Nate Newton: Dak Prescott Is Not Worthy of a Big Contract

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Contracts are designed to retain a player's sense of security and perceived self-worth to the team. This consideration is ignored by those sharing Sanders and Newton's ideology.

A player and his agent may review his contract opportunities beyond his current employer and understand he may attract lower compensation than what he seeks currently. In other words, another team could pay the player a SMALLER contract.

Anyone self-engrossed in the 'Pay him what he is worth' mentality, like Sanders and Newton, automatically agree the player should be allowed to walk in that situation. However, the market has determined the player's value will be meet elsewhere. Thus, the current employer must address two scenarios:

  • Allow the player to sign elsewhere, albeit at a contract smaller than the one which could have been extended to him, and hope another player will instantly replace his preceived value to the team.
  • Sign the player to a HIGHER contract than one that the player could get elsewhere, secure the player already on the roster, and satisty existing confidence by retaining a known commodity.
Interpreting and reacting to the market is a TAD more complicated than the Sanders/Newton ideology understands.

Economics.

Here's a great idea...Let's test your theory and see if we can get a 1st or 2nd round draft pick next season for Dak.. I suspect we would be lucky to get a 4th for him but, I'm willing to test the market...are you?
 

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Nate says he’s a 13-15 mil QB
That’s probably right but that’s not the market
Avg QB’s are gonna get 20 mil or more and that’s just what the market is
QB’s are not paid in tiers where an avg guy get a percentage less than a elite guy. Maybe they should but till something is changed in the CBA to limit what any one player can get the QB is gonna get over paid. Agents love it but the other players shouldn’t because an avg LB or CB is gonna end up getting less in the long run
But the market is the market and Dak is gonna get more than he should just like cousins did and most others do
There are so few elite QB’s and teams know it’s impossible to win in today’s game without atleast an avg QB
Hes gonna get what someone is willing to offer him. No one else in the league would give him 20+ m with their being plenty of tape showing his flaws. Dallas shouldn't either! Cousins is an above average qb, Dak is well below average and not showing any ability to grow beyond!
 

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That is fine. Pay him based on worth...whatever that is...

But to suggest that Dak Prescott, under ANY circumstances, should take less than what he is worth (whatever that is) is ludicrous.

Andrew Luck should take less than what he is worth, so should Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, and Matt Ryan.

Given that there are 3rd string QBs making more than Dak NOW and even if you foolishly think Dak Prescott is the worst QB in the NFL...he still is making WAY below the going rate for the 32nd NFL QB.
Yes, that's how rookie contracts work...
 

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Here's a great idea...Let's test your theory and see if we can get a 1st or 2nd round draft pick next season for Dak.. I suspect we would be lucky to get a 4th for him but, I'm willing to test the market...are you?
It is not theory. It is economics. And it is irrelevant what you or I do or want about the position. It is only relevant what Jones believes is best for the position.

He made a decision about the position in 2016--a decision I have always believed and maintained was premature. In my opinion, Jones' perceived value of Prescott has remained completely unchanged--especially after he sacrificed future high draft round resource in obtaining Cooper to bolster the offense this season.

All this aside, I myself would be appreciative if the media would consistently pose similar questions to Jones like the one you directed to me. If anyone could peek behind his narcissistic curtain for even a few moments, pro and con observers of the position might receive some concrete info concerning any Plan B conceived by the front office.

That sort of investigative reporting has not and likely will not happen, so I am left considering What Jones Will Do based on my personal three decade long observation of the man. And to be blunt, I do not think Jones or his offspring have a Plan B in the works. They pushed all their chips into the pile in October 2016 and I believe they are still sitting there
 

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Relax guys, Dak is getting his change and new tires for the bus.
 

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Franchise tag Dak for two years. He wins you a SB then pay him or start over .
A good friend and I have discussed the franchise tag possibility at length. He thinks it is likely Jones will tag Prescott as a tactic for negotiating a more friendly salary cap contract. I disagree and believe Jones will deal with any salary cap repercussions after he secures Prescott's services. Only time will tell which of us is right.
 

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It is not theory. It is economics. And it is irrelevant what you or I do or want about the position. It is only relevant what Jones believes is best for the position.

He made a decision about the position in 2016--a decision I have always believed and maintained was premature. In my opinion, Jones' perceived value of Prescott has remained completely unchanged--especially after he sacrificed future high draft round resource in obtaining Cooper to bolster the offense this season.

All this aside, I myself would be appreciative if the media would consistently pose similar questions to Jones like the one you directed to me. If anyone could peek behind his narcissistic curtain for even a few moments, pro and con observers of the position might receive some concrete info concerning any Plan B conceived by the front office.

That sort of investigative reporting has not and likely will not happen, so I am left considering What Jones Will Do based on my personal three decade long observation of the man. And to be blunt, I do not think Jones or his offspring have a Plan B in the works. They pushed all their chips into the pile in October 2016 and I believe they are still sitting there

I agree with you that Jones has cast his "wildcatter" dice and will roll with Dak as he has for the last 20+ years. Stephen knows he can't really do anything until his father leaves the scene and McClay just has to play 3rd fiddle
to the power on the throne. Many more years of frustration and losses on the horizon me thinks.
 

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That is fine. Pay him based on worth...whatever that is...

But to suggest that Dak Prescott, under ANY circumstances, should take less than what he is worth (whatever that is) is ludicrous.

Andrew Luck should take less than what he is worth, so should Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, and Matt Ryan.

Given that there are 3rd string QBs making more than Dak NOW and even if you foolishly think Dak Prescott is the worst QB in the NFL...he still is making WAY below the going rate for the 32nd NFL QB.

Dak is 16th in the NFL in yards and 21st in TD's. Our offense is ranked 24th in the league. That's Case Keenum territory. Zeke is the engine that makes this offense run. Folks that think we should break the bank on a mid-level QB are insane.
 

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Contracts are designed to retain a player's sense of security and perceived self-worth to the team. This consideration is ignored by those sharing Sanders and Newton's ideology.

A player and his agent may review his contract opportunities beyond his current employer and understand he may attract lower compensation than what he seeks currently. In other words, another team could pay the player a SMALLER contract.

Anyone self-engrossed in the 'Pay him what he is worth' mentality, like Sanders and Newton, automatically agree the player should be allowed to walk in that situation. However, the market has determined the player's value will be meet elsewhere. Thus, the current employer must address two scenarios:

  • Allow the player to sign elsewhere, albeit at a contract smaller than the one which could have been extended to him, and hope another player will instantly replace his preceived value to the team.
  • Sign the player to a HIGHER contract than one that the player could get elsewhere, secure the player already on the roster, and satisty existing confidence by retaining a known commodity.
Interpreting and reacting to the market is a TAD more complicated than the Sanders/Newton ideology understands.

Economics.

I think your 2 scenarios are the exact opposite of what happens in the NFL.

1) Usually another team is more desperate at the position than you are and pay them more than they are worth. FA contracts are what drives up the market on players- not renegotiations IMO
2) Extensions are not usually more than that player would have gotten in a free market competition
 

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A good friend and I have discussed the franchise tag possibility at length. He thinks it is likely Jones will tag Prescott as a tactic for negotiating a more friendly salary cap contract. I disagree and believe Jones will deal with any salary cap repercussions after he secures Prescott's services. Only time will tell which of us is right.
Tagging him insures you pay TOP dollar

It is a last resort and why the want to extend him now or early next year

That strategy backfired terribly for WAS with Cousins because they were afraid to commit.....instead they paid him 45m for 2 years and then were forced to overpay for Alex Smith when Cousins walked

Waiting is paralysis by analysis.... we all know he is good enough and going to get better as the game slows down
 

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It is pretty irrelevant what any of we fans believe is a good contract or not for Dak. All that matters is what the Jones think and what Dak believe is fair, nothing else matters. Whether you believe he is a top 20 QB (by stats) or top five (by wins) doesn't matter. If Nate believes Dak would take 13 to 15 million a year and the Jones believe he is the future at QB, you can bet they will jump on that number.

Why would they, simply because the going rate for QB is going nothing but up. Check what Matt Ryan got at 37 years old, check what Bradford got for one season. Look what Case Keenam got in Denver for two years. If you don't think Dak at $15 year is a bargain then you don't understand QB salaries in the NFL. And to those that think you could only get a 4th round choice for him in a trade, then you have no clue on how teams value QB especially ones that win. Look what teams give up to move to the top of the draft to get a guy that might or might not do anything. A proven QB like Dak would fetch at least a #1 if not more. It is football dynamics plain and simple.

Can Dak be better, sure but same goes for probably 20+ other starting QBs. If we go by what those that hate Dak, or those that want a better QB that could take the Boys to a Super Bowl, then maybe we should find a Trent Dilfer because by the logic some are using he is a great, great QB. Would I want an upgrade at some time, sure and I believe Dallas should draft a QB ever year to either develop or possibly give us a better option at QB but Dak wins and I could give a rat's behind about his stats. Wins are all that counts when it comes down to it and playoffs wins are the most important so I guess we will see in two weeks how that works out.
 

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How does he need more talent around him than most qbs? When he had a similar team to Romo, he went to the same level in the playoffs
You mean when he had the best O-line and RB in the league, and opposing defenses knew very little about him, until the Giants showed that he crumbles under pressure?
 

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Rodgers is the highest paid and he didnt even !ake the playoffs!!! Stafford and Ryan are staying home too.

Matt Ryan is the #3 rated QB; 4546 yards, 33 TD's and only 6 INT's. His QB rating is 108.5. Aaron Rodgers is #5 in yards and has 25 TD's to 2 INT's.

Atlanta is 27th in defense; Dallas is #6. Let's not kid ourselves why some teams are sitting at home this year. If we're going to base Dak's salary on things besides his own statistical contributions, then you can do the same for every player on the team. Hey, we made the playoffs so Baesley should get paid!!
 

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Put Philip Rivers with this roster, and it would be the clear favorite to win the Super Bowl.

As is, it's the worst team in the playoffs.

Terrific roster, terrible quarterback

Bad combination.
Philips has more offensive weapons. He is a better QB, but you are stretching things like always.
 

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What leverage would Dak Prescott have? Who the hell but the Cowboys is going to sign him to a significant long term deal? They will be negotiating against themselves. There is no market. That front office is the only one who believes he can play.
Bingo...... who the hell in the nfl is gonna go out and pay Dak 20 million? Please, lets start listing teams. Cards+No, Niners= no, Rams = No, Seahawks = no. So there is the nfc west
Eagles= no, Commanders = no, Giants= ??????????
Bears = no, Packers = no, Vikings = no, Lions = no
Panthers = no, Saints = no, Falcons = no, Bucs ?????????
So out of the entire NFC only team that even has any question mark going into next year are Giants and Bucs... and sorry, I just cant see either wanting Dak

AFC
Chiefs = no, Raiders = no, Broncos= no, Chargers = no
Steelers = no, Ravens = no, Browns = no, Bengals = no
Pats = no, Bills= no, Jets = no, Dolphins = ????????
Texans = no, Colts= no, Titans = no, Jags = ????????


so out of the entire NFL I only had question marks on a few teams, Giants, Dolphins, Jags, and Bucs. now out of those 4 teams, who would pay Dak 100 milion? Jags is the strongest bet IMO..... what do you think? pay him 20 plus million to see what happens?

I also simply do not understand why we would pay him early when he still has another year left on his deal.I see zero benefit. It isnt like next year he is gonna turn into russel wilson and earn a 30 million dollar a year deal.
 

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You mean when he had the best O-line and RB in the league, and opposing defenses knew very little about him, until the Giants showed that he crumbles under pressure?
He played at a high level his 1st ever playoff game. It doesn't take an entire year to gain a feel on how to defend against a player. I don't know anymore pressure than going toe to toe vs. Rodgers in his 1st playoff game as a rookie.
 

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I still haven't seen this started as a separate thread but I feel it's worth it (and I can't start it, I'm too new):

What other teams in the NFL would pay Prescott $20M+?
 
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