My case for Ted Ginn, Jr.

[DBoys]

It's possible Ginn could not have an impact next year either. Austin did a fine job returning kicks towards the end of the year. Not often you spend a 1st round pick on a guy hoping it will AT LEAST contribute on special teams. That's insane.

All those guys I listed can run routes and cause fits for DB's just as well if not better then Ginn because they are route runners.

Ohio St has one of the best weight programs in the nation. I find it hard to believe he can just flip the switch and get bigger in the NFL.

There is not any difference between Meachems 4.39 and Ginn's 4.38 except Meachem has the size Ginn lacks which makes it that more impressive.

Austin did a mediocre job at best. How many 1st rounders play their first year? How long did it take Bobby? We need a kick and punt returned in the worst way. Ginn would bring a Deion element. He would be a perfect replacement to Glenn as well.

Back to the same tired route running debate. Quickness sells the route and there is nobody quicker than Ginn.

There is a difference Ginn is hurt. He ran a 4.29 at OSU and that is a big difference.

Meacham would never see time.

All you guys thinking we are drafting a one dimensional WR need to wake up from your fantasy.

 

[jackrussell]

Patrick Crayton is the emergency QB. Where in blue heck have you ever seen or heard of Ginn playing QB? We have kick returners. If we want a CB we can draft one.

Crayton, KRs, draft a CB.....thanks for solidifying my point...4 guys as compared to one.

And sorry your blissful aptitude missed Ginn as an emergency QB thing. Played some QB at Glenville High and took some snaps from the QB position at OSU.

Once again, I'll take a true WR who will be a big part of the offense for the next 10 years over Ginn to return kicks and provide spot duty at WR till inevitably the NFL takes it's toll on his small frame from returning kicks.

Yes grasshopper...your choice is clear.......simple. (on the assumption we take someone that is a BIG part of our offense for the next 10 years)

We have chosen complex....(though not as complex as claiming Bowe ran a 4 flat 40)

 

[SDogo]

Crayton, KRs, draft a CB.....thanks for solidifying my point...4 guys as compared to one.

And sorry your blissful aptitude missed Ginn as an emergency QB thing. Played some QB at Glenville High and took some snaps from the QB position at OSU.

Considering Crayton is not going anywhere and obviously Ginn can't play QB worth a damn or it would have been discussed more I guess your making it more complex then it needs to be. Sure he can play corner in a pinch but you will never see it.

Yes grasshopper...your choice is clear.......simple. (on the assumption we take someone that is a BIG part of our offense for the next 10 years)

We have chosen complex....(though not as complex as claiming Bowe ran a 4 flat 40)

It's only complex cause it's your not pick. Get over yourself.

 

[SDogo]

Austin did a mediocre job at best. How many 1st rounders play their first year? How long did it take Bobby? We need a kick and punt returned in the worst way. Ginn would bring a Deion element. He would be a perfect replacement to Glenn as well.

Back to the same tired route running debate. Quickness sells the route and there is nobody quicker than Ginn.

There is a difference Ginn is hurt. He ran a 4.29 at OSU and that is a big difference.

Meacham would never see time.

All you guys thinking we are drafting a one dimensional WR need to wake up from your fantasy.

There is no guarantee Ginn would bring a Deion element. How many dynamic punt returners fail to produce in the NFL every year? Everyone is fast in the NFL, it takes more then speed.

I refer you to Yamon Figurs once again. Same type of receiver as Ginn, faster and can be had in the 5th or 6th round instead of wasting a 1st rounder on a returner that we hope pans out at WR.

The big positive among the Ginn fans is that he would not have to be forced into action but somehow that's a negative for Meachem?

 

[CarlAllDay]

why are people stuck on trying to be scouts and worry about a guys size-speed ratio?
the fact is the game is about making plays and thats what ginn does.

He played in a very tough confrence and played in some very big games,

as well as dwayne jarrett.

those are two guys who produced and have the attitude it takes to make plays.

jarrett may not have the gaudy workout numbers but on the feild this guy is a beast in the endzone and all over the feild.

theese would be the two wr's i would pick from.

i dont want to hear about meachem having the size and speed because thats what they said about troy williamson and look at him,

and if your so enamored with a blocker like bowe, well owens has the strength to block for the next 5 years.

Personally im not really into drafting a wideout this year because its always good wr's coming out every year, but i say if we draft one lets draft one that can be a playmaker.

every team needs an x factor and thats what the cheifs have in dante hall (well now LJ) the eagles have in brian westbrook, saints have in reggie bush,
the bears have in devin hester, and giants had with tiki barber.

we need a guy who can break the game open like the people i mentioned before.

the closest thing to that is ted ginn jr.

Bowe doesnt have great numbers and had the best qb in the nation throwing to him and definately isn't a gamebreaker, meachem just started to rise up draft boards after his workouts.

ginn is a dual threat receiving and returning and even running the reverse, i'd rather have him or dwayne jarrett.

Jarrett plays faster than his 40 time and even plays faster than bowe. jarrett has the best hands in the draft and torched every number one db thats in this draft.

dont forget that jerry rice's 40 time sucked too, and emmitt smith didn't have blazing speed either.

not to say that jarrett will have half the career those guys did but this guy is a competitor who wants the ball.

personally i think that one guy will slip because you know there's always a big reach in the first round but i think that between anderson from arkansas, branch from michigan, or willis the lb will be there when we pick, and possibly reggie nelson, so personally i'd take any of those guys first,

and go wideout in the second maybe sidney rice? or steve smith from usc?

 

[SDogo]

why are people stuck on trying to be scouts and worry about a guys size-speed ratio?
the fact is the game is about making plays and thats what ginn does.

He played in a very tough confrence and played in some very big games,

as well as dwayne jarrett.

those are two guys who produced and have the attitude it takes to make plays.

jarrett may not have the gaudy workout numbers but on the feild this guy is a beast in the endzone and all over the feild.

theese would be the two wr's i would pick from.

i dont want to hear about meachem having the size and speed because thats what they said about troy williamson and look at him,

and if your so enamored with a blocker like bowe, well owens has the strength to block for the next 5 years.

Personally im not really into drafting a wideout this year because its always good wr's coming out every year, but i say if we draft one lets draft one that can be a playmaker.

every team needs an x factor and thats what the cheifs have in dante hall (well now LJ) the eagles have in brian westbrook, saints have in reggie bush,
the bears have in devin hester, and giants had with tiki barber.

we need a guy who can break the game open like the people i mentioned before.

the closest thing to that is ted ginn jr.

Bowe doesnt have great numbers and had the best qb in the nation throwing to him and definately isn't a gamebreaker, meachem just started to rise up draft boards after his workouts.

ginn is a dual threat receiving and returning and even running the reverse, i'd rather have him or dwayne jarrett.

Jarrett plays faster than his 40 time and even plays faster than bowe. jarrett has the best hands in the draft and torched every number one db thats in this draft.

dont forget that jerry rice's 40 time sucked too, and emmitt smith didn't have blazing speed either.

not to say that jarrett will have half the career those guys did but this guy is a competitor who wants the ball.

personally i think that one guy will slip because you know there's always a big reach in the first round but i think that between anderson from arkansas, branch from michigan, or willis the lb will be there when we pick, and possibly reggie nelson, so personally i'd take any of those guys first,

and go wideout in the second maybe sidney rice? or steve smith from usc?

The only thing I agree with is I would also rather have Ginn or Jarrett. I would rather have Randall Williams back over Jarrett.

 

[jackrussell]

Considering Crayton is not going anywhere

Considering he signed a one year deal....

and obviously Ginn can't play QB worth a damn or it would have been discussed more

So you know nothing of it eh? So that means it doesn't exist, right? Talk about getting over yourself.

I guess your making it more complex then it needs to be. Sure he can play corner in a pinch but you will never see it.

And you know that how exactly? Seems you also missed the discussion among some teams that they were indeed looking at his CB skills. Not really enlightened on Ginn except for your assumptions.

It's only complex cause it's your not pick.

Ummm......yeah...I think.

 

[jackrussell]

I would rather have Randall Williams back over Jarrett.

Annnnnnd that pretty much let's us know what exactly what we're dealing with here.(if the Bowe 4 flat 40 didn't already) bigbadroy, you've got some company!

 

[L-O-Jete]

Unlike you, nothing would make me happier then to see the Commanders take Ginn. With the limited about of picks they have this year and have had over the last 3 years they can hardly afford to blow this years pick which is exactly what they would be doing taking Ginn.

Meachem ran a 4.39, is 2 inches taller, 37 pounds heavier, runs better routes, has better hands, is a better blocker but does not return kicks. If he did we would not even be having this discussion.

His asset is his speed not his WR skills. Speed is abundant in this draft.

Bowe-4.0
Allison-4.39
Hill 4.36
Robinson-4.38
Figurs-4.30

not to mention the dozen other prospects 4.41 or better.

Seems silly.

Ginn with the 22nd pick is a great gamble, with the 6th... wouldn't touch him.

 

[SDogo]

Annnnnnd that pretty much let's us know what exactly what we're dealing with here.(if the Bowe 4 flat 40 didn't already) bigbadroy, you've got some company!

again, only because we don't share your opinion is it wrong.

 

[SDogo]

Considering he signed a one year deal....

annnnnnnnnnnnd, your point? So Crayton is here for another year meaning Ginn would not be needed in that roll. It's the argument against other prospects so it's only fair here.

So you know nothing of it eh? So that means it doesn't exist, right? Talk about getting over yourself.

Neither does any scout or publication around cause no one talks of it.

And you know that how exactly? Seems you also missed the discussion among some teams that they were indeed looking at his CB skills. Not really enlightened on Ginn except for your assumptions.

It's because he has marginal skills as a WR. Don't flatter yourself.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Ginn will be the next non-top 10 first round bust if he is drafted in the first. I suspect he will slip to the second round.

 

[Tristan]

I agree completely, Jarrett & Ginn are the real deal. These two are really the only WR's I want at 22. I watched them both extensively, and I could never imagined that we would have a realistic shot to draft either one of these big time playmakers.

Every player has a chance to be a "bust", so what, to predict that so and so is going to be a "bust" is pure conjecture. The one thing I want our pick to be is a "playmaker" whether it's a WR, CB, FS or OLB. These two guys are proven big time playmakers, you want as many of those guys on your team as you can get.

 

[adamknite]

why are people stuck on trying to be scouts and worry about a guys size-speed ratio?
the fact is the game is about making plays and thats what ginn does.

He played in a very tough confrence and played in some very big games,

as well as dwayne jarrett.

Ummm.... Bowe and Maechem both played in the same conference as the National Champions.... I'd say their conference is pretty strong too my friend. Plus 2 teams in the top 3, 4 teams in the top 15 and 6 teams in the top 25. The SEC isn't some midmajor conference dude.

 

[joseephuss]

Why is there an assumption that Ginn will be able to put on weight in the NFL? He played at a big time school. Those types of programs usually have good weight conditioning programs. His father is also a coach, so I would think he taught him a thing or two about working out. He is young and should be able to add some weight over time as he gets older, but he is not going to add 10 to 15 lbs in one or even two off seasons. Plus he just looks to have a lean muscular frame. I don't neccessarily think that is a problem, but he doesn't look to have the build to add much more bulk. Not in the 10 to 15 lbs of muscle. That is a lot. He probably is around 4% body fat right now.

 

[DLCassidy]

Just read the entire thread- interesting debate. If I were a judge I'd say the "draft Ginn at 22" crowd had the more persuasive arguments.

 

[jackrussell]

It's because he has marginal skills as a WR. Don't flatter yourself.

But but but...you said he'd NEVER see any action a CB...and now you acknowledge they have INDEED talked about doing it.

Could you PLEASE try to keep up here.

Hey, anybody that thinks Bowe runs a 4 flat 40...anybody that thinks we'd be better off with Randall Williams here than Dwayne Jarrett....anybody that doesn't think we could use a dynamic multi talented athlete on our roster that could open other roster spots for added depth...well...just not much of a football thinker IMO.

 

[Rampage]

ginn is all speed. he can't catch that good and his route running isn't anything special. he will be a bust this year.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I guess we can close this thread... Jerry has strongly implied "No WR at #22".

 

[ddh33]

I got the same impression from Jerry - that he didn't think a WR would be worth #22 on this team.

However, Jerry also talked about a WOW pick. Maybe Ginn wouldn't be worth that pick as a reciever, but his special team ability and versatility might make him a wow pick that would please Jerry.