Murray offered 4yr/16mi

[Nirvana]

Murray's game checks are about a 100 grand this season. I bet the signing bonus as part of this offer gave him pause.

 

[SuspectCorner]

Ground floor...

 

[jterrell]

Exactly right.

It's a far cry from the 7 year $45 mil that MB3 signed for.

Even if Murray signs for 4 years at $20 mil, that's still not close to what Barber got.

Barber actually only got 16m guaranteed and only saw 3 of the 7 years of that deal.
He probably didn't even walk away with 20m(beyond his previous contract).

I thought they'd offer 5M per year but this does make sense.
Murray's never been healthy and RB pay is dropping yearly.
The highest paid RB is going to be available in Free Agency next year as his contract gets torn up.

Almost no team wants a highly paid RB.

 

[jterrell]

Murray's game checks are about a 100 grand this season. I bet the signing bonus as part of this offer gave him pause.

Yea, if that bonus is 7M or more you can bet that money is hard to laugh off.

 

[TheFinisher]

He's having an MVP caliber campaign. Frankly, he deserves better than that.

If it's the OL how has he averaged over 5 ypc for his career going INTO this season? He's always been a stud, we just never committed to feeding him. Now that we are we're off to our best start in the last 20 years, and we throw a bush league contract offer at him in the middle of the season?

If I were Murray I'd maybe catch a sore hammy before Seattle and let Randle/Dunbar humble this FO and fan base.

 

[gdogg24]

He's having an MVP caliber campaign. Frankly, he deserves better than that.

If it's the OL how has he averaged over 5 ypc for his career going INTO this season? He's always been a stud, we just never committed to feeding him. Now that we are we're off to our best start in the last 20 years, and we throw a bush league contract offer at him in the middle of the season?

If I were Murray I'd maybe catch a sore hammy before Seattle and let Randle/Dunbar humble this FO and fan base.

Seems like that's about the only way people would see how good this guy is... although against Seattle people would probably say Murray would have been shut down too.

 

[BAT]

Was he not with us the last 3 years? Why didn't he "single-handedly bring us to the playoffs" any of those seasons then?

Not saying he's not having a great start to the season, but honestly no person single handedly has improved this team versus where it was last year. If we had the same defense as last year we probably not be 4-1, if we had the same O-line we would probably not be 4-1. The best thing about football is that it is the quintessential team game. Always was, always will be.

Cowboys have been a pass happy offense since Garrett took over as HC. Where have you been? Murray actually averaged over 5 yds/carry prior to this season. Do you remember his franchise record breaking game the first time he received 20 carries? The Rams still do. Again, he has the single game rushing yardage record for a franchise that counts among their RB greats Emmitt Smith, Herschel Walker, Tony Dorsett and Don Perkins. Murray stands with only Jim Brown and Eric Dickerson after 5 weeks. Murray is now on pace to break the single season yardage record in the history of NFL. What Murray has done and is poised to do is practically unheard of, but Cowboy fans continue to underappreciate even undermine this man's achievements, while the entire league, the entire country is saluting his efforts.

Still boggles my mind how incredibly ungrateful and ignorant our fan base has become.

 

[TheFinisher]

Seems like that's about the only way people would see how good this guy is... although against Seattle people would probably say Murray would have been shut down too.

The same guy who set the franchise rushing record in his first game as a pro, and set the league on fire as a rookie... Behind what was considered the worst OL we may have ever fielded.

And he's only good now because our OL!!!

But that's none of my business...

 

[jterrell]

He's having an MVP caliber campaign. Frankly, he deserves better than that.

If it's the OL how has he averaged over 5 ypc for his career going INTO this season? He's always been a stud, we just never committed to feeding him. Now that we are we're off to our best start in the last 20 years, and we throw a bush league contract offer at him in the middle of the season?

If I were Murray I'd maybe catch a sore hammy before Seattle and let Randle/Dunbar humble this FO and fan base.

He has waged an NFL MVP caliber campaign for 5 weeks.
You don't reward him as if that is the norm unless you are stupid.
On average he's missed 4 games every year of his career.
Part of why they've never handed him the ball a lot is his injury history.

I have no problem with Murray betting on himself and playing this season out.
But if the Cowboys had offered him some 35m deal to sign now I'd have thought they were flat foolish.
I can see that deal moving up to 5 years for 25m or something of that nature but beyond that you are probably regretting the deal as soon as you sign it.

 

[gdogg24]

The same guy who set the franchise rushing record in his first game as a pro, and set the league on fire as a rookie... Behind what was considered the worst OL we may have ever fielded.

And he's only good now because our OL!!!

But that's none of my business...

He took his first carry that game like 90 yards! And yes the O-line was no where near what it is now, I don't know how people don't get the difference between Murray and the guys we've had around here before him. It took seeing Murray for me to realize that if we have three guys that can carry the ball for this team we have a bunch of JAGs. None of the guys we had before him could handle the load we're putting on Murray now it's a ridiculous pace.

 

[Galian Beast]

He's having an MVP caliber campaign. Frankly, he deserves better than that.

If it's the OL how has he averaged over 5 ypc for his career going INTO this season? He's always been a stud, we just never committed to feeding him. Now that we are we're off to our best start in the last 20 years, and we throw a bush league contract offer at him in the middle of the season?

If I were Murray I'd maybe catch a sore hammy before Seattle and let Randle/Dunbar humble this FO and fan base.

Sounds like a great way to get wally pipped.

 

[gdogg24]

Sounds like a great way to get wally pipped.

yeah I'm sure both those guys would both go for 200 yards in their debuts, cause you know that always happens.

 

[TheFinisher]

yeah I'm sure both those guys would both go for 200 yards in their debuts, cause you know that always happens.

Amazing to me how we FINALLY have a formula that WINS and people want to run the dude who's responsible for most of it out of town because "we don't pay RBs around here, they're a dime a dozen".

Remember how easy it was to replace Emmitt?!! What? Oh, uh....

 

[Zman5]

If the OLine is the only reason for his success , how the hell does he have a 5+ yards per carry career average? This with Costa, Nagy, Kowalski, Livings blocking for him.

Look up the Oline he ran behind when he broke the Cowboys single game rushing record.

If he is so easily replaceable with likes of Randle or Dunbar, why did they give Murray 30 carries against Houston?

I don't want to break the bank for this guy but some of the comments on this thread about his ability is pure comedy.

 

[Galian Beast]

yeah I'm sure both those guys would both go for 200 yards in their debuts, cause you know that always happens.

Save your hyperbole, we don't need them to run for 200 yards.

 

[gdogg24]

Save your hyperbole, we don't need them to run for 200 yards.

There's a major difference when you have a guy taking handoffs that can do that,

 

[gdogg24]

If the OLine is the only reason for his success , how the hell does he have a 5+ yards per carry career average? This with Costa, Nagy, Kowalski, Livings blocking for him.

Look up the Oline he ran behind when he broke the Cowboys single game rushing record.

If he is so easily replaceable with likes of Randle or Dunbar, why did they give Murray 30 carries against Houston?

I don't want to break the bank for this guy but some of the comments on this thread about his ability is pure comedy.

Look like at least the coaching staff knows who needs the ball in his hands for this team to win.

 

[marchetta]

Norm (1310 The Ticket) listed ~10 star RBs that had careers similar to Murrays. Being that they were 26 when they became the focal point of their team's offense. They became workhorse RBs at 26, and by 30 every single one was just a shadow of themselves or out of the league all together. Age 26 was their best year, and every year there after their production declined rapidly until they were washed up by 30. So, history shows you don't pay this guy franchise money, unless they want to do it for 1 year. He'll be effective for another year, but after that let him walk.

Edit: Anyone that believes we should give Murray a big money multi-year deal should listen to Norm's podcast. It'll change your mind. Click on the podcast entitled "Norm - Murray's Workload."

Link: http://www.theticket.com/page.php?page_id=87

 

[Galian Beast]

There's a major difference when you have a guy taking handoffs that can do that,

Shanahan has taught us that the offensive line is more important than the running back. RBC, we could probably simulate Murray's production pretty easily.

 

[Nightman]

I think people are confusing things with running backs nowadays, there's a bunch of running backs that are pedestrian players and are not worth locking into a second contract, but in this day and age there's a VERY small number of backs that are franchise players these guys are the ones you don't let go cause with how scarce these guys are, chances are you're not going to find another one any time soon and you're going to be left screwing around carries between 3 different guys just like we have been the last several years. There is a very big difference when you have a true franchise player at RB and when you have running back by committee.

The market is the market though. Why do you think MINN and BAL were so quick to suspend and cut Peterson and Rice? They represented the old scale and are overpriced. The NFL is paying QBs, WRs, LTs and some CBs. Nobody really wanted to pay Revis big bucks and DEs are getting less. RB is one position that has completely bottomed out. FAs are getting 3-4m a year and the first RB drafted isn't until the 2nd or 3rd round.

Murray is a true 3 down back and can be a work horse, but teams are not paying for RBs period. Especially one with injury and fumbling questions. If Dallas offers 4-5m a year, he should jump on it, especially with this OL.