My Vastly Different Take on the Romo INT

Yakuza Rich said:
It's not a stupid play. I just think Romo tends to overthink some things and expects that his players will be on the same page. It's not Madden where you can just audible until your heart is content and the receivers will understand and a lot of it has to do with what Williams sees as the coverage.

I just think Romo should have hiked the ball earlier and not made that last audible or he should have called timeout, re-evaluated and come up with a new play.
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I agree with you Ninja and Yakuza Rich. I have thought Romo for so long has paralysis by analysis. Think long think wrong. How many other times has Romo said it's the receivers fault for not running the right route that he was intercepted. More than it should be. If this continues to happen, as it does, then something is wrong and JG, Romo must do something to change it and quit blaming someone else. If it is in fact someone else's fault. then quit doing the lab rat routine, i.e., going in door number 1 and getting hit over the head. I've felt for so long that if they limit Romo's audibles at the line to near zero it would drastically drop the pre snap penalties and his interceptions.

I would like to see where Romo ranks in QBs that call the most audibles. I would like to see Romo up under center more with his hands under the Centers posterior and with that his hands are not able to sign to other players. Also, someone needs to tell him he's holding the ball way to long. So many times he gives the team the only chance to succeed, but often some of the things he does is not done to guarantee team success. Always been a mixed bag for me.




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Blaming Romo, that's something we never hear. Even Norm and Donovan on the Cowboys post game said it was on Williams
 
RXP said:
From a strictly execution perspective, it was all on Williams. But questioning why Williams is the target on that play is legitimate. You've got Dez. You've got Miles. You've got Witten. You've even got DeMarco out of the backfield as an option. Why are you going to a rookie playing his first game in such a crucial situation? In an offense that is timing based when it is imperative that the WR and QB are on the same page?

I guess if it works nobody asks those questions. But it didn't.
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If Romo hits that pass and continues to hit the rookie a few more times, then it changes how the defense is playing. They have to start accounting for the rookie as well as Witten, Dez, Austin, and Murray and it becomes even more difficult for defenses. It would open things up considerably for everyone else.

I honestly believe that Romo and/or Garrett and Callahan want to get the rookie involved just for that reason. They wanted to hit Williams to make the Giants pay for playing Dez the way they were.

It didn't work Sunday night... but it will. With Williams or Harris or someone else, it will - and when it does, things will go to the next level for the offense and things will become increasingly difficult for defenses.

It is a long season and the Cowboys arrow is pointing straight up. It's gonna be fun.
 
Vtwin said:
What I find interesting is that this play was not that much different than the infamous Jets interception. Different routes I know but same principal. In the Jets game Dez did exactly what Williams did. He ran the route, recognized the defender crashing the out and tried to take advantage of that by breaking it down field. Had he not done that, at best Dez muscles the ball in, at worst he fights off the interception.

Williams did pretty much exactly the same thing with the same result.

Somehow it was all Romo's fault in the Jets game and all Williams fault in the Giants game.

I place the fault on the receivers for the most part. It's a precision timing game. You just can't be surprising your QB.

Whether Romo made the right play call is completely irrelevant to the interception.
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You are right about the Jets game.
If that exact play and throw occurred this year, Dez makes that catch.
I still didn't like Romo throwing toward Revis in that situation. But good receivers fight for that ball and even interfere to prevent a defender from out muscling him.

What happened this past Sunday was much more clear cut. Zero debate on what happened. The WR was 100% at fault, but he will get better.
 
ninja said:
Blaming WR Williams is in my opinion missing the big picture and who should shoulder the burden of blame. The more I see this play, the more I look to Romo for blame.

It is 3rd and 11 (basically 3rd and goal since they were so close). The team is in FG range. Don't do anything STUPID should be the philosophy. How does Romo look at that coverage and audible to a 4-5 yard slant on 3rd and 11 into the teeth of the defense is beyond me. The CB is clearly taking away the slant and there are two defenders nearby in the area. The odds of that slant picking up the first are slim to none. Further compounding the problem is Romo seems to audible to the slant to a rookie WR 3-4 seconds before the playclock expires and has to hurry up and beg for the ball to be snapped at 1 second. Romo is in shotgun and takes one or two small steps back and is under no pressure to speak of. Romo then forces the slant even though the WR is clearly not in any position to succeed. This appears to be Romo's first and only read on the play and he stubbornly forced the ball. Romo did not look anywhere else and was under no pressure and decided to force a 5 yard slant on 3rd and 11 with the CB draped on the WR.

Romo is a seasoned vet and should know better. A) It was a horrible play call and/or audible knowing the down and distance and field location from the get-go. B) Forced the pass while under no pressure. C) Romo had plenty of time to see the defense on that play and thought a slant would somehow work.

Sure, Williams is to blame for not running what he was supposed to. However, that play should have never been audibled to (or should have been audibled out if Callahan called it). And the ball definitely should have never left Romo's hand. Seems to me poor overall field management on the QB from the get-go on that play.

I could be wrong. Just a little different take on it. I'm not a Romo hater by the way. He played well and managed the game well overall.

I hope it was 3rd and 11 on that play or I make little sense :)
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I agree with the OP. I was more mad at Romo and Garrett for having a rookie in the lineup at that critical time. And I blame Romo more for throwing at him. Romo should know better. He is a rookie playing against the Giants on Sunday Night football. Yes, I know, he's a pro now and getting paid and has been practicing, but you have to develop a trust factor with the QB. I just wonder why it wasn't Harris in there and not Williams.
 
I mean come on guys, if you look at the replay Romo started signaling the audible with 3 seconds left in the play clock then rushed to get the snap off. This type of disarray pre-snap is leading to a lot of the miscommunication issues and some of the false starts IMO. Only so long you can blame the Kevin Ogletrees and Martellus Bennetts of the world when they are no longer here yet the communication issues remain. He needs to stop being so cute or at the the very least get out of the huddle quicker so that we can avoid Romo's cram sessions pre-snap.
 
Zordon said:
I mean come on guys, if you look at the replay Romo started signaling the audible with 3 seconds left in the play clock then rushed to get the snap off. This type of disarray pre-snap is leading to a lot of the miscommunication issues and some of the false starts IMO. Only so long you can blame the Kevin Ogletrees and Martellus Bennetts of the world when they are no longer here yet the communication issues remain. He needs to stop being so cute or at the the very least get out of the huddle quicker so that we can avoid Romo's cram sessions pre-snap.
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Exactly. If you step back from the trees (Rookie WR Williams running wrong route) and look at the forest (audibling late, snap at 1 second, horrible pre-snap read, forced pass under minimal pressure, careless blind timing pass in red zone, and 5 yard pass on 3rd and 11, etc) you see 'the bigger picture.'

The players were not put into the best possible situation to succeed on that play. It was obvious from the get-go. That part is not on rookie WR Williams. That is on Romo and Garrett and Callahan who should know better. And if they can't figure it out, the red zone woes will continue.
 
your need to blame romo is hilarious.

If the Rookie is not trustworthy the responsibility to figure that out is the Coaching Staff. NOT ROMO. If he is in the game romo is expected to use him.
 
ninja said:
Exactly. If you step back from the trees (Rookie WR Williams running wrong route) and look at the forest (audibling late, snap at 1 second, horrible pre-snap read, forced pass under minimal pressure, careless blind timing pass in red zone, and 5 yard pass on 3rd and 11, etc) you see 'the bigger picture.'

The players were not put into the best possible situation to succeed on that play. It was obvious from the get-go. That part is not on rookie WR Williams. That is on Romo and Garrett and Callahan who should know better. And if they can't figure it out, the red zone woes will continue.
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Exactly. We have had problems in the redzone for how many years now? Something is causing them and there are only a few common denominators here. We had the problems before WIlliams was on the team. Sure, he missed a signal but again, why would Romo Audible with just a few seconds on the clock to a rookie and expect everything to go smooth? It's thinking like this that gets us in trouble in the redzone and we go from getting sure points to giving the other team points.

On a side note.. Murray stopping that guy at the one was HUGE!
 
ufcrules1 said:
Yeah, that is your opinion only. Not end of story.
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This isn't an instance where an opinion is involved. A WR should NEVER allow the defender to cross his face. Period.

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But you're a regular Romo hater so I'll just put you on ignore and go about my business.
 
Zordon said:
I mean come on guys, if you look at the replay Romo started signaling the audible with 3 seconds left in the play clock then rushed to get the snap off. This type of disarray pre-snap is leading to a lot of the miscommunication issues and some of the false starts IMO. Only so long you can blame the Kevin Ogletrees and Martellus Bennetts of the world when they are no longer here yet the communication issues remain. He needs to stop being so cute or at the the very least get out of the huddle quicker so that we can avoid Romo's cram sessions pre-snap.
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ninja said:
Exactly. If you step back from the trees (Rookie WR Williams running wrong route) and look at the forest (audibling late, snap at 1 second, horrible pre-snap read, forced pass under minimal pressure, careless blind timing pass in red zone, and 5 yard pass on 3rd and 11, etc) you see 'the bigger picture.'

The players were not put into the best possible situation to succeed on that play. It was obvious from the get-go. That part is not on rookie WR Williams. That is on Romo and Garrett and Callahan who should know better. And if they can't figure it out, the red zone woes will continue.
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Good Grief. If the Giants show one look then show blitz then the game plan will call for a hot read. Romo called it and the rookie saw it, too. He just didn't run the route and let the CB blow the route up. Even if the Giants knew where the hot read was going they shouldn't be able to cut in front of the receiver and become the receiver. Williams has played football long enough to understand that.

ufcrules1 said:
Exactly. We have had problems in the redzone for how many years now? Something is causing them and there are only a few common denominators here. We had the problems before WIlliams was on the team. Sure, he missed a signal but again, why would Romo Audible with just a few seconds on the clock to a rookie and expect everything to go smooth? It's thinking like this that gets us in trouble in the redzone and we go from getting sure points to giving the other team points.

On a side note.. Murray stopping that guy at the one was HUGE!
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Our problems in the RZ have nothing to do with waiting for the defense to declare its intentions. There are valid reason to wait for them to show their hand. The reason we have problems in the RZ comes from primarily being one dimensional down there. If you can't run the ball when close then you have problems. The field gets small down there and your route options are limited as well as there being a lot of guys in coverage. If we aren't able to run in the RZ esp near the goal line then we will have problems scoring again. If he hadn't audibled out of the situation then you'd be complaining about taking a sack. And I'd be complaining with you why didn't Romo see the blitz coming and make them pay for it.

The assertion Romo and/or coaching caused that problem or other problems in the RZ is just not reasonable.
 
jobberone said:
The reason we have problems in the RZ comes from primarily being one dimensional down there. If you can't run the ball when close then you have problems. The field gets small down there and your route options are limited as well as there being a lot of guys in coverage. If we aren't able to run in the RZ esp near the goal line then we will have problems scoring again. If he hadn't audibled out of the situation then you'd be complaining about taking a sack. And I'd be complaining with you why didn't Romo see the blitz coming and make them pay for it.The assertion Romo and/or coaching caused that problem or other problems in the RZ is just not reasonable.
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First off we had no problems running the ball against the Giants, second.. you're assuming I would have had a problem with Romo taking a sack is just that.. an assumption. Actually, I would be HAPPY with Romo taking a sack (If he couldn't escape the pressure) and us putting points on the board. Instead he audibles at the last second and throws to a rookie who has already shown a tendency of running the wrong routes. Heck, a rookie that shouldn't have been playing in such a big game when we have someone like Harris who is has way more experience and smarts out there. Sure, running the wrong route was the receivers fault, but taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture brings some important questions up. Why was Williams starting over Harris in such a huge game? Why would Romo audible with a few seconds on the clock and throw to a rookie who has been known to run the wrong routes? There is a whole chain of events/poor decisions that led up to that moment and ultimately culminated in the Giants scoring points and us not getting any.

I'm sorry but Romo and the play calling are also valid reasons we struggle inside the redzone and Sunday proved that. (He had a running game, he had time to throw, so what other excuse do you have?) He threw a few passes in that game in which I had no clue who he was even throwing the ball to. Over throws, under throws, passes WAY short of the sticks, etc.

We had 5 turnovers and Eli was at the 50 marching down the field to put us away. How does that happen? Poor running inside the redzone? Not enough blocking from the Oline? Or bad play calling, dumb short passes short of the goal line, and just over all poor decision making?
 
ninja said:
Blaming WR Williams is in my opinion missing the big picture and who should shoulder the burden of blame. The more I see this play, the more I look to Romo for blame.

It is 3rd and 11 (basically 3rd and goal since they were so close). The team is in FG range. Don't do anything STUPID should be the philosophy. How does Romo look at that coverage and audible to a 4-5 yard slant on 3rd and 11 into the teeth of the defense is beyond me. The CB is clearly taking away the slant and there are two defenders nearby in the area. The odds of that slant picking up the first are slim to none. Further compounding the problem is Romo seems to audible to the slant to a rookie WR 3-4 seconds before the playclock expires and has to hurry up and beg for the ball to be snapped at 1 second. Romo is in shotgun and takes one or two small steps back and is under no pressure to speak of. Romo then forces the slant even though the WR is clearly not in any position to succeed. This appears to be Romo's first and only read on the play and he stubbornly forced the ball. Romo did not look anywhere else and was under no pressure and decided to force a 5 yard slant on 3rd and 11 with the CB draped on the WR.

Romo is a seasoned vet and should know better. A) It was a horrible play call and/or audible knowing the down and distance and field location from the get-go. B) Forced the pass while under no pressure. C) Romo had plenty of time to see the defense on that play and thought a slant would somehow work.

Sure, Williams is to blame for not running what he was supposed to. However, that play should have never been audibled to (or should have been audibled out if Callahan called it). And the ball definitely should have never left Romo's hand. Seems to me poor overall field management on the QB from the get-go on that play.

I could be wrong. Just a little different take on it. I'm not a Romo hater by the way. He played well and managed the game well overall.

I hope it was 3rd and 11 on that play or I make little sense :)
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Extremely good points. I too thought it was a dumb decision.
 
ufcrules1 said:
First off we had no problems running the ball against the Giants, second.. you're assuming I would have had a problem with Romo taking a sack is just that.. an assumption. Actually, I would be HAPPY with Romo taking a sack (If he couldn't escape the pressure) and us putting points on the board. Instead he audibles at the last second and throws to a rookie who has already shown a tendency of running the wrong routes. Heck, a rookie that shouldn't have been playing in such a big game when we have someone like Harris who is has way more experience and smarts out there. Sure, running the wrong route was the receivers fault, but taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture brings some important questions up. Why was Williams starting over Harris in such a huge game? Why would Romo audible with a few seconds on the clock and throw to a rookie who has been known to run the wrong routes? There is a whole chain of events/poor decisions that led up to that moment and ultimately culminated in the Giants scoring points and us not getting any.

I'm sorry but Romo and the play calling are also valid reasons we struggle inside the redzone and Sunday proved that. (He had a running game, he had time to throw, so what other excuse do you have?) He threw a few passes in that game in which I had no clue who he was even throwing the ball to. Over throws, under throws, passes WAY short of the sticks, etc.

We had 5 turnovers and Eli was at the 50 marching down the field to put us away. How does that happen? Poor running inside the redzone? Not enough blocking from the Oline? Or bad play calling, dumb short passes short of the goal line, and just over all poor decision making?
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Eh, it was 27-10 when the defense gave up two quick scoring drives. In between that the offense had a nice long FG drive. So it got to 30-24 quickly because of the defensive letdown. Not bashing them at all because they responded and put the game away. You as usual are wayyy overstating how Romo played to fit your never ending compulsion. Romo managed the game well, especially considering how hurt he was in the 2nd half. OMG he had a "few" bad passes wow he completed 70 percent.

We won and Romo led the way on offense. Deal with it
 
Staubacher said:
Eh, it was 27-10 when the defense gave up two quick scoring drives. In between that the offense had a nice long FG drive. So it got to 30-24 quickly because of the defensive letdown. Not bashing them at all because they responded and put the game away. You as usual are wayyy overstating how Romo played to fit your never ending compulsion. Romo managed the game well, especially considering how hurt he was in the 2nd half. OMG he had a "few" bad passes wow he completed 70 percent.

We won and Romo led the way on offense. Deal with it
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That's just it.. our score should have been higher than 27 points at that point, but due to our poor play in the redzone it wasn't. And yeah, it was all the defenses fault when they had 6 turnovers.:rolleyes:
 
ufcrules just cannot fight his addiction to his romo hate. One should feel sorry for him.
 
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