so called experts too....come on man....:laugh:
 
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