CFZ My Boy Vander Doesn't Get His Due Props Around Here

[nate dizzle]

And I hate to break it to you Dan Quinn still has stated knows entire site how many here they think they know something Dan Quinn knows more matter of fact damn clean on a bad day maybe with the flu maybe he gets COVID he's near on the deathbed still I'll take his opinion over anybody here you do know that that's what I said that was my precursor to my statement I don't care what fans think of the player the player his here because Dan Quinn wants him here how do I know this his contract was up we could have got rid of him instead we signed him when we could have signed Wagner that's how I know Dan Quinn wants him that's how I know Dan Quinn smarter than you or I when it comes to players on defense and I'm gonna go ahead and stick it right there I'm gonna leave it right there and I believe I said this already and I'm not gonna wanna hear your opinion because mine said I'm sticking with Dan Quinn's opinion... There's only one that counts that would be Dan Quinn

These were all words.

 

[blueblood70]

So, you think that Dan Quinn said, "Nah, I'd rather have LVE than Wagner"... Lol, get outta here

I'm saying they had the opportunity to make a change whether that be Wagner or others...

you just took that the wrong way I'm saying they could have made a change and I bet if he made a stink they probably could have gone after Wagner but I believe he probably already chose to go back to Seattle last eyar that his final stop back home..​

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so it was too late for him, I'm talking about two years ago we probably should have made that decision...​

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I said no to it at the time and I was wrong but that's not what I'm saying.​

I'm saying they could have moved on and if Dan Quinn has the power people think he has here like he's the next in line if Mike McCarthy screws up that people want him to be the head coach that Jerry will do anything to keep him here even as a defensive coordinator when it takes money all he had to do was go in there and say I don't want LVE, he doesn't fit my defense,

they could have got out of his contract or at least made him stay for a veteran money or let him walk you know what I'm saying?? I'm literally saying they had a choice last year and Dan Quinn has power and if he OK re upping L VE then I'm gonna trust that's who he's comfortable with.. You wanna question it show me the proof that that didn't happen I say the proof is in the pudding the man could have been a free agent they re upped him Dan Quinn had to approve it, guaranteed.. Even if he doesn't have the final say if he didn't win in Jerry's office and said I don't want this guy on my defense I guarantee it would have had some weight... the fact that that didn't happen tells me he's comfortable and likes LVE.. And again the fact that he's still on a pro team and people here think he's a Jag I think that your opinion is a Fan opinions= Just Average Garbage.

Bam!

 

[1time4urMind]

I'm saying they had the opportunity to make a change whether that be Wagner or others...

you just took that the wrong way I'm saying they could have made a change and I bet if he made a stink they probably could have gone after Wagner but I believe he probably already chose to go back to Seattle last eyar that his final stop back home..​

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so it was too late for him, I'm talking about two years ago we probably should have made that decision...​

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I said no to it at the time and I was wrong but that's not what I'm saying.​

I'm saying they could have moved on and if Dan Quinn has the power people think he has here like he's the next in line if Mike McCarthy screws up that people want him to be the head coach that Jerry will do anything to keep him here even as a defensive coordinator when it takes money all he had to do was go in there and say I don't want LVE, he doesn't fit my defense,

they could have got out of his contract or at least made him stay for a veteran money or let him walk you know what I'm saying?? I'm literally saying they had a choice last year and Dan Quinn has power and if he OK re upping L VE then I'm gonna trust that's who he's comfortable with.. You wanna question it show me the proof that that didn't happen I say the proof is in the pudding the man could have been a free agent they re upped him Dan Quinn had to approve it, guaranteed.. Even if he doesn't have the final say if he didn't win in Jerry's office and said I don't want this guy on my defense I guarantee it would have had some weight... the fact that that didn't happen tells me he's comfortable and likes LVE.. And again the fact that he's still on a pro team and people here think he's a Jag I think that your opinion is a Fan opinions= Just Average Garbage.

Bam!

I'd love to have a whiskey from Dan Quinn and hear it straight from him. I don't believe that he wasn't looking for another partner for this dance. I mean, we let LVE hit free agency, nobody really wanted him. So, we did let him walk. He had nowhere to go. I'm glad we signed him because without him we had no insurance policy. Now, our insurance policy is playing. He's not a bad player. He's not a good player either. He's the girl your with while your looking for that woman.

In fact, we drafted Parsons with the full intention of him playing MLB. We had no idea that he could do it all or that he was a generational pass rusher. So, yeah, stuff happens... You sign LVE on a JAG salary.

JAG = just average garbage... That's hilarious. Love it.

My opinion may be garbage, but film is objective. LVE is what he is... Just Average Garbage. And, no doubt Dan Quinn jumps when a realistic opportunity to replace LVE comes along.

You do state facts like "he's on a pro team". But you lose all rapport when you use that statement to conclude that he is not a "JAG". There are plenty of NFL JAG's. Every team needs the right JAG's to fill their roster. LVE is paid like a JAG who hit free agency and had no suitors. He plays like a JAG. And, Quinn would probably like to keep LVE if the choice is between him and another JAG.

And, yeah, that's like my JAG opinion, man.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LVE is running a 4.6 nowadays and he is still not as physical as I would like from a man his size. That being said he is smart, quick, and makes plays.

 

[Creeper]

LVE played poorly against the Cardinals, like a lot of players, and he got bashed for it. He played his best game against the Patriots and it wasn't just the fumble recovery and TD. He made some nice plays in the run and passing game.

VE does have a weakness and sometimes it makes him look really bad. We needs his best game this week against the 49ers.

 

[Lutonio]

He’s no Sean “General” Lee, but I don’t think he’s the liability a lot of other members here seem to think he is. He stands out as a weaker spot amongst a defense with more talent at other positions, but he’s not outright bad.

 

[Gambit]

LVE got unnecessarily bashed last year and it's carried over to this year. He isn't the greatest but he isn't terrible either. He is solid and dependable. This is also more than likely his last season as a Cowboy.

As solid of a take as there could be on him

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

• no I wouldn't have

 

[blueblood70]

I'd love to have a whiskey from Dan Quinn and hear it straight from him. I don't believe that he wasn't looking for another partner for this dance. I mean, we let LVE hit free agency, nobody really wanted him. So, we did let him walk. He had nowhere to go. I'm glad we signed him because without him we had no insurance policy. Now, our insurance policy is playing. He's not a bad player. He's not a good player either. He's the girl your with while your looking for that woman.

In fact, we drafted Parsons with the full intention of him playing MLB. We had no idea that he could do it all or that he was a generational pass rusher. So, yeah, stuff happens... You sign LVE on a JAG salary.

JAG = just average garbage... That's hilarious. Love it.

My opinion may be garbage, but film is objective. LVE is what he is... Just Average Garbage. And, no doubt Dan Quinn jumps when a realistic opportunity to replace LVE comes along.

You do state facts like "he's on a pro team". But you lose all rapport when you use that statement to conclude that he is not a "JAG". There are plenty of NFL JAG's. Every team needs the right JAG's to fill their roster. LVE is paid like a JAG who hit free agency and had no suitors. He plays like a JAG. And, Quinn would probably like to keep LVE if the choice is between him and another JAG.

And, yeah, that's like my JAG opinion, man.

That will never happen so I'm not reading past the line about you meeting Dan Quinn and having a whiskey and by the way I bet he would not tell you the truth either way they don't go and do that especially with a fan.. No a Jag salary would be a veteran minimum on a non guaranteed contract let's keep that straight your version of Jag is not L VE he's just a mid level veteran not a Jag like I said why didn't they go after anymore linebackers why did they resign him I guarantee if Dan Quinn wanted it they would at least went out and got somebody that he liked more regardless if it was Wagner or somebody else we don't know but you're sitting here arguing with the wrong person I'm telling you right now Jerry likes Dan Quinn he wants to appease Dan Quinn and I'll bet if Dan Quinn truly didn't want Leighton vander ash here he would not be here they could have got off his contract..

 

[Bullflop]

There's a good reason why the Cowboys kept LVE active for the past 2 years. His play has been solid since his days of injury. Once a player's performance experiences a slump, far too many of us ignore what comes afterward. He's a valuable member of the defense again these days. LVE deserves far more credit than he gets on this website.
Woe be to a player who goes through a bout of injury around here. It's never forgiven. Tough crowd . . .

 

[RonWashington]

Lol. Worst player on the team. That was Fowler making a great play and LVE had an easy play to make. Even he couldn’t screw that up. Aside from that play he has been awful. His game last week was pathetic.Allen

I’m glad the coaches talked the FO into the Fowler addition . Man makes plays .

 

[IceStar-D7]

You can disagree of course, but I have gone back and watched the games a few times and there are many times that LVE has looked slow or occasionally lost.

He has made some good plays at times, including some that he made good reads on, but he ends up chasing vertically too often and he has fallen into tackles more than you would expect.

I do not think he is a bad player by any means, and maybe its the system he is in now, but he makes mistakes during games that a player with his experience should not be making and he simply does not have the speed to make up for it when it happens.

Players make bad reads all the time, even great players, but their speed can usually compensate most of the time.

LVE doesn't have that luxury, so he needs to make better reads so he can use his size to his advantage.

That's why the Niners defense is so tough. Upfront and their linebackers. Dallas linebackers are major weaknesses especially in run support. Upfront is getting somewhat better though. But linebackers? Including Micah in run support has much to be desired

 

[Pass2Run]

..LVE is that player, flying under radar. Could be huge factor, later in year.

I agree. We'll see how he plays versus San Fran. So much recency bias from the Az game. What I find hilarious is how everyone was freaking out that we lost that game with so many freak injuries. Sure, I want to be 4-0 like Philly. And we should be. But injuries happen to both teams. Their record last year didn't end up getting them much, unless you consider a SB loss success.

I get the argument that we all have opinions. I just find the LVE hate to be rather pathetic, considering that he's pretty obviously a solid player who dedicates himself to the team. Not everyone can be Micah Parsons.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Any fan with a memory knows that the Cowboys defense tanked last year the moment LVE went out to injury. They are better with him out there, no question.

People forget, he makes the on the field defensive play calls, Parsons plays mostly on pure physical ability, just find a gap and head for the qb. LVE sets things up for Parsons, without LVE Parsons wouldn't be as effective.

LVE is underrated, imho....

 

[Pass2Run]

And I hate to break it to you Dan Quinn still has stated knows entire site how many here they think they know something Dan Quinn knows more matter of fact damn clean on a bad day maybe with the flu maybe he gets COVID he's near on the deathbed still I'll take his opinion over anybody here you do know that that's what I said that was my precursor to my statement I don't care what fans think of the player the player his here because Dan Quinn wants him here how do I know this his contract was up we could have got rid of him instead we signed him when we could have signed Wagner that's how I know Dan Quinn wants him that's how I know Dan Quinn smarter than you or I when it comes to players on defense and I'm gonna go ahead and stick it right there I'm gonna leave it right there and I believe I said this already and I'm not gonna wanna hear your opinion because mine said I'm sticking with Dan Quinn's opinion... There's only one that counts that would be Dan Quinn

What I want to say is . . . you are both making this more difficult and dramatic than it has to be.

Anyone who knows jack about football knows LVE is not an average player. He's actually an above average player. And players like him are not easy to find. If the position was so easy, and just any athlete with blazing fast speed, say, Damone Clarke, comparatively speaking. I guarantee you that Bobby Wagner is not still running a 4.4 40 at 33. He's probably lost that extra step that you have when you're in your youth, that if you're fast, and know how to turn it on, can't really be beaten in open field sports. It goes without speaking that the fastest guys know they have a burst over other players and it can help them make up for being initially hesitant, or just plain had another assignment so had a duty to be "out of position."

That's the thing with fans, though. That's the thing about all the dissing though. Fans lack actual context. We see parts of it from the outside, but what's really going on there ends up being constructed in imaginations about how they ought to be versus how they are.

Fans aren't really considering that while a player may be out of position that he was playing his zone in the defense. Only those guys with an initial burst can walk down a player who broke an angle on him with pure speed, and most importantly acceleration. Most plays for a LBer aren't going to be take two steps to your right when your coach got out-witted and threw a left swing to the outside to the fastest guy. And, well, maybe some LBers can recover from getting beaten. But at some point, even the guys with the most burst on defense can get beat. What I've seen LVE get beaten on was really not his assignment. He just doesn't come up to make the play. But, again, he's staying to the DQ. And I think that's what matters. It's good to have a great team and another good linebacker like LVE. And we need him to suck it up and take lower pay to stay here, when I believe he could get more elsewhere, just to be a Cowboy.

That's the part I don't get about the LVE hate. So I just wanted to say what I was thinking after that game: we see you, LVE.

Keep upholding that standard.

 

[Pass2Run]

LVE is running a 4.6 nowadays and he is still not as physical as I would like from a man his size. That being said he is smart, quick, and makes plays.

His short-rage play is pretty outstanding. He's not flashy. Just really solid and dependable. That's what you need there. It's a tough position. I'm just arguing we definitely have an above average player there.

I mean, unless Parsons has to play there. But Parsons off the edge makes so much more sense, especially n 3rd and 4tth downs. I do like Parsons at LBer, and also in pass coverage, though. And I can see him being Jerry Rice-esque enough to continue his offseason regimine. That's why, to me, I'm always reminded of a Mike Tyson element that Parsons has. He just wants to be the best ever, and will do almost anything to make himself better. I wish I had done that at that age.

For me. When Parsons says, he won't play past X,Y, Z age, I don't buy it. I think he'll just switch positions, maybe to LBer for 3-4 years, dominate there, then retire. He can keep playing, and maybe he should. It's what he knows, pretty much: that it's much more than passion. It's the dedication.

I"m just saying. LVE is what he is, slightly above to above average. I get that sometimes he's limited. But in reality, he has deceptive speed in those first 25 yards, and that's what I think makes him an above average LB. That, and he's also pretty savvy in pass coverage. I love the way Dan Quinn uses him. Most of the time. DQ is pretty Madden-esque, but he's got the joystick from above, calling plays.
He's been excellent value, and he's proven to be another good draft pick. Not flashy, but he's a hit.

 

[RoboQB]

Oh, I didn’t realize LVE was white. I thought he was an octoroon……silly me

Octoroon. Is that in the 64-color crayon pack?

 

[RoboQB]

Wow haven't heard that one before. It might just be that like Heath, he's not all that good.

So terrible that they re-signed him and made him the
defensive captain. You're not gonna have top-5 players
at every position.

The same ones crapping over LVE got their panties in a bunch each time someone questioned Jaylon Smith.
"We know why" was their immediate reaction.

 

[kazzd58]

I read on Cowboyszone. I get on the Youtube shows. And I hear a lot of talk about how Vander Esch is the problem.

Pardon me?

Are we even watching the same game? He just happens to play in the shadow of Parsons. And if he didn't, he'd be one of our better players. He just plays a different role than I think we'd have him playing, if Parsons were otherwise not here.

Parsons is a luxury, but Vander Esch came up big today when called upon, and that's why I believe he's still here: he bought into DQs system and rides and dies by the sword of DQ. He showed it last year. He certainly wasn't the problem at San Fran. He just takes on a lot of responsibility in his role. He's also tough, and he'll be out there if he can.

Anyway, the other thing people are freaking out about is Deuce. You have to chill on that because he is going to get stuffed two times. Then bust a 20 yarder on you. Or longer. It's just how he plays. People are going to love him and hate him.

I'm glad to see Gallup still making progress. I want to see him work on his speed, week to week. Like really focus on his speed as a player. And from there, I think it could still be nothing but up for him. He'll have to get better over these next 6 weeks. And I think he will. He needs to check himself though, and get faster.

Still, it hasn't been an easy road for MG. And I don't think it will be an easy ride for Diggs either, given how important it is for CBs to cut and change speeds, accelerate, overall agility etcetera. Everyone says 1 year for an ACL. But it's more like 18 months even with the stem cell treatment. And we're getting there with Diggs, who I think will partake in the most succinct path to recovery possible.

I also want to give a shout out to my boy Doran Bland. The guy has some game and really just needed a shot, imo. I hope he keeps up the consistent, persistent work ethic. I see a future star in the making, perhaps.

By chance, do you think u honestly really said something profound as if our eyes don’t see the game as well ‍♂️ By chance is all I’m asking. Consistency is LVE? Is that a True or False statement?

 

[Mark]

The Madden-gamer-coaches don't like LVE because of his "numbers." In the real world, he means a lot to this defense. All you have to look to for evidence is what happened last year when he was out.