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[WoodysGirl]

 

[jterrell]

As a Spurs fan, I'd hate that lineup, especially if they keep Parsons. So, they'll need whoever Harden is guarding to go for 40+ a game...which is entirely possible.

I hear ya. As a Mavs fan that would the first Houston line up that actually looks like a winning basketball team to me.
--again given that they add a MLE type PG who will defend and distribute to go with Beverly.

The only plus side for Rox opponents is all 3 guys would then be at least slightly overpaid and tied up long term limiting any future moves.
but that's a small problem to have considering the talent of that front line.

Wonder if the Rox would take on Felton Spencer and his much smaller contract for Jeremy Lin and his large but expiring deal?
If HOU wanted they could stretch release Felton and cost only 2m in salary against the cap.
Makes them 5m and they keep their 1st rounder.....

Lin would be Dallas' 6th man and Monta Ellis injury protection as well as an expiring piece.

 

[burmafrd]

Carmelo has made how much in his career? I wonder if max money is really as important as some think it is for him.

 

[jterrell]

that report is silly. if they lowballed Bosh well below 20m how they gonna offer Melo what he wants?
They'd have to basically renounce Wade and Bosh to offer Melo the max.
They'd have Bron and Melo in that circumstance but literally no one else.
And 2 guys aren't winning a title surrounded by a couple exception types and minimums after that.

 

[burmafrd]

But there is no way they can afford both Lebron and Carmelo, right? At best it would be those two and a bunch of spear carriers and that is not enough to contend

 

[burmafrd]

If the Knicks could get both Lebron and Carmelo to sign one year deals with their current teams, could they then next year afford both?

 

[bounce]

I hear ya. As a Mavs fan that would the first Houston line up that actually looks like a winning basketball team to me.
--again given that they add a MLE type PG who will defend and distribute to go with Beverly.

The only plus side for Rox opponents is all 3 guys would then be at least slightly overpaid and tied up long term limiting any future moves.
but that's a small problem to have considering the talent of that front line.

Wonder if the Rox would take on Felton Spencer and his much smaller contract for Jeremy Lin and his large but expiring deal?
If HOU wanted they could stretch release Felton and cost only 2m in salary against the cap.
Makes them 5m and they keep their 1st rounder.....

Lin would be Dallas' 6th man and Monta Ellis injury protection as well as an expiring piece.

Assuming all egos can accept it, I think Bosh is a perfect fit in Houston. With his extending range, he's a true stretch four which pulls the double-team off of Howard, and doesn't force Bosh to be a a true post, which he's not comfortable doing.

And I assume you mean Raymond Felton, and not Felton Spencer. I just can't see Felton Spencer helping much since he retired 12 years ago. A big body, though. Extra fouls.

 

[jterrell]

Carmelo has made how much in his career? I wonder if max money is really as important as some think it is for him.

The Mavs and Rox offered him slightly below max and basically fell out of contention for him.
Lakers and Knicks both offered max they could and he is said to be leaning to those offers with the Knicks large offer as top contender.
Chicago was long considered the fave but I haven't seen what they offered....

What is clear is that if he wins a title he will make a lot more money off the court.

I think the biggest factor is he is married to a celebrity. HER earnings potential is far greater in NY or LA.


All that said this leaked rumor stuff is just stuff and it may have us bad mouthing these guys unnecessarily.
---tho Melo's actual basketball game and past moves as a Nugget lend credence to him being rather selfish.

 

[jterrell]

If the Knicks could get both Lebron and Carmelo to sign one year deals with their current teams, could they then next year afford both?

Yes, with some tweaks.

 

[jterrell]

Assuming all egos can accept it, I think Bosh is a perfect fit in Houston. With his extending range, he's a true stretch four which pulls the double-team off of Howard, and doesn't force Bosh to be a a true post, which he's not comfortable doing.

And I assume you mean Raymond Felton, and not Felton Spencer. I just can't see Felton Spencer helping much since he retired 12 years ago. A big body, though. Extra fouls.

I have been following basketball too long and have now dated myself with a decade old reference, lol.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Yes, with some tweaks.

I don't think tweaks are really needed, they have about $21 million committed to 2015, and thus can afford 2 max deals with out tweaks. However I don't see Lebron signing a one year deal.

And to be honest, if Melo leaves, I continue to deal away assets. I'm not sure how soon we can trade Jose Calderon, since he was just acquired, but I'd gladly do a sign and trade with the Lakers, dealing Melo+Calderon for Nash+2015 first+2017 first.

 

[casmith07]

If the Knicks could get both Lebron and Carmelo to sign one year deals with their current teams, could they then next year afford both?

Yes, they could. They could afford LeBron on a max deal next year even after giving Carmelo the hometown max deal.

I've said all along LeBron opting out was about forcing the Heat to make a decision on Dwyane Wade. He cannot win with Wade anymore. By opting out, he forces them to basically choose whether they want him and Bosh (and some other nice pieces like McRoberts, who just signed), or if they want Wade, because if LeBron doesn't stay in Miami, Chris Bosh is a Houston Rocket.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Wade is the big loser in this deal IMO. Both Bosh and James are going to get their money, if they want it, regardless. Wade, not so much. I don't see any way Miami signs him for that kind of money and neither will any other team. He's going to take a big hit I think.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

McRoberts has apparently agreed to terms with the Heat.

 

[casmith07]

I was just saying that the Heat should sign Granger as a backup and they did. 2 years, $4M.

McRoberts, 4 years, $23M.

Wade isn't getting close to max money at this point. My guess is they give him his $40M he would've earned over a 4 year deal. $10M/year, he gets the same money he would've got if he opted in, and plays as much (maybe 2 years, max left in the tank).

Allows them to bring back LeBron at max and bring back Bosh close to max...if Bosh wants to.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I was just saying that the Heat should sign Granger as a backup and they did. 2 years, $4M.

Danny Granger, UNM kid.

 

[casmith07]

Danny Granger, UNM kid.

Amazing player who fell off the face of the earth after his injury/surgery in Indiana. Still think he can score, but as a defender he's kinda cooked.

 

[casmith07]

I think LeBron signs a 4 year deal with a third year option. Plays 2014 and 2015 in Miami, and then is a free agent again in 2016 when KD becomes a free agent.

LeBron and Durant on the same team? Whew.

 

[TheCowboy]

Ariza would be a solid signing for the Mavs

 

[jterrell]

I don't think tweaks are really needed, they have about $21 million committed to 2015, and thus can afford 2 max deals with out tweaks. However I don't see Lebron signing a one year deal.

And to be honest, if Melo leaves, I continue to deal away assets. I'm not sure how soon we can trade Jose Calderon, since he was just acquired, but I'd gladly do a sign and trade with the Lakers, dealing Melo+Calderon for Nash+2015 first+2017 first.

They will need tweaks by the time it gets here. 21m is a pointless non-existent number. In one year re-up Carmelo would count 24m on their cap itself plus tyou have minimum cap holds. 21 + 24 plus another 22 for LeBron is basically the projected cap.
They have to fill out a 15 man roster and many of those players will have some 2015 money in it --tho perhaps renounceable or otherwise erasable.
They CAN get enough room to sign two max guys but again it would require tweaks and it also means having basically no roster to put around the two.
If Melo and LeBron make the max this year, their max totals next year just go up which is why Melo(and Bron) opting in was best bet for NY.

FWIW I dont think Melo leaves any money on table in terms of years or max. Think he gets max dollars and years with Knicks.
LeBron I believe does leave years out there because he is so valuable it really means little risk for him.
He could be injured and still get max on principle... lol.
I think he ends up back in CLE.

Lakers can't make that trade you suggest because they already traded firsts to PHX to get Nash orignally.
They can't move any firsts out until about 2018 LOL.
You can not trade consecutive firsts.