Myth of no open receivers

[DallasDW00ds0n]

So do you want our Rookie qb to fail or do you actually get your jollies out of his struggles in this game?

Even Eagles fans aren't having this attitude towards Wentz and he hadn't been half as good as Dak this year

Thats the wrong reaction to Daks criticism. When you play bad, you get ripped. Cant take it? You probably wont last long in the league. Need to be babied and saved from critique? You absolutely wont last long in this league.


No one loves Dak more than Dallas fans, but first and foremost, were Dallas fans and the players change year to year. When you stink, you stink. We want to win.

 

[bsbellomy]

I don't need all 22 to tell me that if there is a corner underneath and a safety trailing in the middle of the field, you throw it over the corner to the outside of the WR. If Beasley doesn't read that dead spot in the zone and get there, but the ball does, it's on him.

Beasley being open there is so obvious I can't even believe that people are debating it.

Actually you are wrong because one Safety from the Giants has a harpoon like Scorpion from Mortal Kombat and the other one can Superman dive like Raiden.

 

[CapnCook]

Romo won that 5 INT game.

Dak may have too without the Dez fumble. Who knows.

 

[Zman5]

Are you going to answer the question? Wouldn't Beasley be facing the ball by the time the ball got to him, 20+ yards further down the field?

And Dak wasn't worried about the very late blitzing linebacker who was 7+ yards away from him at the time of the throw. When the ball left his hand, there was no one within 3 yards of him. He could have thrown the pass to Beasley at the exact same time as he threw the pass to Dunbar.

Why don't you answer my question since you created this thread implying Dak has missed easy throws to wide open receivers?

So are you still saying Dak "missed" a wide open Beasley for an easy pitch and catch?

 

[flosho]

There were open receivers on virtually ever pass play. Some of them were painfully obvious. Some of them would have required tight windows. But this myth of no open receivers is nonsense. Honestly, I got tired of cutting and circling images.

Throwing to anyone in that photo will guarantee you are picked off. Running to the right throwing across your body into at least 3 giants players' zones.

 

[theogt]

Why don't you answer my question since you created this thread implying Dak has missed easy throws to wide open receivers?

So are you still saying Dak "missed" a wide open Beasley for an easy pitch and catch?

I'll answer your question -- yes, I think Dak missed an easy pitch and catch for a potential game winner.

Now, are you going to answer my question?

 

[theogt]

Throwing to anyone in that photo will guarantee you are picked off. Running to the right throwing across your body into at least 3 giants players' zones.

The linebacker in front of Dez was crashing down to cover Witten and nearly picked off the ball when he threw it. That left Dez wide open.

 

[Kevinicus]

Throwing to anyone in that photo will guarantee you are picked off. Running to the right throwing across your body into at least 3 giants players' zones.

He MIGHT be able to lob it in to Dez there, but it would be extremely risky.

I would agree this is not a good example. This looks like a play where you hold it a little longer to see if anyone comes free and then just throw it away. Maybe lob it over Zeke's head to the sideline and potentially pick up a few yards at most.

This is one where a still isn't the best.

 

[Zman5]

I'll answer your question -- yes, I think Dak missed an easy pitch and catch for a potential game winner.

Now, are you going to answer my question?

No he would not be completely facing the qb if he could even have gotten the pass off cleanly.

 

[Ultra Warrior]

Dak may have too without the Dez fumble. Who knows.

True. Game was still within reach.

 

[theogt]

No he would not be completely facing the qb if he could even have gotten the pass off cleanly.

Two quick questions for you:

1. Was Beasley facing the QB when the ball was in the air to Dunbar?
2. Does the ball have to travel further to Beasley than to Dunbar?

 

[Zman5]

Two quick questions for you:

1. Was Beasley facing the QB when the ball was in the air to Dunbar?
2. Does the ball have to travel further to Beasley than to Dunbar?

First of all, you are basing all this on the ball thrown to Dunbar. A floater dump pass that is typically thrown softly. A pass that needed to be thrown to Beasely is going to have more velocity.

For you to say this was a easy pitch and catch is total BS. This wasn't a play like the TD pass to TWill where he was wide open. Not even close.

Dak had pressure coming from a blitzing LB and a DL in front of him. Beasley is not a big easy target especially further he get away from LOS. And given the context (2nd and 15), Dak couldn't afford to get sacked. At worst he needed to get positive yardage so that 3rd down would be manageable. And he did that. 3rd and 15 would have been much more difficult than 3rd and 10.

Given the fact that he was able to complete the pass to Dez on the 3rd down proves that Dak did what he needed to do to keep the drive alive.

You posted pics of all the check down/short route receivers that are open that Dak didn't throw to. Now you are busting on Dak for checking it down to Dunbar instead of possible bigger play to Bease. Talk about pushing an agenda.

 

[theogt]

First of all, you are basing all this on the ball thrown to Dunbar. A floater dump pass that is typically thrown softly. A pass that needed to be thrown to Beasely is going to have more velocity.

For you to say this was a easy pitch and catch is total BS. This wasn't a play like the TD pass to TWill where he was wide open. Not even close.

Dak had pressure coming from a blitzing LB and a DL in front of him. Beasley is not a big easy target especially further he get away from LOS. And given the context (2nd and 15), Dak couldn't afford to get sacked. At worst he needed to get positive yardage so that 3rd down would be manageable. And he did that. 3rd and 15 would have been much more difficult than 3rd and 10.

Given the fact that he was able to complete the pass to Dez on the 3rd down proves that Dak did what he needed to do to keep the drive alive.

You posted pics of all the check down/short route receivers that are open that Dak didn't throw to. Now you are busting on Dak for checking it down to Dunbar instead of possible bigger play to Bease. Talk about pushing an agenda.

FYI, the ball to Dunbar was in the air for less than a complete second. And during most of that second, Beasley was facing the QB. But if you think a throw to Beasley would have been quicker than a throw to Dunbar, then more power to you. I don't know what laws of physics your world abides by, but I'm sure it's a pretty trippy experience. Enjoy.

 

[Texas_Pete]

Sometimes when they get open...



SMH

 

[AzorAhai]

FYI, the ball to Dunbar was in the air for less than a complete second. And during most of that second, Beasley was facing the QB. But if you think a throw to Beasley would have been quicker than a throw to Dunbar, then more power to you. I don't know what laws of physics your world abides by, but I'm sure it's a pretty trippy experience. Enjoy.

You're wasting your time with that one. He obviously is the one pushing his agenda and facts, proof, reason be damned, you're going to be wrong.

 

[Jack Burton]

Sometimes when they get open...



SMH

What the what?

 

[Zman5]

FYI, the ball to Dunbar was in the air for less than a complete second. And during most of that second, Beasley was facing the QB. But if you think a throw to Beasley would have been quicker than a throw to Dunbar, then more power to you. I don't know what laws of physics your world abides by, but I'm sure it's a pretty trippy experience. Enjoy.

So Beasley is facing LOS when the ball is in the air? And which LOS would that be?

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[Romotil45]

Had the ball been thrown to Beasley at the time Dak threw the ball it would have either hit Beasley on the back or his side as Bease is turning at best.

Then that would be beases fault you don't wait for recievers to look back. This has been explained to you over n over. I could post video of literally thousands of passes of NFL QBs releasing a ball even before a player makes his break on a route much less looking back.

 

[Romotil45]

So do you want our Rookie qb to fail or do you actually get your jollies out of his struggles in this game?

Even Eagles fans aren't having this attitude towards Wentz and he hadn't been half as good as Dak this year

I like Dak alot believe he is the future and his future looks bright. I was fine allowing him to get as much experience as possible even when Romo was healthy I said leave him out there no need to rush Romo back because we were winning. But it's getting close to playoff time and you have to put your best team on the field. Romos just better than Dak right now so you have to play him because in the playoffs their is no tomorrow when you loose. Some might say " you don't know Romo is better" fair enough but his years of experience and 3rd highest passer rating in league history and the way he looked in 14' means you need to find out. So put him out there in find out I predict even a rusty Romo is better than Daks performance last 3 games. You have to find out. If he stinks it up you go back to Dak.

 

[Zman5]

Then that would be beases fault you don't wait for recievers to look back. This has been explained to you over n over. I could post video of literally thousands of passes of NFL QBs releasing a ball even before a player makes his break on a route much less looking back.

I know all about it. That's not the point of my post. So if you can't follow along. Don't bother making comments that's has nothing to do with my original point.