Nate Allen

[texbumthelife]

I'm sensing some tension and rage induced by fear in this thread...

As well as some completely off base assumptions.

 

[Gzus]

Did you read the entire thread?

Yeah just saw that post. I was typing when that came up I guess....
All good man, now you have seen the "Nate Allen" light. No hard feelings.

I've wanted the Boys to draft him for about 2-3 weeks now, but knowing how it always turns out they'll either just barely miss him or pick some other safety (hopefully not Mays).

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Look at the film and take it in.

Actually, tell me yourself. What makes Mays a better safety prospect then Allen? Is it his speed, his size?

Apparently, me and many others on this board know more then many NFL teams then too, interesting isn't it?

No, it isn't. And as an answer to your question. Mays is more highly ranked because his ceiling is higher.

 

[Gzus]

USF still faces quality competition. The only weak teams he faced his sr year were Western Kentucky, Charleston, and Wofford. So the competition just a tad below that of USC's. That should be the least of you're worries though, like you said MJ turned out good.

Ball instincts are ball instincts and Allen has em. The guy needs a bit of work but I feel he's more ready to come in and help out than Mays is.

 

[Gzus]

No, it isn't. And as an answer to your question. Mays is more highly ranked because his ceiling is higher.

Funny thing about ceilings, its hard to reach em Unless you have a ladder of course.

 

[texbumthelife]

Yeah just saw that post. I was typing when that came up I guess....
All good man, now you have seen the "Nate Allen" light. No hard feelings.

I've wanted the Boys to draft him for about 2-3 weeks now, but knowing how it always turns out they'll either just barely miss him or pick some other safety (hopefully not Mays).

Yeah, I have been in the Burnett camp for about that long, I just wanted more info about Allen because a lot of guys here seem high on him. Thanks for the info for sure.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

No, it isn't. And as an answer to your question. Mays is more highly ranked because his ceiling is higher.

so Jerry should select Mays over Allen because Mays' ceiling is higher, in other words more potential?As opposed to Allen who has proved himself for 3 years? Look at the tape. Look at there strengths and there weaknesses. Mays is an in the box safety at the next level, Allens a centerfielder with arguably the best overall FS skill set in the draft.

Yeah, lets waste the 27th pick based on potential alone...

I could say the same thing about Allen. He has a high ceiling and unlimited potential aswell...

 

[texbumthelife]

so Jerry should select Mays over Allen because Mays' ceiling is higher, in other words more potential?As opposed to Allen who has proved himself for 3 years? Look at the tape. Look at there strengths and there weaknesses. Mays is an in the box safety at the next level, Allens a centerfielder with arguably the best overall FS skill set in the draft.

Yeah, lets waste the 27th pick based on potential alone...

I could say the same thing about Allen. He has a high ceiling and unlimited potential aswell...

Screw it, lets just trade our first rounder and Roy Williams for Ed Reed this year. Then our first rounder and player TBA for Bob Sanders next year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

so Jerry should select Mays over Allen because Mays' ceiling is higher, in other words more potential?As opposed to Allen who has proved himself for 3 years? Look at the tape. Look at there strengths and there weaknesses. Mays is an in the box safety at the next level, Allens a centerfielder with arguably the best overall FS skill set in the draft.

Yeah, lets waste the 27th pick based on potential alone...

I could say the same thing about Allen. He has a high ceiling and unlimited potential aswell...

Why? Because he's 230 lbs.?

BTW, you place too much emphasis on college production.

 

[Gzus]

Screw it, lets just trade our first rounder and Roy Williams for Ed Reed this year. Then our first rounder and player TBA for Bob Sanders next year.

I don't think that's what he was trying to say. I think we shouldn't worry about "reaching" for a player like Nate Allen. We should just pick the player that best fits our need, and our top two needs are a OT, OG, and a FS (playmaking centerfielder) the last of which Allen fits better than Mays. Allen is more of a sure thing than Mays is.

 

[Gzus]

Why? Because he's 230 lbs.?

BTW, you place too much emphasis on college production.

I put an emphasis on playmaking ability which Allen has shown and Mays only has on paper.

 

[texbumthelife]

I don't think that's what he was trying to say. I think we shouldn't worry about "reaching" for a player like Nate Allen. We should just pick the player that best fits our need, and our top two needs are a OT, OG, and a FS (playmaking centerfielder) the last of which Allen fits better than Mays. Allen is more of a sure thing than Mays is.

Oh I know, my post was completely tongue in cheek. Just trying to lighten the mood a little bit. Who would want Reed or Sanders anyway, right?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I put an emphasis on playmaking ability which Allen has shown and Mays only has on paper.

Yeah, in college.

Still waiting on a logical explanation as to why Mays is strictly an in-the-box safety in the NFL...

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Why? Because he's 230 lbs.?

BTW, you place too much emphasis on college production.

Because he can't cover and he has the size to do so...why do you think theres talk of moving him to OLB?

And emphasis should be placed on college production...what should it be placed on? Potential and measurables?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Because he can't cover and he has the size to do so...why do you think theres talk of moving him to OLB?

link? Message board speak does not count.

And emphasis should be placed on college production...what should it be placed on? Potential and measurables?

Why? For every Phillip Rivers, there is a Ty Detmer. Or for every Ed Reed there is a Michael Huff.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Screw it, lets just trade our first rounder and Roy Williams for Ed Reed this year. Then our first rounder and player TBA for Bob Sanders next year.

lmao, sign me up.

 

[Gzus]

Why? For every Phillip Rivers, there is a Ty Detmer. Or for every Ed Reed there is a Michael Huff.

And for every Michael Crabtree, there is a Darrius Heyward-Bey..... I would rather not take a risky player like Mays in the first round and instead take a player that's shown production.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And for every Michael Crabtree, there is a Darrius Heyward-Bey..... I would rather not take a risky player like Mays in the first round and instead take a player that's shown production.

Yet Mays has shown production.

 

[Gzus]

Yet Mays has shown production.

1.25 INT/season isn't production in my mind. 3.33 INT is.

BTW, 1.25 is Mays while 3.33 is Allen.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

1.25 INT/season isn't production in my mind. 3.33 INT is.

BTW, 1.25 is Mays while 3.33 is Allen.

0 is no production.