Name one deal thus far in FA

[TwentyOne]

Let's just say we could match any offer that has been made so far in free agency, which deal would you have matched???

Tony Romo.

10 years.

25 bucks.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Ngata is about the only one I can think of.
I'll miss Hitchens but I wouldn't have given him that contract. What sucks is we were thin at LB even with Hitch. Gotta upgrade the Wilsons, Durants, Wilbers.

 

[ghst187]

I haven’t seen any players and contracts I’ve really wanted so far. I would’ve liked keeping Hitch but no where near that price. Guy I want is earl thomas. Love to also get a OG or LB just to free up our draft

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think because we have a need, people are overrating Hitchens.

He's now paid like a Top 5 MLB. He's not worth that. Not even close. So while it sucks that we may have created another hole at LB, you can't jump into the quicksand because you dropped your favorite jelly bean in it.

Oh, I don't think so. If what I'm reading is right, Hitchens contract isn't even in the top 10. It's not even close. There are something like 18 LBs who make 9 million or more, as of last year. There are 30 who average 7 million a year, or more, as of last year. Your comparison of jelly beans and quicksand are a little off IMO.

 

[CowboyChris]

I haven’t seen any players and contracts I’ve really wanted so far. I would’ve liked keeping Hitch but no where near that price. Guy I want is earl thomas. Love to also get a OG or LB just to free up our draft

I think the majority of people on this board are in complete agreement with that.

 

[FiveRings]

Sherman? Maybe the money was a bit much but if *some* of our players could have checked their ego and restructured to make some extra $ that would have been huge. If it were between Sherman and Thomas, I think I'd much rather have Richard

 

[jterrell]

Then you must have ignored me when I answered.

Haloti Ngata.

Now continue to defend a failed front office and then whine like a little girl when you see the same team next season.

Bro... this is the limb you wanna die on?
Ngata is 34 years old and played 5 games last year due to injury.
And he was signed to be a back up player.

He probably hasn't been a good player since 2013.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Oh, I don't think so. If what I'm reading is right, Hitchens contract isn't even in the top 10. It's not even close. There are something like 18 LBs who make 9 million or more, as of last year. There are 30 who average 7 million a year, or more, as of last year. Your comparison of jelly beans and quicksand are a little off IMO.

Probably because guys like Von Miller and Ingram are being counted as LBs, but paid as pass rushers.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Bro... this is the limb you wanna die on?
Ngata is 34 years old and played 5 games last year due to injury.
And he was signed to be a back up player.

He probably hasn't been a good player since 2013.

And Ngata's contract hasnt even been released, so he didnt even answer the question correctly lmao.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Oh, I don't think so. If what I'm reading is right, Hitchens contract isn't even in the top 10. It's not even close. There are something like 18 LBs who make 9 million or more, as of last year. There are 30 who average 7 million a year, or more, as of last year. Your comparison of jelly beans and quicksand are a little off IMO.

That's not true at all.

There are only 4 inside LBs that have a contract of $9M+ AAV

Kuechly- 12.4
Wagner- 10.8
Ogletree- 10.7
Kirksey- 9.5

That's it. Is Hitch a top 5 inside LB?

 

[jterrell]

Probably because guys like Von Miller and Ingram are being counted as LBs, but paid as pass rushers.

Correct. 4 inside linebackers make over 8.7M in 2018.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/inside-linebacker/
Hitchens is only making 3.2 in base but that is still ranked 13th highest and about twice what Jaylon Smith costs.

He is currently slated to be the 4th highest paid inside linebacker in 2019:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/2019/inside-linebacker/

And 2nd highest in 2020:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/2020/inside-linebacker/

 

[jterrell]

And Ngata's contract hasnt even been released, so he didnt even answer the question correctly lmao.

Ngata is basically Stephen Paea.
And he is on a cheap (versus cap) 1 year deal. Likely incentive based because the 5 games Ngata played make it easy to have him not count versus their tight cap.
Solid vet back up if you want one at 1T.

Dallas has Price and Collins there right now. Both are better players imho over 16 weeks and definitely have more upside

 

[tm1119]

That's not true at all.

There are only 4 inside LBs that have a contract of $9M+ AAV

Kuechly- 12.4
Wagner- 10.8
Ogletree- 10.7
Kirksey- 9.5

That's it. Is Hitch a top 5 inside LB?

You can’t compare contracts that were signed over 2 years ago to contracts signed today. Bradham and Demario Davis both got 8M a year. Are they top 10 LB’s? The market changed and will continue to change, it won’t be long before Hitch’s contract is the norm for starting caliber LB’s under 30 and the really good 1’s will be getting much more.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

You can’t compare contracts that were signed over 2 years ago to contracts signed today. Bradham and Demario Davis both got 8M a year. Are they top 10 LB’s? The market changed and will continue to change, it won’t be long before Hitch’s contract is the norm for starting caliber LB’s under 30 and the really good 1’s will be getting much more.

The AAVs I used included all current contracts....? I'm not using just old ones, but the brand new contracts as well.

Is Hitch better than Bradham or Davis even?

 

[tm1119]

The AAVs I used included all current contracts....? I'm not using just old ones, but the brand new contracts as well.

Is Hitch better than Bradham or Davis even?

Were the contracts signed this year while the cap is at 177M? If not they are old. It’s like trying to buy a house while using comps from 3 years ago when the house next door just sold for more. Of course the house you are trying to buy will be priced on the most recent comp. No different for an NFL LB. People are going to continue to have this outrage on “overpaid” free agents every single year apparently. Not realizing the obvious trend that the contracts are consistently going up

And Hitchens is 3/4 years younger and about an equal player to those 2 imo. I don’t see any of the 3 as elite, just solid starters. And guess what, the new price for a starting LB is 7-9 million annually....until someone gets more and sets the new benchmark higher.

 

[Proof]

davis just led the league in tackles i believe, and had an all around productive year. his yearly salary is not only lower, but only 3 years too. i like that deal much more

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Were the contracts signed this year while the cap is at 177M? If not they are old. It’s like trying to buy a house while using comps from 3 years ago when the house next door just sold for more. Of course the house you are trying to buy will be priced on the most recent comp. No different for an NFL LB. People are going to continue to have this outrage on “overpaid” free agents every single year apparently. Not realizing the obvious trend that the contracts are consistently going up

And Hitchens is 3/4 years younger and about an equal player to those 2 imo. I don’t see any of the 3 as elite, just solid starters. And guess what, the new price for a starting LB is 7-9 million annually....until someone gets more and sets the new benchmark higher.

Okay so when analyzing contracts for any position, only look at the single year that that player signed in? Got it lol.

So for this year Hitchens is the highest paid, and we're back at square one again.

Hightower signed last year and is a MUCH better player than Hitch, and barely hit $7M AAV.

 

[jterrell]

You can’t compare contracts that were signed over 2 years ago to contracts signed today. Bradham and Demario Davis both got 8M a year. Are they top 10 LB’s? The market changed and will continue to change, it won’t be long before Hitch’s contract is the norm for starting caliber LB’s under 30 and the really good 1’s will be getting much more.

You are correct that the market will continue to change but it doesn't mean average starting LBs will go up to 7-9M AAV the next couple seasons.
It's a supply and demand deal and with a ton of money available they got paid.
May not be the case for the guys next year.

Those guys valuations prior to signing were 5-6M. Going up 20-25% is steep.

Hitchens was a guy I really liked but man, if he is worth 9M a year than heck yes you better build through the draft as that is insane.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That's not true at all.

There are only 4 inside LBs that have a contract of $9M+ AAV

Kuechly- 12.4
Wagner- 10.8
Ogletree- 10.7
Kirksey- 9.5

That's it. Is Hitch a top 5 inside LB?

It's absolutely true. I didn't say ILBs. I said LBs and Hitchens didn't play ILB. He was moved to MLB this past year. We don't know that he will play ILB for the Chiefs. The fact that he was able to move inside should not be held against him. The fact that he could should be more reason why he is valuable to the team IMO.

 

[RamziD]

I would've been ok with the Allen Robinson deal.