Nate Allen

[texbumthelife]

Could someone please explain this enigma to me? I haven't seen or read any reason why some people consider him a top talent. I am not real high on Mays, but he made just as many plays in his career as Allen against far superior talent. Even if Mays turns out to be just an underwear all-star, that is more than Allen is at this point. I know people are scared of drafting the next Roy Williams, but I would be more worried about drafting the next Michael Huff (Allen). Is it just the USF connection between Allen and Jenkins?

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Could someone please explain this enigma to me? I haven't seen or read any reason why some people consider him a top talent. I am not real high on Mays, but he made just as many plays in his career as Allen against far superior talent. Even if Mays turns out to be just an underwear all-star, that is more than Allen is at this point. I know people are scared of drafting the next Roy Williams, but I would be more worried about drafting the next Michael Huff (Allen). Is it just the USF connection between Allen and Jenkins?

are you ****ing kidding me? Mays has made just as many plays as Allen? Are you ****ing kidding me?

 

[texbumthelife]

are you ****ing kidding me? Mays has made just as many plays as Allen? Are you ****ing kidding me?

In the course of his career, yes, he has. If you count plays as more than just turnovers of course.

Just based on stats it is pretty close.
Nate Allen: 216 tackles, 2 FF, 10 int
Taylor Mays: 268 tackles, 1 FF, 5 int

I don't see the great discrepancy other than one was a strong safety in the Pac-10, the other a free safety in the Big East. One has out of this world measurables, one hasn't really put up any measurables at all.

You did a good job of selling me on Nate Allen with your expletive laden response though. Now I get it, we should draft him because Jerry is a belligerent drunk. Sold.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

In the course of his career, yes, he has. If you count plays as more than just turnovers of course.

Nate Allen: 216 tackles, 2 FF, 10 int
Taylor Mays: 268 tackles, 1 FF, 5 int

I don't see the great discrepancy other than one was a strong safety in the Pac-10, the other a free safety in the Big East. One has out of this world measurables, one hasn't really put up any measurables at all.

You did a good job of selling me on Nate Allen with your expletive laden response though. Now I get it, we should draft him because Jerry is a belligerent drunk. Sold.

LOL, I have now seen it all. Mays makes more 'plays' then Allen. The discrepancy is Allen is one of the best centerfielders and can cover like a corner, and Mays is the worst centerfielder and covers like a linebacker, IF that. BTW before you make you're stupid assumptions at least get the facts right. Mays was a FS, not a SS. You assume cause he's 6'3 230 he's a SS?


And when one says makes more 'plays' it usually means who creates more turnovers, not who gets more tackles.

And I forgot. Allen didn't start his freshmen year. That explains the difference in tackles.


NEXT

 

[texbumthelife]

LOL, I have now seen it all. Mays makes more 'plays' then Allen. The discrepancy is Allen is one of the best centerfielders and can cover like a corner, and Mays is the worst centerfielder and covers like a linebacker, IF that. BTW before you make you're stupid assumptions at least get the facts right. Mays was a FS, not a SS. You assume cause he's 6'3 230 he's a SS?


And when one says makes more 'plays' it usually means who creates more turnovers, not who gets more tackles.

And I forgot. Allen didn't start his freshmen year. That explains the difference in tackles.


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First, I never said Mays made "more" plays. Also, the whole point of this thread was for someone to essentially did what you just did, without the arrogance and indignation.

I was looking for the defining reasons people were so high on Allen is all. I am pretty sure I made that blatantly obvious from my first post in this thread.

I hope your jimmy feels a little bigger tonight because you flamed someone on the internet .

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

First, I never said Mays made "more" plays. Also, the whole point of this thread was for someone to essentially did what you just did, without the arrogance and indignation.

I was looking for the defining reasons people were so high on Allen is all. I am pretty sure I made that blatantly obvious from my first post in this thread.

I hope your jimmy feels a little bigger tonight because you flamed someone on the internet .

sorry, Mays just make 'just as many' plays as Allen. And I gave you the reasons why Allen is better. He avgs more tackles a year, more FF, and more INT.

I just don't like when people talk up Mays like he's talked up. He shouldn't be getting all this recognition. The guy's by no means an NFL caliber safety.

Sorry if I came out rude.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

sorry, Mays just make 'just as many' plays as Allen. And I gave you the reasons why Allen is better. He avgs more tackles a year, more FF, and more INT.

I just don't like when people talk up Mays like he's talked up. He shouldn't be getting all this recognition. The guy's by no means an NFL caliber safety.

Sorry if I came out rude.

I wonder why Nate Allen isn't ranked ahead of Mays then.

 

[dbair1967]

I wonder why Nate Allen isn't ranked ahead of Mays then.

He may well be on some teams' boards.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He may well be on some teams' boards.

We'll see when Goose's top100 comes out. But probably not.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

I wonder why Nate Allen isn't ranked ahead of Mays then.

hahahaha. There it is. The only defense for all the Mays lovers. Getting boring. Because Allens not 6'3 230 and doesn't run a 4.2 is why, and Allen hasn't worked out. Or, are you actually trying to imply that Mays is the better safety? Because if you are, I could go on alllllllllll night long.

 

[tm1119]

I think that Allen is pretty good FS prospect. Certainly better than Mays. Mays in way too 1 dimensional of a safety to be successful in the NFL. Hes going to have to learn to cover really fast. Allen, on the other hand, is the ballhawk type of safety we need in this defense.

The only problem is that I think hes ranked somewhere around 35-45 in terms of overall prospects in this draft. So he would be a reach with our 1st round pick, but not there at our 2nd. The only way I see us drafting him is we trade down into the early 2nd.

 

[dbair1967]

We'll see when Goose's top100 comes out. But probably not.

He has them rated 3 and 4 right now on his safety rankings. I doubt they are going to be that far apart in the top-100.

And no matter where he has them in his top-100, it doesnt mean some team/s dont have Allen the same or higher than Mays. He gets alot of good info from teams and thats why his top-100 is so accurate every yr, but it isnt like he has all 32 teams send him their rankings for his review.

 

[texbumthelife]

sorry, Mays just make 'just as many' plays as Allen. And I gave you the reasons why Allen is better. He avgs more tackles a year, more FF, and more INT.

I just don't like when people talk up Mays like he's talked up. He shouldn't be getting all this recognition. The guy's by no means an NFL caliber safety.

Sorry if I came out rude.

I wasn't intending to talk him up. I just honestly haven't seen much about Allen and although I don't want Mays, I am in the Burnett camp, I think the kid will make a good safety. Its all good.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

hahahaha. There it is. The only defense for all the Mays lovers. Getting boring. Because Allens not 6'3 230 and doesn't run a 4.2 is why, and Allen hasn't worked out. Or, are you actually trying to imply that Mays is the better safety? Because if you are, I could go on alllllllllll night long.

That's right, you know better than NFL teams.

He has them rated 3 and 4 right now on his safety rankings. I doubt they are going to be that far apart in the top-100.

And no matter where he has them in his top-100, it doesnt mean some team/s dont have Allen the same or higher than Mays. He gets alot of good info from teams and thats why his top-100 is so accurate every yr, but it isnt like he has all 32 teams send him their rankings for his review.

Need to do better than casting doubt, man.

 

[texbumthelife]

Also, I missed the fact he hadn't started his Freshman year, that does explain the tackles being so lopsided. Good call there. The level of talent Allen faced spooks me just a little bit though. I know it shouldn't with a stud like Jenkins coming out of USF, but I can't get over it.

 

[Gzus]

In the course of his career, yes, he has. If you count plays as more than just turnovers of course.

Just based on stats it is pretty close.
Nate Allen: 216 tackles, 2 FF, 10 int
Taylor Mays: 268 tackles, 1 FF, 5 int

I don't see the great discrepancy other than one was a strong safety in the Pac-10, the other a free safety in the Big East. One has out of this world measurables, one hasn't really put up any measurables at all.

Oh no you didn't!!

Taylor Mays is a 4 year starter whereas Nate Allen is a 3 year starter. And when you compare the stats this is how it compares:

Nate Allen: 72 TT/season, 0.66 FF/season, 3.33 INT/season
Taylor Mays: 67 TT/season, 0.25 FF/season, 1.25 INT/season

If you say that doesn't matter you smoking something and drinking more than JJ was.

Can you tell me why I should take Mays over Allen other than his measurables? And I have a HUGE issue with taking a player just because of his measurables... Have you heard of Darrius Heyward-Bey? Measurables better than Crabtree... So by your logic Al Davis did the right thing by taking Heyward-Bey? If so you don't know what you're talking about.

In the end, a team CANNOT take a player based on his measurables alone. Mays may outrun Allen in a 40 but when it comes to ON THE FIELD impact Allen beats Mays hands down.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

That's right, you know better than NFL teams.

Look at the film and take it in.

Actually, tell me yourself. What makes Mays a better safety prospect then Allen? Is it his speed, his size?

Apparently, me and many others on this board know more then many NFL teams then too, interesting isn't it?

 

[texbumthelife]

Oh no you didn't!!

Taylor Mays is a 4 year starter whereas Nate Allen is a 3 year starter. And when you compare the stats this is how it compares:

Nate Allen: 72 TT/season, 0.66 FF/season, 3.33 INT/season
Taylor Mays: 67 TT/season, 0.25 FF/season, 1.25 INT/season

If you say that doesn't matter you smoking something and drinking more than JJ was.

Can you tell me why I should take Mays over Allen other than his measurables? And I have a HUGE issue with taking a player just because of his measurables... Have you heard of Darrius Heyward-Bey? Measurables better than Crabtree... So by your logic Al Davis did the right thing by taking Heyward-Bey? If so you don't know what you're talking about.

In the end, a team CANNOT take a player based on his measurables alone. Mays may outrun Allen in a 40 but when it comes to ON THE FIELD impact Allen beats Mays hands down.

Did you read the entire thread?

 

[CF74]

I'm sensing some tension and rage induced by fear in this thread...

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Also, I missed the fact he hadn't started his Freshman year, that does explain the tackles being so lopsided. Good call there. The level of talent Allen faced spooks me just a little bit though. I know it shouldn't with a stud like Jenkins coming out of USF, but I can't get over it.

USF still faces quality competition. The only weak teams he faced his sr year were Western Kentucky, Charleston, and Wofford. They've also faced some really tough teams. So the competition just a tad below that of USC's. That should be the least of you're worries though, like you said MJ turned out good.