Nate Newton: Dak Prescott Is Not Worthy of a Big Contract

[Reid1boys]

Part of Dak's problem this year has definitely been the OL. That said, a top rated QB should be able to carry his team when all else fails. I just dont think Dak is that guy.

Dak doesn't suck, he's just not a top 10 QB right now.

Great qbs make the line look better than they are, because they audible out of plays, they read coverages and get rid of ball quickly, and most importantly, they avoid the rush by stepping up, or sideways to avoid sacks that our qb takes. I am not thinking Brees would have half of Daks sack numbers this year if he were on the Cowboys. The more he holds the ball, the more teams come after him... also they know Dak isnt gonna burn them when they blitz.

 

[Reid1boys]

He played at a high level his 1st ever playoff game. It doesn't take an entire year to gain a feel on how to defend against a player. I don't know anymore pressure than going toe to toe vs. Rodgers in his 1st playoff game as a rookie.

he did play very well in that game, and if he could play at that level, consistently, Id be all for his big deal. But how often has he played like that?

 

[Reid1boys]

I still haven't seen this started as a separate thread but I feel it's worth it (and I can't start it, I'm too new):

What other teams in the NFL would pay Prescott $20M+?

look up a few posts, I just went over it.

 

[G2]

he did play very well in that game, and if he could play at that level, consistently, Id be all for his big deal. But how often has he played like that?

Not enough in my opinion. I have no problem pointing out his shortcomings. But I don't know many QBs thrown into a starting role that have dazzled me in 3 seasons. Plus he's just a different QB than what many expect.

 

[CouchCoach]

Here's the real problem with this, the Joneses shot their mouths off and put themselves in a corner when they could have let him play out his contract and made a decision after next season. Just as the Skins played it with Cousins and then tagged him twice.

Is there a real market for Prescott outside of the Cowboys? Do they think they're going to get into a bidding war with other teams by letting him play it out? Almost every team has had the opportunity to game plan against Prescott, they know better about his value as a QB1.

One thing that seems to be prevalent on this forum is the belief this is a coaching problem, not a QB problem. Change the OC and QBC and voila, Tier 1 QB. Since when did the OC throw any passes or worse, miss open receivers?

How many of the 31 other teams consider Prescott a true QB1 that can improve his accuracy? Or is he viewed as a backup QB by most of the other teams? Would any team, other than the Cowboys, bring him in as QB1 or would they make him fight for it?

The major problem I see in all of this is the evaluation process. Any QB should be evaluated with his weapons out of the mix. Does he elevate talent or need it to elevate himself? Is he dependent on that talent? What happens when that talent is not available?

What does Prescott look like without Elliott? What did he look like before the Cooper acquisition? Pay him based on what he looks like without them. Don't overestimate what may not be the most important piece of the puzzle.

 

[Reid1boys]

LOL how about No. Dak Prescott is about the 65th highest paid QB. The Cowboys ALREADY got their discount for the first 3 seasons. If there was one QB that should NOT take a lower contract it is Dak. Dak, Cam Newton, and Russell Wilson are the LAST QBs that should be taking discounts.

The Panthers, Seahawks, and Cowboys have gotten way better production given the amount (relative to other NFL teams) they pay for Newton, Wilson, and Dak.

Cam just missed the playoffs.... AGAIN. Hmmmm...another inaccurate passer.

Wilson got paid... and as son as he did, the Seahawks dropped from the ELITE category into just another decent team.
So does every team get a "Discount," when they draft a guy low and he plays well? do they get to take back money when they pay a guy big bucks and they under perform? Teams and players play by the rules they bargained for. Dallas got a qb that started early, and he has done well.... they did not get a "Discount." They were fortunate to have a qb make so little compared to others.

 

[Runwildboys]

He played at a high level his 1st ever playoff game. It doesn't take an entire year to gain a feel on how to defend against a player. I don't know anymore pressure than going toe to toe vs. Rodgers in his 1st playoff game as a rookie.

It shouldn't take that long. Maybe he just didn't play against many good defenses until week 13, but it's become very clear since then....You wanna beat Dak? Pressure him in the pocket.

He did perform admirably in that playoff game, but I think if that were the "other guy", the story would still be that he wasn't good enough, and he choked.

 

[Reid1boys]

Not enough in my opinion. I have no problem pointing out his shortcomings. But I don't know many QBs thrown into a starting role that have dazzled me in 3 seasons. Plus he's just a different QB than what many expect.

Dan Marino did. Baker has played exceptionally well.. only he came to the worst team in the league, Dak started on a sb worthy team his rookie year.

 

[G2]

It shouldn't take that long. Maybe he just didn't play against many good defenses until week 13, but it's become very clear since then....You wanna beat Dak? Pressure him in the pocket.

He did perform admirably in that playoff game, but I think if that were the "other guy", the story would still be that he wasn't good enough, and he choked.

Here's where I toss in the battered O line excuse, lol

 

[G2]

Dan Marino did. Baker has played exceptionally well.. only he came to the worst team in the league, Dak started on a sb worthy team his rookie year.

I disagree (SB team) only because I truly think with a better defense we beat Green Bay in 2016. It wasn't the offense that lost that game IMO, Prescott played very well. I mean, Romo was a better passer after a few years, but I don't think it's realistic that more could have been done. The offensive production was there.

 

[CouchCoach]

Not enough in my opinion. I have no problem pointing out his shortcomings. But I don't know many QBs thrown into a starting role that have dazzled me in 3 seasons. Plus he's just a different QB than what many expect.

He is exactly what I expected because he is exactly what he was in college. There is virtually no difference and the weak part of his game is still there and will continue to be exploited by good DC's.

As long as management understands what type of QB he is and puts the right pieces around him, they can win with him. They've gotten two very valuable lessons in his first 3 seasons. They got to see him without Elliott and then without Cooper. He is not a QB to elevate talent; he has to have that to elevate his game. And there's nothing wrong with that until they have to depend on him without that talent. Prescott is not even a Tier 2 QB without a stud at RB and WR.

 

[Reid1boys]

I disagree (SB team) only because I truly think with a better defense we beat Green Bay in 2016. It wasn't the offense that lost that game IMO, Prescott played very well. I mean, Romo was a better passer after a few years, but I don't think it's realistic that more could have been done. The offensive production was there.

in 2016 we absolutely had a sb worthy team. We lost that GB game because of a play here... a FEW seriously crappy calls, and a CRAZY arse completion on 3rd and 20 something that led to a FG as time expired. We didnt win a SB, but make no mistake, Dak came into as good a situation as any qb probably has in the history of football.

 

[conner01]

Hes gonna get what someone is willing to offer him. No one else in the league would give him 20+ m with their being plenty of tape showing his flaws. Dallas shouldn't either! Cousins is an above average qb, Dak is well below average and not showing any ability to grow beyond!

Case Keenan got 25 mil

 

[Runwildboys]

He is exactly what I expected because he is exactly what he was in college. There is virtually no difference and the weak part of his game is still there and will continue to be exploited by good DC's.

As long as management understands what type of QB he is and puts the right pieces around him, they can win with him. They've gotten two very valuable lessons in his first 3 seasons. They got to see him without Elliott and then without Cooper. He is not a QB to elevate talent; he has to have that to elevate his game. And there's nothing wrong with that until they have to depend on him without that talent. Prescott is not even a Tier 2 QB without a stud at RB and WR.

Ouch

 

[LatinMind]

Dallas an give him alot of maybe his guaranteed money in 2020 because of the amount of cap they will have. Which will allow the team to keep adding pieces to the team and can restructure his deal to create more in future yrs if they need it. This has been what they have done with contracts in recent yrs. and this is what the patriots have done with Brady. They restructure him to lower his cap hit but just give him more of his money upfront in sb. While keeping lower base salaries.

 

[G2]

He is exactly what I expected because he is exactly what he was in college. There is virtually no difference and the weak part of his game is still there and will continue to be exploited by good DC's.

As long as management understands what type of QB he is and puts the right pieces around him, they can win with him. They've gotten two very valuable lessons in his first 3 seasons. They got to see him without Elliott and then without Cooper. He is not a QB to elevate talent; he has to have that to elevate his game. And there's nothing wrong with that until they have to depend on him without that talent. Prescott is not even a Tier 2 QB without a stud at RB and WR.

He improved every season throughout college. Statistically too. Too many are convinced he is what he is with 100% certainty. Compare Prescott's 3 seasons to any QB's first 3 seasons. Ask yourself, were you all in on the notion that they "were what they were?"
Not to mention the caliber of coaching in the NFL compared to college and the talent pool is night and day.

 

[Reid1boys]

Case Keenan got 25 mil

I just looked and Keenum got 2 years , 36 million. TWO YEARS... hmmmm, sounds similar to my suggestion of letting Dak play next year for whats left on his deal, and then tag him if you want.... we would be about 8 million less than Keenums deal doing that... but any event, Elway is smart.... TWO YEAR DEAL.

 

[CouchCoach]

in 2016 we absolutely had a sb worthy team. We lost that GB game because of a play here... a FEW seriously crappy calls, and a CRAZY arse completion on 3rd and 20 something that led to a FG as time expired. We didnt win a SB, but make no mistake, Dak came into as good a situation as any qb probably has in the history of football.

I agree that he came into an offense few rook QB's have ever had, except maybe Marino or Rothliesberger. He got to do what few rook QB's get to do, execute the offense. He wasn't asked to do what most of the rook starters are because he wasn't seen as the future, he was the stop gap.

Then he did what he'd done in high school and college, once he was in, he wasn't getting out. Prescott is this enigma, a coach's head scratcher for sure. Can't win the job but once he gets it, refuses to lose it.

It is easy for a coach to fall in love with Prescott. He doesn't have the God given talent (arm) some do but he makes up for that with desire, heart and his leadership skills at the position are as good as any QB.

 

[Nexx]

Unlike Dakazoids, GM’s around the league can judge with their eyes and brains. No one is going pay Dak elite money because he is average at best.

 

[JohnBoy]

look up a few posts, I just went over it.

Yes you did, and thank you!