Nate just said go after the pass rusher, not the guard.

[realtick]

My gosh, I've never seen the 14th pick in the 1st round treated as if it was a Top 3 pick more in my life...

 

[Deep_Freeze]

My gosh, I've never seen the 14th pick in the 1st round treated as if it was a Top 3 pick more in my life...

Apparently you weren't around for the Bobby Carpenter vs. Manny Lawson threads.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Good, good, the little fella keeps me very busy.

I'm in the DeCastro crowd at 14, although I wouldn't be surprised by a trade down even if DeCastro is there.

I bet he is but that's good.

I would not lose any sleep if we took DeCastro in the 1st roound but I don't know. I just don't get the feeling that this is what the team is looking at. I guess we'll know soon enough.

 

[CATCH17]

Just heard him discussing on his show Coop and Nate. He said if we get both Carr and Finngen and if we don't add anything to the Dline it won't matter.

He said that an average DB can hold there guy for around 2.5 seconds. If we have no pressure Deion himself couldn't hold that long.

JJT was sitting in for Coop and said you don't think we should get Finnegen, or Carr, and he said it won't matter if we don't get more pass rushers.

JJT then asked Nate what about going Decastro, and he said forget the guards. Get a stout Center. A Center that can call the defense and direct everything. That will enable Tony to step up.

I thought it was interesting that a guard, and somebody that has been harping on getting Olineman for yrs said all of this. I agree with him. My bet is hopefully the Cowboys do to.

I agree with Nate and although I think our secondary is really bad I think our pass rush is even worse.


Giving Eli and Vick all day to throw put us at 0-4 against the Giants and Eagles.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree with Nate and although I think our secondary is really bad I think our pass rush is even worse.


Giving Eli and Vick all day to throw put us at 0-4 against the Giants and Eagles.

Great if there is one they feel good about then go for it but doing this in the past and ending up with Ekuban, Pittman and Carver all in the name of getting a pass rusher killed us. If guys have to big of a question mark don't do it just for the sake of claiming we got a pass rusher.

 

[CATCH17]

I bet he is but that's good.

I would not lose any sleep if we took DeCastro in the 1st roound but I don't know. I just don't get the feeling that this is what the team is looking at. I guess we'll know soon enough.

Me too.

I think it's so much harder to find a good pass rush guy later in the draft than it is a guard.


I like Decastro but i'll take someone who can give me 11 sacks consistently over him and pick up a solid guard in FA.

 

[Doomsday101]

Me too.

I think it's so much harder to find a good pass rush guy later in the draft than it is a guard.


I like Decastro but i'll take someone who can give me 11 sacks consistently over him and pick up a solid guard in FA.

and who would that be. People are being very generic on this. I want to guy who can give me 15 sacks a season great but then who is that guy? Looking at the prospect I don't see that. I see some good guys who may develop but not many fitting in at the 14th pick.

 

[CATCH17]

Great if there is one they feel good about then go for it but doing this in the past and ending up with Ekuban, Pittman and Carver all in the name of getting a pass rusher killed us. If guys have to big of a question mark don't do it just for the sake of claiming we got a pass rusher.

You can throw Spencer in there as well.


I agree with you BTW but I think there is some well qualified guys.

For me personally I would take a Aldon Smith over a Carl Nicks even though I realise Nicks is top 2 or 3 at his position.

 

[CATCH17]

and who would that be. People are being very generic on this. I want to guy who can give me 15 sacks a season great but then who is that guy? Looking at the prospect I don't see that. I see some good guys who may develop but not many fitting in at the 14th pick.

You go through teams rosters and I dont think you're going to find very many 1st round guards.

 

[Doomsday101]

You can throw Spencer in there as well.


I agree with you BTW but I think there is some well qualified guys.

For me personally I would take a Aldon Smith over a Carl Nicks even though I realise Nicks is top 2 or 3 at his position.

Maybe so in regards to Spencer. He is a decent player who has not lived up to the high expectations but I would at least say he has been a good player. Not sure I would say that about some of the other we have taken.

When Dallas took Ware there was pretty much a consensus out there he was a stud player and we took him.

I don't see that clear cut guy in this draft and to grab a guy at 14 all in the name of hoping to get sacks in my view is a mistake.

To me the nightmare will be not only getting a guy who can't produce better than Spencer would be throwing the 14 pick away in the process

Ingram or Coples I could go along with

 

[Doomsday101]

You go through teams rosters and I dont think you're going to find very many 1st round guards.

Your right there are not many, SF did it with the 17th overall and it was a big help to them. They have more things they need to do on offense but with the 17th pick they took Iupati and that was right after they took OT Anthony Davis with the 11th pick. That pays off big time as they continue to build that team.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Great if there is one they feel good about then go for it but doing this in the past and ending up with Ekuban, Pittman and Carver all in the name of getting a pass rusher killed us. If guys have to big of a question mark don't do it just for the sake of claiming we got a pass rusher.

Ekuban, Pittman and Carver were all under different HCs. I beleive Pittman and Carver were under Switzer and Ekuban was under Gailey. I don't think that Red would allow that kind of thing to happen under his watch.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

and who would that be. People are being very generic on this. I want to guy who can give me 15 sacks a season great but then who is that guy? Looking at the prospect I don't see that. I see some good guys who may develop but not many fitting in at the 14th pick.

It doesn't matter who we think it is. It matters who the team sees as that player.

 

[Doomsday101]

It doesn't matter who we think it is. It matters who the team sees as that player.

And who the team sees matters to the fans. I'm not going to say that we will all be in agreement on draft day I'm sure we will have mixed emotions though out the board. In the end whether I agree with the pick or not I will support that player and hope he does as advertised.

But since this forum is to give views and opinion I'll just say this is not a great class to find a pass rusher even some of the top prospect like Ingram comes with doubt in terms of pure rushing skills.

As much as I would like to see a better pass rush I do not want to see us pass up better prospect at other positions just because they felt a need to address the pass rush

 

[CATCH17]

Your right there are not many, SF did it with the 17th overall and it was a big help to them. They have more things they need to do on offense but with the 17th pick they took Iupati and that was right after they took OT Anthony Davis with the 11th pick. That pays off big time as they continue to build that team.

What pick did the Giants do it with?

Seems like they spend all their high picks and money on guys on the dline.

 

[Doomsday101]

What pick did the Giants do it with?

Seems like they spend all their high picks and money on guys on the dline.

They spend on secondary as well WR and Dallas has as well.

I don't think you take a position just based on the pick you pick the player with the most talent. If a guy like Ware was sitting at 14 I take him but I don't see that player in this draft. Sometimes drafts are not overly strong in a particular position. Not so say there will be no pass rushers out of this draft but it seems to be more of a hit or miss than in other drafts.

 

[Gaede]

If a guy like Ware was sitting at 14 I take him but I don't see that player in this draft. .

Ware was a mid second rounder until 2 weeks before the draft. He was too small. Competition wasn't strong enough. Workout warrior. All that crap. Not worth the risk at our first pick, many said.

The draft frequently exposes our own opinions as offbase, inaccurate and quite often, the result of group think.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

When Dallas took Ware there was pretty much a consensus out there he was a stud player and we took him.

They spend on secondary as well WR and Dallas has as well.

I don't think you take a position just based on the pick you pick the player with the most talent. If a guy like Ware was sitting at 14 I take him but I don't see that player in this draft. Sometimes drafts are not overly strong in a particular position. Not so say there will be no pass rushers out of this draft but it seems to be more of a hit or miss than in other drafts.

I do have to add that hindsight is always 20/20. Ware was doubted just as much as any pick we have had here, only have to go back to the posts to see it. Some of the same things we see about the picks now was said about Ware.

Even with Aldon, he didn't have off the charts measurables, and there wasn't people jumping on his wagon til when............when he actually performed well, and now everyone knnnnnew he was good.

The point is, pass rushers bust. And since noone on this board has a crystal ball, noone knows who will be good and who won't. It is a chance you take, and if you fail, you try again. What I won't accept is giving up.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Maybe so in regards to Spencer. He is a decent player who has not lived up to the high expectations but I would at least say he has been a good player. Not sure I would say that about some of the other we have taken.

When Dallas took Ware there was pretty much a consensus out there he was a stud player and we took him.

I don't see that clear cut guy in this draft and to grab a guy at 14 all in the name of hoping to get sacks in my view is a mistake.

To me the nightmare will be not only getting a guy who can't produce better than Spencer would be throwing the 14 pick away in the process

Ingram or Coples I could go along with

The position may not be OLB. It could easily be CB or DE or NT. Any of those positions could be considerations as well.

 

[Doomsday101]

The position may not be OLB. It could easily be CB or DE or NT. Any of those positions could be considerations as well.

I agree but the thread pertained to pass rusher specifically that is all I was addressing. Cowboys could chose a CB,OLB,DE or even an OG

All I have advocated is getting the best player you can and one who also can help fill a need but don’t reach for a guy just for the need of a pass rusher.


Draft picks are not just about next year, this is where you hope to find long term player to keep the preverbal window open longer. You miss on 14 and it is going to hurt