Murray - no win situation

[DallasEast]

True, but some will still argue that we lost the GB game due to Murray. Had Murray scored instead of fumbled, we wouldn't have needed that "one stop" at the end. Murray wasn't singularly responsible for the loss, but neither was the defense or any other group on the team. It's a team game and everyone contributed.

^This.

I have said this for decades and I will say it again. Football is a simple game. It is a game of execution. Except for rare occasions, the team that executes best wins every time. Execution is about individual players performing their assigned jobs.

The Packers were able to overcome our lead because the offensive players executed their job assignments better than our defense executed theirs. Additionally, the Packers had less difficulty overcoming our lead because our offense did not build upon it due to equally poor execution (and remote refereeing nonsense). An example of poor offensive execution in the game was a lost fumble. A turnover. A lost fumble can deduct six points or -6 points from the scoreboard. An actual rushing touchdown adds positive six points or +6 on the scoreboard.

6 - 6 = 0. Good execution offsetting by poor execution sometimes equals zip for the team at the end of the game.

 

[LandryFan]

^This.

I have said this for decades and I will say it again. Football is a simple game. It is a game of execution. Except for rare occasions, the team that executes best wins every time. Execution is about individual players performing their assigned jobs.

The Packers were able to overcome our lead because the offensive players executed their job assignments better than our defense executed theirs. Additionally, the Packers had less difficulty overcoming our lead because our offense did not build upon it due to equally poor execution (and remote refereeing nonsense). An example of poor offensive execution in the game was a lost fumble. A turnover. A lost fumble can deduct six points or -6 points from the scoreboard. An actual rushing touchdown adds positive six points or +6 on the scoreboard.

6 - 6 = 0. Good execution offsetting by poor execution sometimes equals zip for the team at the end of the game.

Pretty good stuff there, Mr. East.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Pretty good stuff there, Mr. East.

Call him Bill..... Bill Parcells .... Lol

 

[BoysFan4ever]

^This.

I have said this for decades and I will say it again. Football is a simple game. It is a game of execution. Except for rare occasions, the team that executes best wins every time. Execution is about individual players performing their assigned jobs.

The Packers were able to overcome our lead because the offensive players executed their job assignments better than our defense executed theirs. Additionally, the Packers had less difficulty overcoming our lead because our offense did not build upon it due to equally poor execution (and remote refereeing nonsense). An example of poor offensive execution in the game was a lost fumble. A turnover. A lost fumble can deduct six points or -6 points from the scoreboard. An actual rushing touchdown adds positive six points or +6 on the scoreboard.

6 - 6 = 0. Good execution offsetting by poor execution sometimes equals zip for the team at the end of the game.

Coach Landry believed this too. In the A FOOTBALL LIFE of his he said this was the way to win

 

[DallasEast]

Call him Bill..... Bill Parcells .... Lol

Alright I agree to the name but only if I get to call you The Player.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Alright I agree to the name but only if I get to call you The Player.

Deal lol

 

[erod]

True, but some will still argue that we lost the GB game due to Murray. Had Murray scored instead of fumbled, we wouldn't have needed that "one stop" at the end. Murray wasn't singularly responsible for the loss, but neither was the defense or any other group on the team. It's a team game and everyone contributed.

It is a team game, and the team put itself in that position, blocked the perfect hole to go the distance, and Dallas would have been comfortably up on Green Bay, 21-7, at the half. Instead, the lead was only 14-10. That was 100 percent on Murray for carrying the ball way out from his body as always and making an unforgiveable, sloppy mistake. (Bailey missed a field goal, too, so it actually could have been 24-7.)

 

[big dog cowboy]

It is a team game, and the team put itself in that position, blocked the perfect hole to go the distance, and Dallas would have been comfortably up on Green Bay, 21-7, at the half. Instead, the lead was only 14-10. That was 100 percent on Murray for carrying the ball way out from his body as always and making an unforgiveable, sloppy mistake.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

True, but some will still argue that we lost the GB game due to Murray. Had Murray scored instead of fumbled, we wouldn't have needed that "one stop" at the end. Murray wasn't singularly responsible for the loss, but neither was the defense or any other group on the team. It's a team game and everyone contributed.

as doomsday said, that fumble led to three points and we scored a TD after that.... those are ebbs and flows of the game. I can go to any specific play in any point in the game and make the if/then/else case. so he scores a TD...could dallas stop them from scoring a TD? could dallas gone and scored another TD? could they have made two stops.

these are assumptions on the fans to make themselves feel good. I can't conclusively say if murray would have scored a TD on the fumble (or could he have been caught from behind as he is not really fleet of foot), that GB wouldn't change strategy? or Dallas? etc.

at the end, we made a stop against Detroit. and we didn't against GB. it always, almost comes down to the last few minutes of the game. GB went on to lose to Seattle, in a game they all but had wrapped up. in the end, they could have made a play and stop seattle and still win the game (the hard way).

 

[DallasEast]

+1

 

[LandryFan]

as doomsday said, that fumble led to three points and we scored a TD after that.... those are ebbs and flows of the game. I can go to any specific play in any point in the game and make the if/then/else case. so he scores a TD...could dallas stop them from scoring a TD? could dallas gone and scored another TD? could they have made two stops.

these are assumptions on the fans to make themselves feel good. I can't conclusively say if murray would have scored a TD on the fumble (or could he have been caught from behind as he is not really fleet of foot), that GB wouldn't change strategy? or Dallas? etc.

at the end, we made a stop against Detroit. and we didn't against GB. it always, almost comes down to the last few minutes of the game. GB went on to lose to Seattle, in a game they all but had wrapped up. in the end, they could have made a play and stop seattle and still win the game (the hard way).

No argument from me.

 

[viman96]

I was in the camp of not paying Murray the $$ and letting him go. I just wish he didn't go to the Eagles!

I think we will end up missing him this year. He would not have put up the same numbers, but his attitude (our own Beast mode) was something fantastic to watch. His ability to block and dish out pushing hits (see Richard Sherman) really set the tone for the offense. I know many of you will say, we have a great line and we do, but the runner also makes a difference.

He has been quoted as saying he feels stronger and faster thanks to the Eagles sports science program. I wonder how it works for ACL's

Thoughts?

My concern was not next year but year 2 or 3 of the extension. I did not want the team to be saddled with his contract a couple years down the road.

 

[Nightman]

I've said my piece

Now I hope he stinks and proves me wrong

 

[DandyDon52]

as doomsday said, that fumble led to three points and we scored a TD after that.... those are ebbs and flows of the game. I can go to any specific play in any point in the game and make the if/then/else case. so he scores a TD...could dallas stop them from scoring a TD? could dallas gone and scored another TD? could they have made two stops.

these are assumptions on the fans to make themselves feel good. I can't conclusively say if murray would have scored a TD on the fumble (or could he have been caught from behind as he is not really fleet of foot), that GB wouldn't change strategy? or Dallas? etc.

at the end, we made a stop against Detroit. and we didn't against GB. it always, almost comes down to the last few minutes of the game. GB went on to lose to Seattle, in a game they all but had wrapped up. in the end, they could have made a play and stop seattle and still win the game (the hard way).

exactly, also dallas did not score in the 4th qtr ! GB scored 6 and that was the difference in the game.
On the fumble, that was a great play by peppers, it happens and no way was that giong to be a td. there was a safety downfield, and another 2 guys who could have got murray after 10-15 yd gain.
It was a team loss. Even the coaches are to blame.
With a broken hand I think Randle should have got most of the carries, just use murray on 3rd and short.

 

[DFWJC]

exactly, also dallas did not score in the 4th qtr ! GB scored 6 and that was the difference in the game.
On the fumble, that was a great play by peppers, it happens and no way was that giong to be a td. there was a safety downfield, and another 2 guys who could have got murray after 10-15 yd gain.
It was a team loss. Even the coaches are to blame.
With a broken hand I think Randle should have got most of the carries, just use murray on 3rd and short.

Just some trivia here...
Dallas only had one full possession in the 4th qtr. Green Bay had two good drives. The one full drive Dallas had ended on the Dez play at the goal line.

 

[DandyDon52]

now abut murray in philly, I think he jumped too quickly when they made a great offer money wise, and he may wind up regretting it.
He will have to pay state income tax there which devalues what they offered .
Murray has a good work ethic and after working with witten in off season, he was much better in 2014.
He did good here for 1/2 mil a year, so now making 5 mil this year he will work hard to show he was worth the money.

Things are crazy in philly, letting mathis go was a mistake, should have given him a raise?
So I have no idea what Philly will be like this year. could be good or bad , but on surface it does not look good.

I think murray should have stayed here for less money, but it is done deal now.
No matter what he said, he went for the money, now he has that, but that might be all he has.

 

[DandyDon52]

Just some trivia here...
Dallas only had one full possession in the 4th qtr. Green Bay had two good drives. The one full drive Dallas had ended on the Dez play at the goal line.

your right, they did have a failed drive that started in 3rd and went into the 4th though.
here is whole game

1ST HALF
DAL
1.PUNT
2.TD
3.TD AFTER FUMBLE RECOVERED
4.PUNT
5.FG BLOCKED GB 32 REC @ GB 40

GB
1.TD
2.FUMBLE @ DAL 36
3.PUNT
4.FG

GB got ball at thier 40 and with help of cobb no catch got in fg range
only 29 seconds left when they got the ball.
had the FG been good, it wuld mean 6 point swing in dallas favor.
17-7 instead of 14-10
Bailey was slow on the kick which allowed the block.


2ND 1/2
GB
1.PUNT
2.FG
3.TD
4.TD
5.RUN OUT CLOCK

DAL
1.FUMBLE led to fg for GB
2.TD
3.PUNT
4.4TH DOWN PLAY FAILS

both teams had a fumble, and dallas came out ahead on that getting a TD off the GB fumble, and GB only got a FG off murrays fumble.
Also the blocked FG was huge and cost the cowboys 6 points.
Also Dallas had 4 possessions in 2nd half, and only score on one, GB had 5 and scored on 3 of them, and looked like they culd have scored on the 5th , so 3-1 scoring in favor of GB

In first half both scored on 2 possessions, and dallas had 5 to GB 4.
Dallas punted 3 times to GB 2 which also says GB offense did better than dallas offense.
Romo was sacked in key situations and that really hurt.

see all plays summary here
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20150...#menu=gameinfo&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I'm sick of hearing his freaking name in post after post after post! Good god man, you would think Murray invented the running back position!

Murray who?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

He has been quoted as saying he feels stronger and faster thanks to the Eagles sports science program. I wonder how it works for ACL's

Thoughts?

Wasnt D Ware all excited and feeling better than he felt in years with the miracle program in Denver? How did that work out for him over all 16 games?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Wasnt D Ware all excited and feeling better than he felt in years with the miracle program in Denver? How did that work out for him over all 16 games?

You can't change history. There isn't a science program or miracle program that can.