Murray offered 4yr/16mi

[Zimmy Lives]

The Cowboys have options. They do not have to rely solely upon Murray. We already know the Vikings are going to let Peterson go, and we also already know he wants to come here. If the Cowboys can get him for the same price range they are offering Murray they might let him go test Free Agency and the bigger contract.

I like Murray, especially given how he is playing now. Makes me giggle when I think of the people who were against us when we drafted him. I just feel RB is the easiest position to find a replacement for. Sometimes not as good, sometimes, better. I would prefer it be him, and I wouldn't be at all shocked if we franchised him so he can't leave. I've already heard rumors of a college RB that we like a lot.

The Cowboys do not need to break the bank. I don't blame Murray for rejecting the offer and wanting more, but if he wants too much, I'd either use the Franchise Tag or let him go, gain a compensatory pick for him, sign Peterson to a short term deal, and draft the kid we supposedly like.

Agree with everything in this post!

 

[gdogg24]

Regardless on if he's doing his job, not doing his job, the Cowboys aren't going to devote 5 spots on a 53 man roster to 4 RB's and 1 FB.

Oh no yeah I agree but my point is FB isn't a worthless position as far as I'm concerned if we don't hear anything from him that probably means he's not making mistakes. Also the guy he lead blocks for is leading the league in rushing I'm sure he's playing a part in that.

 

[gdogg24]

The Cowboys have options. They do not have to rely solely upon Murray. We already know the Vikings are going to let Peterson go, and we also already know he wants to come here. If the Cowboys can get him for the same price range they are offering Murray they might let him go test Free Agency and the bigger contract.

I like Murray, especially given how he is playing now. Makes me giggle when I think of the people who were against us when we drafted him. I just feel RB is the easiest position to find a replacement for. Sometimes not as good, sometimes, better. I would prefer it be him, and I wouldn't be at all shocked if we franchised him so he can't leave. I've already heard rumors of a college RB that we like a lot.

The Cowboys do not need to break the bank. I don't blame Murray for rejecting the offer and wanting more, but if he wants too much, I'd either use the Franchise Tag or let him go, gain a compensatory pick for him, sign Peterson to a short term deal, and draft the kid we supposedly like.

Running backs are easy to find, Elite running backs aren't. We could maybe replicate Murray's production with a combination of Randle, Dunbar and Williams but that would still be downgrading the position. There's a difference when you have running back by committee and when you have that one elite guy. All I know is there's not many of those guys around and even fewer that are right in the prime of their careers and after seeing running back by committee around here for a few seasons I prefer it to go this way.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Running backs are easy to find, Elite running backs aren't. We could maybe replicate Murray's production with a combination of Randle, Dunbar and Williams but that would still be downgrading the position. There's a difference when you have running back by committee and when you have that one elite guy. All I know is there's not many of those guys around and even fewer that are right in the prime of their careers and after seeing running back by committee around here for a few seasons I prefer it to go this way.

You missed an integral aspect of the post: There are some high-quality college backs Dallas may be interested in as plan B.

Also, Murray is having a great season so far but let's not put him in the elite category just yet.

Finally, durability is a characteristic of a true elite RB. Let's see how Murray holds up before Jerry showers him with cash.

 

[gdogg24]

You missed an integral aspect of the post: There are some high-quality college backs Dallas may be interested in as plan B.

Also, Murray is having a great season so far but let's not put him in the elite category just yet.

Finally, durability is a characteristic of a true elite RB. Let's see how Murray holds up before Jerry showers him with cash.

I agree, I think it'll be a much better situation for negotiation later in the season, but as far as spending a draft pick trying to replace Murray and probably still ending up going running back by committee I'd rather have that position solidified with Murray for the next four seasons and spend some picks strengthening this defense or hell maybe another O-lineman.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I agree, I think it'll be a much better situation for negotiation later in the season, but as far as spending a draft pick trying to replace Murray and probably still ending up going running back by committee I'd rather have that position solidified with Murray for the next four seasons and spend some picks strengthening this defense or hell maybe another O-lineman.

Totally agree. I want Murray if at all possible.

 

[gdogg24]

Totally agree. I want Murray if at all possible.

I don't think it should be a problem I'm pretty sure the Cowboys could clear about 50mil in cap space by just doing a couple of moves.

 

[conner01]

Terrible offer, Jerry (and some people here) need to realize that he's one of the best backs in football I wouldn't offer him anything lower that 4yr 28 mil you don't get one of the best RBs in the league on your team for 4yr 16 mil and I hope Jerry doesn't get talked into this thing of "any RB can do what he's doing"

you really think if he became a fre agent he would get that much more than any rb got last year. 4 mil a year is in the ball park of where we need to be. 7 mil a year is silly and he may be the top rusher in the league now but lets see if he's the top rusher behind another oline next year. betting having a third of your yards before contact makes a difference in his numbers

 

[Craig]

Good starting point. A good ending point would be 4 years and $18 mil. If thats not enough let him go.

 

[romothesavior]

To all of you saying this is bush league, he deserves better, pay the man, etc....

Pay him what? Where do you set the bar? Are we going to give an injury-prone RB a 5+ year deal? Would you offer him 7, 8, 9 million a year with most of it guaranteed? And most importantly who are we letting walk from the team thanks to that sizeable chunk in guaranteed money?

Let's hear some tangible numbers from you guys.

 

[Frozen700]

Simply not true but keep on believing!

Oh, I will.

 

[gdogg24]

you really think if he became a fre agent he would get that much more than any rb got last year. 4 mil a year is in the ball park of where we need to be. 7 mil a year is silly and he may be the top rusher in the league now but lets see if he's the top rusher behind another oline next year. betting having a third of your yards before contact makes a difference in his numbers

If he continues on this pace, someone that needs a back will offer him that. He was a 1000 yard back without this o-line I'd bet he still does that even if he has to go back to playing with a line lesser than the one the Cowboys. The Ravens are gonna want to replace Ray Rice next season I wouldn't be surprised if they went after him with a contract like that if the Cowboys are dead set on low balling Murray.

 

[gdogg24]

To all of you saying this is bush league, he deserves better, pay the man, etc....

Pay him what? Where do you set the bar? Are we going to give an injury-prone RB a 5+ year deal? Would you offer him 7, 8, 9 million a year with most of it guaranteed? And most importantly who are we letting walk from the team thanks to that sizeable chunk in guaranteed money?

Let's hear some tangible numbers from you guys.

I said four year 6 to 7 Mill plus incentives

Restructure 15 Million of Romo's 17million into a restructure bonus
Resturcture 10 million of Tyron Smith's salary in a restructure bonus
Don't pick up the $25Mill option on Henry Meltion's contract
Make Brandon Carr a June 1st cut

That's 50million freed up in cap space.

 

[jterrell]

Norm (1310 The Ticket) listed ~10 star RBs that had careers similar to Murrays. Being that they were 26 when they became the focal point of their team's offense. They became workhorse RBs at 26, and by 30 every single one was just a shadow of themselves or out of the league all together. Age 26 was their best year, and every year there after their production declined rapidly until they were washed up by 30. So, history shows you don't pay this guy franchise money, unless they want to do it for 1 year. He'll be effective for another year, but after that let him walk.

Edit: Anyone that believes we should give Murray a big money multi-year deal should listen to Norm's podcast. It'll change your mind. Click on the podcast entitled "Norm - Murray's Workload."

Link: http://www.theticket.com/page.php?page_id=87

this is so common and well known it doesn't even need mentioning.
people are now literally arguing about what murray did one time or for 5 games this season and ignoring his career which tells you all you need to know.

basing things on one good year or a couple explosive games is how we overpaid miles austin.

you look at a guy's career for what he is and you never project health onto a guy who has struggled to stay healthy.

i'd love it if murray turns out to be an outlier who can hit 1500 yards every year til he's 31 but no one is paying for that unlikelihood except knuckleheads here on this board.
it is likely 5 years from now the current OU RB perine has more yards rushing than murray.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Based on what other backs have gotten the last couple years that's not a ridiculous offer.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. While it may be comparable money to what other RBs have gotten, I don't think Murray is comparable to the free agent RBs. Toby Gerhardt and Ben Tate were back up RBs, Reggie Bush had the same injury problems and assuming Murray stays healthy for 14 or so games, never had a season like Murray is having now. Knowshon Moreno had more injury issues and less production and Chris Johnson has been in a steady decline for several seasons.

Obviously Murray doesn't have the track record of an Adrian Peterson, Matt Forte, Shady McCoy, Jamal Charles or Frank Gore, but $4 million a year is a joke offer.

I don't even want to resign him, because I think this year will take a toll on him, but I'd be willing to bet anyone, just about anything that barring a major injury, Murray will make more than $4 million a year, next season.

 

[DFWJC]

What if it's all guaranteed money? Would that be a better offer?

Much better...especially for A RB who has never had more that mid 200s in carries in a season before breaking down. Guarantees would be huge.

All people have to do is look at the history of RBs . There are exceptions, but usually in a year or two the decline is severe.

 

[Eddie]

Guys, it's a reasonable salary for a RB. Murray's benefiting from the tremendous play of our OL. Who wants to bet that next year, when Murray's on a different team, that his stats are no where close to what he's doing now???

There are good RB's all over the place. Heck, SD just uncovered an URFA from the University of Buffalo.

 

[jterrell]

If you look at the list of RB sorted by highest contract to lowest feel free to work your way down that list.
Ignore Murray altogether and simply ask yourself which guy you'd want on the contract he has signed.

http://overthecap.com/position/running-back/

for me the first guy I'd want ti CJ Spiller at 5 years and 25.x M.
There are some really good RB above that line but none are near values and the majority are declining rapidly from prior huge seasons.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If you look at the list of RB sorted by highest contract to lowest feel free to work your way down that list.
Ignore Murray altogether and simply ask yourself which guy you'd want on the contract he has signed.

http://overthecap.com/position/running-back/

for me the first guy I'd want ti CJ Spiller at 5 years and 25.x M.
There are some really good RB above that line but none are near values and the majority are declining rapidly from prior huge seasons.

Yep. And even Spiller is causing a lot of gripes up in Buffalo. He hasn't broken a TD run of longer than 15 yards in many games. Most seem to prefer Jackson, in that he's more consistent.

 

[jterrell]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. While it may be comparable money to what other RBs have gotten, I don't think Murray is comparable to the free agent RBs. Toby Gerhardt and Ben Tate were back up RBs, Reggie Bush had the same injury problems and assuming Murray stays healthy for 14 or so games, never had a season like Murray is having now. Knowshon Moreno had more injury issues and less production and Chris Johnson has been in a steady decline for several seasons.

Obviously Murray doesn't have the track record of an Adrian Peterson, Matt Forte, Shady McCoy, Jamal Charles or Frank Gore, but $4 million a year is a joke offer.

I don't even want to resign him, because I think this year will take a toll on him, but I'd be willing to bet anyone, just about anything that barring a major injury, Murray will make more than $4 million a year, next season.

That take seems fair.
But Dallas isn't in a bidding war at this point.

5 weeks ago Murray wasn't seen as some RB messiah.
You don't ignore 3 years of history to pay based upon 5 games into a career year.
And you don't bid yourself up.
Murray is VERY VERY unlikely to get better over the next 12 games so you are literally paying him for peak performance.
He is doing not only what he's never done before, he is doing what only OJ and Jim Brown have done before.
So it is by far beyond what anyone can expect to continue.

Murray has every right to turn down 4y/16m but DAL would be insane to offer 30M+ at this point.
If I am Murray's agent I am countering with 5y/25M and saying that is firm or we play out the year.
And I'd angle for 10m of that guaranteed.