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I wouldn't call Cromartie a PROJECT just cause he went to a small school, he PROVED during the senior bowl week and in the senior bowl he can matchup with any top W.R.'s skills!
He's 6'-2 runs 4.33 and has great hips, can run with anyone, and has GREAT ball skills on top of it, he's NOT A PROJECT, he'll come in and be fine, besides, he'd only have to be our 3rd C.B. his rookie year and THEN take over opposite Newman in 09'.
He's 6'-2 runs 4.33 and has great hips, can run with anyone, and has GREAT ball skills on top of it, he's NOT A PROJECT, he'll come in and be fine, besides, he'd only have to be our 3rd C.B. his rookie year and THEN take over opposite Newman in 09'.
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No, he proved during the senior bowl that he's tough, has good instincts, is athletic, and has good ball skills. But he absolutely showed that he's very raw as a corner. He's not a guy that you can plug in on day 1 and expect good results. Teams would take advantage of him.ThatsmyQB;1973244 said:
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theogt;1973266 said:
Well then it's a good thing we got Henry and Newman as our starters!
Not many rookie corners can step in and not be taken advantage of though!
He's got all the skill you'd want, when people say PROJECT, I usually think of a guy like Stanback, PROJECT doesn't come to mind with Cromartie!
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Vintage;1973489 said:
your other avatar was better
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how much wait do you want him 2 put on he's already at 197 ray rice is at 199 i guess 10-15 lbs wouldn't be bad. He does run of the middle in case you didn't know. I've never seen him try to out run the defense he always takes what is given to him
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DaBoys4Life;1974680 said:
Care to show me a clip where it doesn't show him simply outrunning people? I'm talking about those clips where he earns the tough yards on the 5-6 yard gains. The clips I have seen show him wanting to be an east-west runner, bouncing runs to the outside to use his speed to simply outrun people.
But if you have the clips I requested, I would be glad to see them.
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BigWillie;1975649 said:
I'm not gonna call him a 1st round pick or be CRAZY and say we should take him at #22, BUT in his defense, he did run ujp the middle on some runs I saw and he didn't SHY AWAY form contact and showed good balance actually when getting hit!
If he a 1st round pick, NO!
If he worth our #22, you'd have to be on drugs!
Is he worth an early to mid 2nd round pick cause of all he brings to the table as a runner/receiver/returner???
ABSOLUTELY!
If we trade down to early 2nd round with one of our 1st rounders, I wouldn't mind him then!
The thing I like about him is his hands and route running, the mismatches you'd have splitting him out on a L.B. or safety would be insane!
Put him AND Barber in the same backfield and old red can come up with some good plays to have some good mismatches and misdirection plays, not to mention he'd improve our return game bigtime also!
He's not a 1st rounder only cause I don't think he'll ever be a full time R.B., BUT for what we need, he'd be a great pick if we traded down to early 2nd round or trade up in round 2 for him wouldn't be a bad thing either!
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BigWillie;1975649 said:
theres a thread call new chris johnson youtube you see him go up the middle get the tuff yards i see him as a more north south runner the only time he bounces it to the outside is when the play is designed to go to the outside i don't see him trying to rush the edge on every single play as you proclaim.
Im not crazy just a genius and i already stated i don't like the draft trades simply take a player with a 1st round grade in the first round. Im glad you are starting to realize how much of an impact he can back. He might not be able to start off as a full time back but he could be one in the future
I wouldn't be sad if we picked him at 22
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Usually there's not 22 people let alone 28 people who are 1st round grades though!!!!!!!!!!!
So you can't just say "SIMPLY" take a player with a 1st round grade, cause if they're all gone by the time we pick with 1st round grades or one that is a 1st round grade but doesn't suit our needs, I.E. Q.B. or T.E., etc., then trading down makes sense at that point!
COULD BE, I dont' want to use a 1st round pick on a guy who COULD be a future #1, I want him to BE a #1 guy off the bat, which is why I wouldn't use a 1st but an early to mid 2nd on him!
I would probably PUKE and throw my controller at my TV and break the TV, he's NOT #22 material, you even said yourself, he might not be able to start off as a full time back and only possibly COULD be one in the future, that's NOT a guy you spend the 22nd pick in round 1 on!
Like I said, I'd PUKE if we picked him at #22, would be UPSET but could understand it a little more if we used our $28 on him if he's the guy we want and no one offers to trade down, but I'd like to trade down in round 1 if he's on our radar and pick him up early round 2, or else see where he falls and if he falls to pick 10 in round 2, then maybe trade up in round 2 to snag him, that would be IDEAL!
Use our #1 pick on DRC or Talib, ONE of those 2 will be available, use our #28 pick on a W.R. like Hardy or Sweed or Thomas, or Jackson, and then trade up in round 2 to snag Johnson, now that I can get on board with!
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DaBoys4Life;1975884 said:
Saw the clips and that is what I am basing it of off. The clips show NOTHING about him running between the tackles, but simply how he can outrun people in the open field.
As I said, I want to see those 5-6 yard gains where he earns the tough yards. I already know he can outrun people. I want him to show me he is a complete back which gives him reason to be drafted this high.
One-dimensional backs earlier in the draft are not high up on my priority list and they should not be on yours either.
The common theme we get from Chris Johnson is the "OH HE SO FAST" that goes around one player every year. Unfortunately, it is Chris Johnson we have to hear about this year.
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if we could draft this, I'd be thrilled.
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jdub2k4;1976801 said:
I think you should switch your round ratings just a tad!
I'd put Desean Jackson on our radar since he's be a WOW player for our offense like Jerry said he'd want.
Adarius Bowman I think no way gets picked in the 1st 2 rounds, not that fast and showed horrific hands in senior bowl week.
Jammal Charles ran a damn good 40 time at the combines and will not last past round 2, he's a definate 2nd rounder, early to mid IMO, Nelson I think could be drafted in round 2 if not definately round 3, I don't think he has any chance of making it to round 4.
you don't have to change anything, I just feel those players are valued a little late is all, and cause you say you'd be happy with Cromartie, Johnson, and Nelson, which would leave me to believe you'd be happy with Nelson as our 2nd round pick, so that's why I suggest you move his rating to a round 2-3 range and not 3-4, don't take this the wrong way, just trying to give oyu my opinion and take it as you wish!
But I think you're dead on with the players you have in your sig that are on our radar!
If we just get DRC in round 1 I'd be happy no matter who else we picked!
Nelson in round 3 Id' be ecstatic!
I'm hoping for a DREAM LIST it would be
Round 1 DRC
Round 1b: Kenny Phillips (He could fall)
2: R.B. Jamaal Charles
3: W.R. Jordy Nelson
That woudl be ideal, not that we needed Phillips, but if we could get DRC and Phillips fell, the value would be so insane we'd have to take him.
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ThatsmyQB;1976291 said:
we don't know what any of these people can do there are some that are instant starters and some that are not. I think we are in a great position we have MB3 so the RB we draft in the 1st round is going to be the starter doesn't have to be the starter and can learn. When it comes time for him to step in and be our #1 he should be able to do that. If DRC is avaible we take him but i doubt that he will. Theres defintley over 30 people with 1st round grades.
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Usually going by teams, there's usually only about 17-25 players each year who have 1st round GRADES by NFL teams!
Take last year, dallas I thnk only had about 22 players with 1st round grades but couldn't pass up getting the Browns #1 pick this year, so they traded it away, but Spencer was still on the board later and he was their last player left with a 1st round grade, which is why they traded back up to get them.
There are 30-40 players we know that could go in round 1, but that doesnt' mean they all have 1st round grade just cause they coudl go i nround 1, liek I said, every year teams have roughly 20 players only with 1st round grades, maybe 20-25 players with 2nd round grades, and maybe 40 players with 3rd round grades, 22 players with 4th round grades, and 60 players with 5th round grades.
I'll look it up for ya, I think Rafael Vela explained it better than I can!
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Here ya go!
Posted: News 10 Feb 2008 9:09 pm CT
Look for Potholes Down the Draft
By Rafael Vela 295 Comments
Last week I wrote a primer on draft board preparation. One of the key traits of boards year in and year out is that the first round is not 32 players deep. Depending on strength of a crop teams will usually rate somewhere between 15 to 25 players as first rounders in a given year.
That said, fans sometimes assume that the subsequent rounds each have more than 32 players in them. But what happens when they don’t?
Let’s follow up the last post, which shows how Dallas found the well empty at their second round pick last year, and take a closer look at that second round.
Word last year, depending on sources and on media reports I read, was that there were approximately 22 or so first rounders. I heard numbers as high as 25. Understand that not all draft boards are the same; one team might have 21, another might have 22 and another might have 25.
One reason Dallas moved back up to get Anthony Spencer is that I believe that he was one of the last of a quartet of players the team had rated as first rounders.
Going forward, the move back up to get Spencer left Dallas with little ammunition to make a second move, and it had to cross its fingers and hope that one of the players it had rated as a solid second rounder was on the board at 53. It was predicted that there was going to be a drop-off around the mid second round. This means the second round was not exactly a full 32 players deep either; if the second round began around pick 24 or 25 and ran dry around pick 50 or 52, this means the second round, like the first, was only about 25 players deep.
Look at Dallas’ behavior. But also, look at New England’s behavior and San Diego’s. Good organizations with highly respected GMs did their utmost to flee the late 2nd.
Dallas picks even later in the first and second rounds this year. This year’s crop is expected to be deeper. Let’s all hope so.
Posted: News 10 Feb 2008 9:09 pm CT
Look for Potholes Down the Draft
By Rafael Vela 295 Comments
Last week I wrote a primer on draft board preparation. One of the key traits of boards year in and year out is that the first round is not 32 players deep. Depending on strength of a crop teams will usually rate somewhere between 15 to 25 players as first rounders in a given year.
That said, fans sometimes assume that the subsequent rounds each have more than 32 players in them. But what happens when they don’t?
Let’s follow up the last post, which shows how Dallas found the well empty at their second round pick last year, and take a closer look at that second round.
Word last year, depending on sources and on media reports I read, was that there were approximately 22 or so first rounders. I heard numbers as high as 25. Understand that not all draft boards are the same; one team might have 21, another might have 22 and another might have 25.
One reason Dallas moved back up to get Anthony Spencer is that I believe that he was one of the last of a quartet of players the team had rated as first rounders.
Going forward, the move back up to get Spencer left Dallas with little ammunition to make a second move, and it had to cross its fingers and hope that one of the players it had rated as a solid second rounder was on the board at 53. It was predicted that there was going to be a drop-off around the mid second round. This means the second round was not exactly a full 32 players deep either; if the second round began around pick 24 or 25 and ran dry around pick 50 or 52, this means the second round, like the first, was only about 25 players deep.
Look at Dallas’ behavior. But also, look at New England’s behavior and San Diego’s. Good organizations with highly respected GMs did their utmost to flee the late 2nd.
Dallas picks even later in the first and second rounds this year. This year’s crop is expected to be deeper. Let’s all hope so.