Myles Jack - What Am I Missing Here

[Irvin88_4life]

This..

You're going to take a guy like Myles Jack over a guy who could potentially be a franchise QB in Wentz.

Not everybody feels the same about Wentz. While you think Wentz is a franchise QB some think Jack can be a franchise all pro LB. To be honest nobody knows anything how they will turn out

 

[Irvin88_4life]

QB is a completely different animal when comes to draft. There aren't even 32 quality starters in the NFL right now so they are at premium. If you think you got a starting QB at your pick then you need to seriously consider that.

As with rest....I disagree that LB aren't at premium. If you got a special player regardless of position you need to take him. He will make splash plays for you. Int, pass defended, fumble etc. He's a game changer. Not to mention he's also a better goal line RB than anything we got right now.

Denver shouldn't have taken Miller at number 2 cause he was a LB......haha people just throw things out and hope it sticks

 

[TheFinisher]

Myles Jack plays with so much more physicality than people realize. It's kind of funny when I see people tag him as a finesse LB that needs extra protection from his DLine... then I can just cross them off as someone who forms opinions without ever having watched a player. Or someone who thinks size is the only factor in generating power.

His generation of power and snap is freakish, it's clear as day when you see him take on and meet blockers. He absolutely rocks them.

 

[texbumthelife]

Myles Jack plays with so much more physicality than people realize. It's kind of funny when I see people tag him as a finesse LB that needs extra protection from his DLine... then I can just cross them off as someone who forms opinions without ever having watched a player. Or someone who thinks size is the only factor in generating power.

His generation of power and snap is freakish, it's clear as day when you see him take on and meet blockers. He absolutely rocks them.

I've watched everything I could find on Jack and I still think he is going to have trouble disengaging from blockers in the NFL. He's a tremendous athlete and he definitely shows pop at the point of contact, but NFL linemen are going to be able to turn him. He's going to have to find a balance between freakish athleticism and playing a little more disciplined.

Mind you, most of this is in relation to him playing in the middle. If he gets to play the weak side, I don't think much of this is an issue because he'll be in much more of a chase down role and less of role of taking on blockers.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I've watched everything I could find on Jack and I still think he is going to have trouble disengaging from blockers in the NFL. He's a tremendous athlete and he definitely shows pop at the point of contact, but NFL linemen are going to be able to turn him. He's going to have to find a balance between freakish athleticism and playing a little more disciplined.

Mind you, most of this is in relation to him playing in the middle. If he gets to play the weak side, I don't think much of this is an issue because he'll be in much more of a chase down role and less of role of taking on blockers.

I love them describing him as a bully and the fact of his physicality and block deconstruction ability that mitigates the taking on blocks issue.

He needs seasoning and Sean and Eberflus will need to get him in the film room to be sure.

However, all the tools are there but as most prospects he needs to be coached up and having Lee as mentor would be critical.

If the Cowboys were to draft Jack, they would need to figure out if moving Lee back to the middle would be best or simply plug Jack in the middle and coach him up!

 

[ghst187]

is his value in the nfl as a cover lb diminished because from that position he can be rubbed off, pick play when teams know where he will be against a certain offense set?.....its a question,

now...from a SS position...................

Nothing against Jack at all, he may be the next kuechly I don't know but I just can't bring myself to consider using the four pick on the LB position. It's like using a top five pick on a OG, the value just isn't there because there are lots of other positions that are harder to get great talent at, Good LBs can be found all over the draft.

 

[Risen Star]

Nothing against Jack at all, he may be the next kuechly I don't know but I just can't bring myself to consider using the four pick on the LB position. It's like using a top five pick on a OG, the value just isn't there because there are lots of other positions that are harder to get great talent at, Good LBs can be found all over the draft.

What do you think about taking a cornerback in the top 5?

 

[ghst187]

QB is a completely different animal when comes to draft. There aren't even 32 quality starters in the NFL right now so they are at premium. If you think you got a starting QB at your pick then you need to seriously consider that.

As with rest....I disagree that LB aren't at premium. If you got a special player regardless of position you need to take him. He will make splash plays for you. Int, pass defended, fumble etc. He's a game changer. Not to mention he's also a better goal line RB than anything we got right now.

I'm just saying you can find great LBers throughout the draft. If you have a LB just slightly ranked ahead of a skill position guy you have to take the skill position guy, they are much harder to come by.

 

[ghst187]

What do you think about taking a cornerback in the top 5?

I just don't see one this year that does it for me. The top of this draft is meh overall.
For our situation, I think if there's a top QB there at four AND our scouts think he could be a franchise guy and bridge to the future I'd have to go that route.

 

[Risen Star]

I just don't see one this year that does it for me. The top of this draft is meh overall.
For our situation, I think if there's a top QB there at four AND our scouts think he could be a franchise guy and bridge to the future I'd have to go that route.

No, I mean in general. Like you don't want to take an OG or LB high. What do you think about taking a CB in the top 5 of a draft?

 

[texbumthelife]

No, I mean in general. Like you don't want to take an OG or LB high. What do you think about taking a CB in the top 5 of a draft?

I think he is in the "QB or bust", crowd.

 

[CATCH17]

Not everybody feels the same about Wentz. While you think Wentz is a franchise QB some think Jack can be a franchise all pro LB. To be honest nobody knows anything how they will turn out

And how many all pro LBs are even worth a top 5 pick that play in a 4-3?

 

[Irvin88_4life]

And how many all pro LBs are even worth a top 5 pick that play in a 4-3?

Would you not want a Luke Kuechly on the team if you could draft him at 4 or 5 instead of 7 where he went?

 

[ghst187]

I think he is in the "QB or bust", crowd.

QB or trade down.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Denver shouldn't have taken Miller at number 2 cause he was a LB......haha people just throw things out and hope it sticks

Von Miller was drafted to be a premium pass rusher, those guys are worth a top 5 pick. However, Jack is not a pass rusher, he is strictly a coverage linebacker and guys like that don't get picked in the top 5. Here is the numbers for Miller and Jack.

Von Miller sacks in college...........33

Myles Jack sacks in college..........1


HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!................when was the last time a non-pass rushing LB was drafted in the top 5?

 

[Beast_from_East]

What do you think about taking a cornerback in the top 5?

That is how most great franchises are built Risen, please try to keep up...................and this guy says hello.

 

[texbumthelife]

QB or trade down.

Cool. I totally understand that. Wasn't meant as a call out or anything.

 

[CATCH17]

Would you not want a Luke Kuechly on the team if you could draft him at 4 or 5 instead of 7 where he went?

So out of all the LBs in the league we have 1 in Kuechly and even he is a maybe as a top 5 pick.

So Myles Jack has to go on to hopefully be as good as Kuechly?

It's just not worth it. He won't be a game changer from that position because game changers from that position hardly exist.

 

[Beast_from_East]

So out of all the LBs in the league we have 1 in Kuechly and even he is a maybe as a top 5 pick.

So Myles Jack has to go on to hopefully be as good as Kuechly?

It's just not worth it. He won't be a game changer from that position because game changers from that position hardly exist.

Yep, I keep asking the same question.....how many non-pass rushing LBs have been drafted in the top 5 and the only name I have heard is Kuechly and he was not even picked in the top 5 himself.

So if we take Jack at 4, that will be the highest anybody in the league has drafted a cover LB...............and people are ok with this?


All I am going to say is that he dam well better cover like Deion freaking Sanders if I am using a top 5 pick on him.

 

[btcutter]

Yep, I keep asking the same question.....how many non-pass rushing LBs have been drafted in the top 5 and the only name I have heard is Kuechly and he was not even picked in the top 5 himself.

So if we take Jack at 4, that will be the highest anybody in the league has drafted a cover LB...............and people are ok with this?


All I am going to say is that he dam well better cover like Deion freaking Sanders if I am using a top 5 pick on him.

Issue with this line of thinking is that look at who was picked in front of the likes of Kuechly, Willis, Urlacher and Lewis? Many bust and meh career players. If those GMs could turn back time and do the draft over these LBS would go in the top 5.

Perhaps it's the line of thinking that needs changing.