Murray - no win situation

Proximo said:
This is really what it boils down to. And anyone who thinks Murray would've duplicated last year's performance had we resigned him is fooling themselves.

I truly believe the Eagles and their fans will regret signing him.
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He's got a lot working against him. The heavy workload last season and changing teams/systems....not to mention that Ryan Matthews is a pretty good RB in his own right when healthy.
 
5Stars said:
So I get it that you are saying it is the coaches fault? The revamped oline has nothing to do with his production?

Well, I guess it's back to 8-8 or worse since Murray left to win that SB he went for. Carry on...
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It is not the players fault, do you think the player determines how many times he will get the ball? I think OL is a big help but in some of those season in 2011 and 2012 that OL was not great, heck fans were hollering how Dallas ignored the OL
I don't know how Dallas will fair this season but acting as if Murray was some by stander who did little is beyond stupid. You don't put up 1,800 yards rushing by being some JAG hell ES ran behind a great OL as well and never put up 1,800 yards. Murray is a damn good player, I hate we lost him but understand the Cowboys reasoning of not wanting to put up 8 mill a season but that does not change how much Murray did to help this team win last year.
 
Doomsday101 said:
It is not the players fault, do you think the player determines how many times he will get the ball? I think OL is a big help but in some of those season in 2011 and 2012 that OL was not great, heck fans were hollering how Dallas ignored the OL
I don't know how Dallas will fair this season but acting as if Murray was some by stander who did little is beyond stupid. You don't put up 1,800 yards rushing by being some JAG hell ES ran behind a great OL as well and never put up 1,800 yards. Murray is a damn good player, I hate we lost him but understand the Cowboys reasoning of not wanting to put up 8 mill a season but that does not change how much Murray did to help this team win last year.
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Well, not many are saying that Murray was a bum RB either. The thing about all this should be focused on the future and let the past go...the end. So, trying to understand you, it was the coaches fault, not the players or team. I can agree with that.
 
CowboysFaninDC said:
are we better with Hardy or would we be better with Murray? I am not diminishing the value of a good RB, but giving a big contract to an aging RB with injury history (all the way back to college) is a mistake. you only get so much money, so how will you invest to build a winner. Plus our biggest issue last year was defense and pass rush at that. in GB we didn't lose because of Murray. we lost because we couldn't rush a one legged QB who marched down the field and converted 3rd down after 3rd down. We beat Detroit, because our pass rush got to them at the end and we made a stop.

am I happy with our RB situation? no. do I think the cupboard is empty? no. do I think cowboys are done looking for a RB? no.

so this is not done yet. so until the season starts, don't assume the RBs we have on the roster is it.
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Well, some would argue that we did lose to GB because of Murray...he did have a pretty big fumble in that game that would have been a TD instead had he just hung on to the ball.
 
I will not miss his "worst possible times" fumbles and his lack of break away speed.

By November 2015, Murray will be on IR, and a forgotten player.
 
It was a tough position to be in for the Cowboys. He was going to ask for big money and got it. RB's wear down by 30 traditionally which would go into this contract. And he just came off 392 carries.

I just get the feeling that if we paid him $8 million a year he may play like a $4 million a year RB and we needed help on defense when we could possibly get a cheap RB that could play at the same level for far less.





YR
 
LandryFan said:
Well, some would argue that we did lose to GB because of Murray...he did have a pretty big fumble in that game that would have been a TD instead had he just hung on to the ball.
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Good post. Consider this:

If Murray had held on and scored in the Packer game, Murray would have been lauded as one of the best running backs ever by some fans. Some fans actually imply that distinction even after he fumbled based upon a few outstanding games during his first seasons in the league and his great season last year. Regardless of what could have happened and what did happened, Murray has not received much negative backlash for committing a crucial error during a pivotal game.

However IF Romo had thrown an interception...

IF Romo had fumbled and didn't recover the ball...

Romo would be getting crucified to this very day still. In reality, we read and hear more about what Romo didn't do than what Murray did. We read and hear how Romo didn't choose to throw to another receiver during a crucial play. We read and hear how Romo didn't convert a huge 4th down. We read and hear these things about what Romo didn't do despite the fact he threw a perfect pass with the game on the line. Romo did his job and people griped. Murray didn't do his and what has been general fan reaction? Kinda hard to determine through the haze of general indifference.

This is an example of what troubles me about football discussion--the inability to assign appropriate credit and blame. Certainly Peppers made a good play knocking the ball out of Murray's grasp. He did his job. Murray could have protected the ball better and held on. That was the job he failed to do. It cost the team a huge play during a huge drive that could have resulted in a huge gain or possibly a touchdown. Yet how much flack does he get for a huge fumble on a Cowboys forum like this?

I'll let others decide. That is when others aren't pining over Murray's leaving for the Eagles.
 
Doomsday101 said:
It is not the players fault, do you think the player determines how many times he will get the ball? I think OL is a big help but in some of those season in 2011 and 2012 that OL was not great, heck fans were hollering how Dallas ignored the OL
I don't know how Dallas will fair this season but acting as if Murray was some by stander who did little is beyond stupid. You don't put up 1,800 yards rushing by being some JAG hell ES ran behind a great OL as well and never put up 1,800 yards. Murray is a damn good player, I hate we lost him but understand the Cowboys reasoning of not wanting to put up 8 mill a season but that does not change how much Murray did to help this team win last year.
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I agree. My big problem is they didn't really replace him. I have no confidence in our current RB's. I hope they prove me wrong.
 
5Stars said:
Well, not many are saying that Murray was a bum RB either. The thing about all this should be focused on the future and let the past go...the end. So, trying to understand you, it was the coaches fault, not the players or team. I can agree with that.
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I am focused on the future, I'm hoping we can come up with a RB who can actually take advantage of having a quality OL and QB. The thread Murray is in a no win situation is ridicules, he is still a very good player and he got paid very well. I hate the eagles but fact is they have been a very competitive team, it is not like he went to the Jaguars. I hope Dallas sweeps the eagles but I have no ill feelings towards a man who was a big part of helping this Cowboys team out. I’m sure his former teammates like Tony Romo, Jason Witten and others feel pretty much the same. As much as I hate to say it this is a business and Murray did what was good for him and the Cowboys did what was good for them. No different with Dez, he is not getting involved with OTA with the team because it is not in his best interest to do so as of now.
 
PA Cowboy Fan said:
I agree. My big problem is they didn't really replace him. I have no confidence in our current RB's. I hope they prove me wrong.
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I agree this is my fear that we did not replace Murray with any player that has either proved themselves or was with great potential. I hope to be surprised and see someone step up and prove they can be the man at RB but just based on what all have done to this point it would be foolish to assume they will all of a sudden become top players.
 
LandryFan said:
Well, some would argue that we did lose to GB because of Murray...he did have a pretty big fumble in that game that would have been a TD instead had he just hung on to the ball.
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but we still had the lead, we still had the chance and at the end all we had to do is make one stop. we didn't.
 
CowboysFaninDC said:
but we still had the lead, we still had the chance and at the end all we had to do is make one stop. we didn't.
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I agree, After the Murray fumble GB could only get 3 points off of it. Next series Murray rushes for a TD to extend the Cowboys lead. No doubt any negative play is costly but Murray did not cause Dallas to lose.
 
DallasEast said:
Good post. Consider this:

If Murray had held on and scored in the Packer game, Murray would have been lauded as one of the best running backs ever by some fans. Some fans actually imply that distinction even after he fumbled based upon a few outstanding games during his first seasons in the league and his great season last year. Regardless of what could have happened and what did happened, Murray has not received much negative backlash for committing a crucial error during a pivotal game.

However IF Romo had thrown an interception...

IF Romo had fumbled and didn't recover the ball...

Romo would be getting crucified to this very day still. In reality, we read and hear more about what Romo didn't do than what Murray did. We read and hear how Romo didn't choose to throw to another receiver during a crucial play. We read and hear how Romo didn't convert a huge 4th down. We read and hear these things about what Romo didn't do despite the fact he threw a perfect pass with the game on the line. Romo did his job and people griped. Murray didn't do his and what has been general fan reaction? Kinda hard to determine through the haze of general indifference.

This is an example of what troubles me about football discussion--the inability to assign appropriate credit and blame. Certainly Peppers made a good play knocking the ball out of Murray's grasp. He did his job. Murray could have protected the ball better and held on. That was the job he failed to do. It cost the team a huge play during a huge drive that could have resulted in a huge gain or possibly a touchdown. Yet how much flack does he get for a huge fumble on a Cowboys forum like this?

I'll let others decide. That is when others aren't pining over Murray's leaving for the Eagles.
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You pretty much nailed it.
 
CowboysFaninDC said:
but we still had the lead, we still had the chance and at the end all we had to do is make one stop. we didn't.
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True, but some will still argue that we lost the GB game due to Murray. Had Murray scored instead of fumbled, we wouldn't have needed that "one stop" at the end. Murray wasn't singularly responsible for the loss, but neither was the defense or any other group on the team. It's a team game and everyone contributed.
 
It still sucks. Had Murray been maybe like a TO attitude wise it would make it easier. I just hope we don't rue this if he goes for 1,800 next year in Philly and our running game goes south.
 
Joe Realist said:
I was in the camp of not paying Murray the $$ and letting him go. I just wish he didn't go to the Eagles!

I think we will end up missing him this year. He would not have put up the same numbers, but his attitude (our own Beast mode) was something fantastic to watch. His ability to block and dish out pushing hits (see Richard Sherman) really set the tone for the offense. I know many of you will say, we have a great line and we do, but the runner also makes a difference.

He has been quoted as saying he feels stronger and faster thanks to the Eagles sports science program. I wonder how it works for ACL's ;)

Thoughts?
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Yeah Ware talked up how much better broncos training/fitness was... He still faded... Didn't do much for having Von miller in other side.


Yawn
 
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