Name one deal thus far in FA

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ABQCOWBOY said:
It's absolutely true. I didn't say ILBs. I said LBs and Hitchens didn't play ILB. He was moved to MLB this past year. We don't know that he will play ILB for the Chiefs. The fact that he was able to move inside should not be held against him. The fact that he could should be more reason why he is valuable to the team IMO.
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He's not an OLB in a 3-4, which KC plays. He's replacing Derrick Johnson inside.

And here in Dallas, he'd be primarily a MLB with Lee at WILL and the talk of Smith going to SAM. Plus with Garrett saying Smith and Lee likely would be the nickel backers, paying Hitchens Top 5 ILB where he then would likely come off the field on 3rd downs would be an overpay.
 
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So far for me of only deals I see the $ announced:
Andre Smith, Donald Stephenson, Christian Jones, Muhammad Wilkerson, Senio Kelemete, Bradley McDougal, and the Danny Shelton trade. All sensible moves that would have improved the Cowboys
 

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According to Rapoport the Eagles havent even signed Ngata hahhahaahahaha

He was deciding between staying another year with the Lions or jumping ship and joining the Eagles.

Makes the Ngata answers look even worse.
 
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unionjack8 said:
3 out if 32 teams have added no new players

Seattle
Pittsburgh
Dallas..
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Pittsburgh also follows the Dallas/GB roster building modus operandi, although GB may be moving away from that now that they have a new GM.

Also, Ngata hasn't even signed with the Eagles yet.
 
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Sydla said:
He's not an OLB in a 3-4, which KC plays. He's replacing Derrick Johnson inside.

And here in Dallas, he'd be primarily a MLB with Lee at WILL and the talk of Smith going to SAM. Plus with Garrett saying Smith and Lee likely would be the nickel backers, paying Hitchens Top 5 ILB where he then would likely come off the field on 3rd downs would be an overpay.
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I have seen nothing that confirms what KC is going to do with Hitchens. If you have, please post it as I would be interested in reading it. However, I do believe it's reasonable to project him to that role.

For the sake of discussion, lets say that this is what KC is going to do with him. Lets say that Hitchens will be the Jack or the Off Inside LB. KC payed Derrick Johnson 21 million for a 3 year deal in 16. That's an average of 7 million a year then. In 2010, KC payed Johnson 30 million for a 5 year deal, or an average of 6 million a year then. KC pays that position because of what it is expected to do and what it produces. Johnson was a very productive player for KC and they payed him like it. If KC is planning on using Hitchens in that role, then it makes sense that they would pay him because that position is key to their scheme. That position must be able to cover and play the run. In that scheme, it makes all the plays.

If your point is that because it's an ILB and as such, it does not get paid because the value of the position is not there, that's just wrong. In that scheme, it's the Mike ILB that doesn't get paid well. That guy, who for KC would probably be Reggie Ragland, is the one who eats blocks, who keeps the Jack clean, in order to allow the Off ILB to flow to the ball.

KC, over the last several years, has been pretty good Defensively, overall. They evaluate Defensive talent pretty well, and they field pretty good defensive units IMO. If they signed Hitchens to be that do-it-all LB and payed him the way they did, then that would suggest to me that they see him as a player with considerable skills and place a high value on him.

JMO
 
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Sydla said:
He had 11 sacks last year.

This team was a middle of the road team in terms of pass rush even with Lawrence. Peppers would have been a plus here.

Peppers for one year at $5MM would have been a great move for the Cowboys.
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That's true but he stayed with the Panthers for that money. It would have likely cost the Cowboys more than that because he wanted to stay in Carolina.
 
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Idgit said:
Kind of a no-brainer for a team looking for a speed WR, which we ought to have been.

I can't get what the 49ers are thinking, letting Hyde walk and then giving McKinnon 4/$30MM. That's crazy.
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They are planning on him toting the rock, a lot. That's what it says. He is a pretty good back.

Hyde isn't the same runner McKinnon is. He was probably under rated in Minnesota.

Sounds like they want a big experienced back to protect Garroppolo who can pound the rock,some speed for a bigger guy and pass protect.
 
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My thinking has been that you build a winning team through the draft, but if you think you are close to having THE TEAM, then you might grab a good FA or two.

Now, we are not active in FA and I think we still have some pieces missing so ....
 
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ABQCOWBOY said:
Oh, I don't think so. If what I'm reading is right, Hitchens contract isn't even in the top 10. It's not even close. There are something like 18 LBs who make 9 million or more, as of last year. There are 30 who average 7 million a year, or more, as of last year. Your comparison of jelly beans and quicksand are a little off IMO.
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OvertheCap.com has Hitchens as the 5th highest paid ILB behind Kuechly, Wagner, Ogletree and Barron.

edit: Based on the ridiculous parameters set that would include 3-4 OLBs like Von Miller, Justin Houston and the like, yes, Hitchens would be 18th overall. Of course, that's like including soccer mom vans as SUVs. They're just not the same thing.
 
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RoboQB said:
OvertheCap.com has Hitchens as the 5th highest paid ILB behind Kuechly, Wagner, Ogletree and Barron.
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Been discussed. That post was about LBs in general. If you continue reading this thread, you will see that I posted about how KC values the Jack.
 
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ABQCOWBOY said:
Been discussed. That post was about LBs in general. If you continue reading this thread, you will see that I posted about how KC values the Jack.
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So, you're saying to keep the Jack clean to allow the Off to flow to the ball...
 
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So, you're saying to keep the Jack clean to allow the Off to flow to the ball...
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KC has a history of paying that Off ILB because they understand how valuable it is to their scheme. If you look at how they paid Johnson, his entire career, it makes much more sense as to why they paid Hitchens what they did. I mean it doesn't really matter, what's done is done. They clearly valued Hitchens and were willing to pay him.
 
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