My Free Safety

[Banned_n_austin]

HAHAHAHAA

Wait till Keith gets some experience at the position. Right now hes focused on "not getting beat" and "restraining/containing aggressiveness." When he gets used to that, his real talent will come out. I think of him right now in "Demarcus Ware mode" (The Arizona version) when he gets some experience, it will be Seattle mode. just wait, and have some patience, hes already showing improvement from game one to game two.

You could be right ... but this is Barialt's rookie year ... he hasn't been to Europe and has a hurt knee ... not too bad for a #6 guy from a small school and a bum knee ...

 

[Banned_n_austin]

But that is what they both are - box players. Roy is alright in pass coverage, but he belongs closer to the LOS. Bariault is even more like that. I would trust Roy in coverage more than I would Bariault, but I also trust Davis more as well.

I like Bariault as the backup to Roy more than FS.

Just don't put words in my mouth. (please)


With the pass rush and improved cornerback play ... not to mention Ware's coverage ability and Dat ... I don't think a "FS type" is that important.

Keith Davis hasn't shown he's great in coverage ... and I'm aware there is a difference in speed ... I'm just saying that schematically, I think it would work ...

Zimmer has a history of this way of thinking as well ...

 

[smashmouth]

very true,and we need one safety who can cover

And who might that safety be? BP said it himself that Davis was more of a SS type, so who do you think the better strong safety is Justin B. or Davis?
One word comes to mind when I think of Justing B. "Instincts" The kid has it and you can't teach it.
He has a knack for being in every play and being around the ball, and that's what I want. Davis can't cover, he still got burned yesterday. So what we're looking at is a bunch of strong safeties and then their's Lynn Scott. So take one of those other SS (Beriault) and let him play next to Roy and destroy every thing in sight. One last thing, if you recorded the game, take a look in the 4th quarter after Justin destroyed a receiver, the next play that same receiver looked at JB instead of catching the ball.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Tony Dixon is now on the market, lets get em'!

NO WAY!!!! I thought he was going to solidify the Wash secondary

 

[diehard2294]

And who might that safety be? BP said it himself that Davis was more of a SS type, so who do you think the better strong safety is Justin B. or Davis?
One word comes to mind when I think of Justing B. "Instincts" The kid has it and you can't teach it.
He has a knack for being in every play and being around the ball, and that's what I want. Davis can't cover, he still got burned yesterday. So what we're looking at is a bunch of strong safeties and then their's Lynn Scott. So take one of those other SS (Beriault) and let him play next to Roy and destroy every thing in sight. One last thing, if you recorded the game, take a look in the 4th quarter after Justin destroyed a receiver, the next play that same receiver looked at JB instead of catching the ball.

my comment was actually sarcasm about Roy's coverage skills : I agree JB is a player, the problem is we have 3 SS and need a FS who can cover. It will be growing pains here,and alot of passes down the middle of the field like we seen last night till hopefully Davis get's comfy

 

[Banned_n_austin]

And who might that safety be? BP said it himself that Davis was more of a SS type, so who do you think the better strong safety is Justin B. or Davis?
One word comes to mind when I think of Justing B. "Instincts" The kid has it and you can't teach it.
He has a knack for being in every play and being around the ball, and that's what I want. Davis can't cover, he still got burned yesterday. So what we're looking at is a bunch of strong safeties and then their's Lynn Scott. So take one of those other SS (Beriault) and let him play next to Roy and destroy every thing in sight. One last thing, if you recorded the game, take a look in the 4th quarter after Justin destroyed a receiver, the next play that same receiver looked at JB instead of catching the ball.

You make some good points. And that's the way I see it. K.Davis isn't really a FS type either. And that's what I'm looking for with a move like this - theoretically. Someone to break up passes, cause fumbles, instill fear and cover when they need to. Dallas plays their safeties pretty deep anyways and our pass rush will obviosly be much improved. I think Bill was really on to something with Berry-o.

And if he was thinking that we needed a "FS type" or a "ballhawk" ... why didn't he draft one ... It seems to me, he may be thinking along these lines as an option as well.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

NO WAY!!!! I thought he was going to solidify the Wash secondary

What is it with them and our rejects?

 

[cannonball44]

And who might that safety be? BP said it himself that Davis was more of a SS type, so who do you think the better strong safety is Justin B. or Davis?

Davis is... or Berry boy would be starting. its as plain as that. Davis isn't makin big bucks, if Berry Boy was better, he would be starting so APPARENTLY hes not better than Davis. fool.

One word comes to mind when I think of Justing B. "Instincts" The kid has it and you can't teach it.
He has a knack for being in every play and being around the ball, and that's what I want.

Guess what GM? Thats what everyone says about Keith Davis. That is why he is starting ahead of Berry Boy. Because (once again) APPARENTLY his are better. And not only better, but maybe more suited for FS.

Davis can't cover, he still got burned yesterday.

And it just keeps going....

What kind of statement is that??? Davis can't cover.... NEWSFLASH: If Davis couldn't cover... He wouldn't be a free safety... hell, he wouldn't even be a safety PERIOD. Its a good thing your not the head coach. Cuz we'd have Berries at FS, who I guess MUST be better than Davis because he CAN cover(?!) How you would expect a 6th round SS to be able to cover someone playing against first stringers at the FS position is beyond me.... maybe his sacks (and one punt return style int.) led you to that conclusion....

So what we're looking at is a bunch of strong safeties and then their's Lynn Scott. So take one of those other SS (Beriault) and let him play next to Roy and destroy every thing in sight. One last thing, if you recorded the game, take a look in the 4th quarter after Justin destroyed a receiver, the next play that same receiver looked at JB instead of catching the ball.

Sure, I'd rather put Davis back there..... you know, one of those SS types... and let him play next to Roy and destroy everything in sight. as for everything else... kudos to Berry Boy. Wr's don't like getting hit.... I'm sure Davis can do the same thing...better.

In conclusion, I'd like to say that some of you guys don't seem to understand that Davis (while talented, instinctful and improving) isn't perfect.... he'll get burned like EVERY FS in the league... If Parcells thought Berry Boy was better, he would be starting.... there is NOTHING to stop berries from starting except that maybe there is someone better than him(?)<---maybe Davis?

one quick question... If Davis couldn't cover, why is he starting over Izell Reese and Lynn Scott? that makes ZERO sense. Maybe Parcells HAS lost it....

 

[Mike 1967]

I am going to get lambasted for this....but....

I actually think Beriault is a carbon copy of Roy Williams....albeit a much cheaper one.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

BerryO is a rookie. A sixth round rookie at that. We're watching him play like this against backups, Seahawks backups at that. No one who's sane would start a 6th round rookie SS at FS because he "makes plays".

Lets just pick our 11 best players on the team and let them play both sides of the ball and special teams. If we've got 11 playmakers out there at all times, we can't lose!!1!!!

Bingo! I like Berry-o a lot, but when the regular season starts and the actual game-planning starts you need a FS who has some experience and understands what's happening out there on the field. Reese has the most experience, but is limited in his skill at this stage of his career, Berry-o is too green right now, but has a future it looks like, Davis is the best option available for the time being.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Cannonball, keep in mind Lynn Scott has made a career off of one preseason game hit (quote from Midswat, but it's true). And he started last year. So it's not like you have to be an aw player to win the job.

And no one is baggin on your boy. It's just that this rookie is playing well and he's a rookie and hasn't been to Europe and is showing toughness in playing hurt and the guy hits hard.

My assesment may be a little premature, but that guy put out an impressive performance last night. It's hard not to think of other possibilities. And it's a little easy to see why you've become so offended due to what your title says ...

But just one question: Why do you think K. Davis is the guy?

Did you go to the same school?

Just curious ...

 

[Banned_n_austin]

I am going to get lambasted for this....but....

I actually think Beriault is a carbon copy of Roy Williams....albeit a much cheaper one.

No blasting here from your fellow Austinite.

I think he looked a little like Lynch.

He left me thinking he could be the real deal. We could all be surprised, Mike.

 

[Mike 1967]

No blasting here from your fellow Austinite.

I think he looked a little like Lynch.

He left me thinking he could be the real deal. We could all be surprised, Mike.

I forget the name of the draft guru over at ESPN...

But I remember listening to him 1-2 days after the draft. He was asked who the steal of the draft was...and he said Beriault. The guys on the radio were surprised to hear him say that because nobody knew who he was.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

I forget the name of the draft guru over at ESPN...

But I remember listening to him 1-2 days after the draft. He was asked who the steal of the draft was...and he said Beriault. The guys on the radio were surprised to hear him say that because nobody knew who he was.

I've got a feeling about this guy. We need a safety badly. He really impressed me, as did Ware.

Do we even need to talk about Ware?

Dude was on a rampage. Where are all the Parcells doubters when you need them?

I was cynical after the first game, but my optimism is restored on account of guys like Ware, Barialt, Petitte, Polite, Crayton and Romo ... guys that are underdogs, but looked solid.

 

[Ashwynn]

As much as I want to see BerryO on the field nailing guys, we really need a Free Safety that can cover deep. Having a free safety we can depend on in coverage will allow Roy to come on blitzes and shake things up. If we've got two bruisers at safety, we'll be running a big risk in coverage, I'd think.

Gotta agree here, cant have 2 SS playing the line. Dont want Roy covering a receiver 20 yards downfield either. Though I think Berry-o could indeed play FS and may even start, though more likely he will play in the nickle package where you can have 2 SS on the field. Give him some time. hes made the club for sure. with a year or two, he can gradually slide into the FS position as he gets more comfy in that role. I am thinking Bills already thought this through and his future already mapped out. Now we get to watch it unfold before our very eyes. Behold the dawning of the Baby Bates era in Dallas.

 

[Mike 1967]

I've got a feeling about this guy. We need a safety badly. He really impressed me, as did Ware.

Do we even need to talk about Ware?

Dude was on a rampage. Where are all the Parcells doubters when you need them?

I was cynical after the first game, but my optimism is restored on account of guys like Ware, Barialt, Petitte, Polite, Crayton and Romo ... guys that are underdogs, but looked solid.

I like Crayton ever since the preseason games last year. My opinion out of the gates was that the guy was clutch. He simply makes plays. He does not drop balls. Parcells said it best when he said that the game was not to big for Crayton. To be honest with you Crayton reminds me a lot of Irvin. He is a big physical tough receiver with good hands...albiet without big speed.

I was not a fan of Romo last year but this year I am solidly in his corner. Up to this point I think he has looked the best out of the 3 QB's in the 2 games so far. He has great pocket presence and control. He is one of those guys that can feel pressure and buy time by taking 3 steps in the right direction at the right time. Although he did have a mental breakdown on the throw to that should have been intercepted by the safety.

Polite has flashed some good things as well. I especially liked the way he got to the in zone in traffic.

Ware is a by product of Parcells knowledge of prototypical 3-4 OLB's. The guy is going to be the pick of the draft.

We very well could have finally hit a home run on an OL in Pettiti. The guy appears to be locking down the RT position. This will make our wiff on the USC wimp much easier to swallow.

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

Ok, yep u must be on something Ben...
"Don't need no stinking ball hawking Safety"
Thats like saying you don't need no QB who can pass...

 

[zagnut]

For the people who are hung up on where Beriault was drafted, I'll point out that the two main guys currently holed up at FS were undrafted and have virtually no playing experience either.

It's rare for a 6th rounder to come in and start at FS, but it's not unheard of either. The Jets did it last year with a 5th rounder - Eric Coleman - and he was terrific. Beriault is at SS as much due to it being easier to learn. Henry even did it at FS and CB as a 4th rounder and had 10 interceptions.

Fact is, neither Davis nor Scott displayed the same kind of game when they were playing vs the scrubs in prior years. Beriault is a big, brainy player with very good range, even on a gimpy knee, a great motor, and a blue collar, professional approach. I don't think he starts from week 1, but I said last night in the game thread, he may be starting at FS by mid season.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

I like Crayton ever since the preseason games last year. My opinion out of the gates was that the guy was clutch. He simply makes plays. He does not drop balls. Parcells said it best when he said that the game was not to big for Crayton. To be honest with you Crayton reminds me a lot of Irvin. He is a big physical tough receiver with good hands...albiet without big speed.

I was not a fan of Romo last year but this year I am solidly in his corner. Up to this point I think he has looked the best out of the 3 QB's in the 2 games so far. He has great pocket presence and control. He is one of those guys that can feel pressure and buy time by taking 3 steps in the right direction at the right time. Although he did have a mental breakdown on the throw to that should have been intercepted by the safety.

Polite has flashed some good things as well. I especially liked the way he got to the in zone in traffic.

Ware is a by product of Parcells knowledge of prototypical 3-4 OLB's. The guy is going to be the pick of the draft.

We very well could have finally hit a home run on an OL in Pettiti. The guy appears to be locking down the RT position. This will make our wiff on the USC wimp much easier to swallow.

Encouraging post ... can't say I disagree.

Romo looks the best IMO also.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

For the people who are hung up on where Beriault was drafted, I'll point out that the two main guys currently holed up at FS were undrafted and have virtually no playing experience either.

It's rare for a 6th rounder to come in and start at FS, but it's not unheard of either. The Jets did it last year with a 5th rounder - Eric Coleman - and he was terrific. Beriault is at SS as much due to it being easier to learn. Henry even did it at FS and CB as a 4th rounder and had 10 interceptions.

Fact is, neither Davis nor Scott displayed the same kind of game when they were playing vs the scrubs in prior years. Beriault is a big, brainy player with very good range, even on a gimpy knee, a great motor, and a blue collar, professional approach. I don't think he starts from week 1, but I said last night in the game thread, he may be starting at FS by mid season.

I agree.

And it's not that they're going to be asked not to cover, just that there is more than one way to skin a cat ...