Murray will be too expensive to keep

[Galian Beast]

I think the pay of the top 10 actual performers is more telling than what the top 10 salaries are.
Many of those top salaries are clearly mistakes.

Having said that, there are 32 teams, so we can be almost sure someone is going to pay a high performing back (even if they shouldn't or if the performance was only for one year) when given the chance.

In the end, barring another injury, he is going to get paid a lot by someone.

Give me a list of your top 10 performing running backs (not including people on their rookie contracts).

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

He had over a 1000 last year. Assuming he stays healthy, he should easily get over 1000 again. It's not that big of an achievement. But that isn't going to be a factor in him staying. The better he does, the harder it will be to keep him.

I largely agree. But any time someone logs in 1,000 yards, especially with last year's O-line and Dallas' pass-happy offense, that is saying something.
Yes, the better he does the harder it will to keep him. But I just don't see many team clamoring for him just yet.

 

[Galian Beast]

I largely agree. But any time someone logs in 1,000 yards, especially with last year's O-line and Dallas' pass-happy offense, that is saying something.
Yes, the better he does the harder it will to keep him. But I just don't see many team clamoring for him just yet.

Last year 13 running backs had 1000 yards rushing. It's not really the achievement many make it out to be. Lower yard totals are generally based on divided workloads.

Clamoring for him? It's not like this is free agency already.

 

[tantrix1969]

I largely agree. But any time someone logs in 1,000 yards, especially with last year's O-line and Dallas' pass-happy offense, that is saying something.
Yes, the better he does the harder it will to keep him. But I just don't see many team clamoring for him just yet.

We had one of the better oline's in the NFL last year...

 

[Nightman]

I based on it salary... the top 10 paid players... all make over 6.4 million dollars... there is a list on the first page... but yeah... I just moved the goal post...

A lot of the players you just mentioned are on rookie contracts.... You realize that? The second half of your list is the over the hill gang.... who noticeably are no longer top 10 running backs...

Look at DeMarco Murray's numbers across the board.... everything is in the top 10.... almost everything is in the top 5 or 6.

And again, reading is fundamental.... NEVER suggested once that dallas should overpay him. In fact what is the very title of the the thread Murray will be TOO expensive to keep... Are you awake? THAT'S NOT COMPLICATED.

Someone will pay him, and his market value is clearly there.

The rookies guys are in the Top 10 in yards for a reason. Teams are drafting and playing rookies instead of overpaying for vets. Morris, Stacy, Lacy, LBell, Ridley MBall, Bernard, Martin, L Thomas and Ingram.

The over the hill guys I guess refer to CJohnson, Bush, MJD and SJax all did more than Murray and fell off. Teams have learned their lessons.

Murray compares to Moreno, Tate, Gerhart and Spiller. Potential, but not a ton of production.

 

[Galian Beast]

The rookies guys are in the Top 10 in yards for a reason. Teams are drafting and playing rookies instead of overpaying for vets. Morris, Stacy, Lacy, LBell, Ridley MBall, Bernard, Martin, L Thomas and Ingram.

The over the hill guys I guess refer to CJohnson, Bush, MJD and SJax all did more than Murray and fell off. Teams have learned their lessons.

Murray compares to Moreno, Tate, Gerhart and Spiller. Potential, but not a ton of production.

I'm getting a little agitated that you seem to be purposefully missing the point.

Are there top 10 running backs on rookie contracts? Absolutely. Do their salaries reflect the going rate for running backs on the market? No they don't. Top 10 running backs on their second contract are getting paid, as clearly shown when you look at the top 10 salaries for running backs. Running backs on their 3rd or 4th contracts are likely to get a lot less, but they're also less likely to be top 10 running backs.

And again, it's not just about yards. Almost any running back in the nfl can produce 1000 yards rushing if they are healthy enough and get enough carries. CJohnson is the perfect example.

So please stop comparing apples and oranges in order to try to prove your point. You're wrong...

 

[DFWJC]

The rookies guys are in the Top 10 in yards for a reason. Teams are drafting and playing rookies instead of overpaying for vets. Morris, Stacy, Lacy, LBell, Ridley MBall, Bernard, Martin, L Thomas and Ingram.

The over the hill guys I guess refer to CJohnson, Bush, MJD and SJax all did more than Murray and fell off. Teams have learned their lessons.

Murray compares to Moreno, Tate, Gerhart and Spiller. Potential, but not a ton of production.

I think this is the trend more than ever before. It's changed even from just 2-3 years ago.

And among these rookies that are doing well, I think it'll be harder going forward to land big second contracts. Some will, though.

 

[burmafrd]

teams really are drafting new guys rather then pay the vets. RB is just one of the more obvious areas.

 

[Galian Beast]

teams really are drafting new guys rather then pay the vets. RB is just one of the more obvious areas.

That's being hyperbolic. This is the business of the nlf, that being said, tops vets are STILL getting paid, especially if it is their first non rookie contract (more applicable to the RB position)

 

[Jenky]

teams really are drafting new guys rather then pay the vets. RB is just one of the more obvious areas.

That's being hyperbolic. This is the business of the nlf, that being said, tops vets are STILL getting paid, especially if it is their first non rookie contract (more applicable to the RB position)

I don't think it's a stretch to say that. Teams are moving towards RB by committee via draft and free agency. Only teams with ELITE RBs who can handle the entire load, are proven, and produce year in and year out, shell out cash to their star.

 

[Galian Beast]

I don't think it's a stretch to say that. Teams are moving towards RB by committee via draft and free agency. Only teams with ELITE RBs who can handle the entire load, are proven, and produce year in and year out, shell out cash to their star.

Again, evidence points to at least 10 running backs (i.e. the top 3rd) receiving average salaries of 6.4 million dollars or more. It is a stretch to suggest that top running backs aren't getting paid more than 6.4 million a year, when the evidence points to the fact that they are.

Teams are moving to RBC, but that doesn't mean running backs aren't still getting paid, and it's time to recognize that as the reality.

Regardless of the position teams are drafting players to reduce cap burden, that isn't unique to the RB position. Hell it's part of the QB position as well.

 

[Jenky]

Again, evidence points to at least 10 running backs (i.e. the top 3rd) receiving average salaries of 6.4 million dollars or more. It is a stretch to suggest that top running backs aren't getting paid more than 6.4 million a year, when the evidence points to the fact that they are.

Teams are moving to RBC, but that doesn't mean running backs aren't still getting paid, and it's time to recognize that as the reality.

Regardless of the position teams are drafting players to reduce cap burden, that isn't unique to the RB position. Hell it's part of the QB position as well.

Top 10 RB for 1 season doesn't make you a top 10 running back.

 

[Galian Beast]

Top 10 RB for 1 season doesn't make you a top 10 running back.

Tell that to Hatcher who got paid after being a top defensive tackle for just 1 season...

 

[Jenky]

Tell that to Hatcher who got paid after being a top defensive tackle for just 1 season...

By that joke of a Commander team? They've been picking up our castaways for years now. It wasn't like he was highly sought after either. He dwindled in free agency.

 

[Galian Beast]

By that joke of a Commander team? They've been picking up our castaways for years now. It wasn't like he was highly sought after either. He dwindled in free agency.

Wasn't highly sought after but somehow got paid top money... come on...

 

[Jenky]

Wasn't highly sought after but somehow got paid top money... come on...

Yeah I just still can't agree with Murray getting paid 8 million a year.

- Injury history
- 1 good season
- Market for RBs
- game evolving to a pass heavy league

Let's just agree to disagree.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Last year 13 running backs had 1000 yards rushing. It's not really the achievement many make it out to be. Lower yard totals are generally based on divided workloads.

Clamoring for him? It's not like this is free agency already.

1,000 yards is 1,000 yards. Just like great passing stats is great passing stats less the playoff success. Heh.

Well, maybe I half written "in free agency" to satisfy the purists and stuff.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

We had one of the better oline's in the NFL last year...

If that was one of the better lines I must half missed it.
But this year should be better, and by your standards, it will be the best in the NFL.

 

[tantrix1969]

If that was one of the better lines I must half missed it.
But this year should be better, and by your standards, it will be the best in the NFL.

Not just my standards

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Not just my standards

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Super Bowl!