NBA Off-season Moves (starting with my Mavs)

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jterrell said:
Dr. J let slip that the Sixers is a "7-year" plan.
YIKES!!

That tanking stuff is truly bad business.
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He was informed of that 2 years ago when ownership & management was in place. so that would make this year 3....... if that makes a difference.
 
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RonSpringsdaman20 said:
He was informed of that 2 years ago when ownership & management was in place. so that would make this year 3....... if that makes a difference.
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yea, it's already begun but it is interesting that they knew the realities of the team tank strategy.
so many fans think you can choose to do it for one year and voila pop to the top of the league.
it just doesn't work that way.
and stars aren't just earned in the top couple picks anyway.

tanking 4 or 5 years in a row should yield considerable assets but you gotta resign guys before the winning starts and that seems a severe long shot.
but it looks like this is the okc model they are following and you do get to choose A LOT of guys high in drafts that way.
 
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yea, it's already begun but it is interesting that they knew the realities of the team tank strategy.
so many fans think you can choose to do it for one year and voila pop to the top of the league.
it just doesn't work that way.
and stars aren't just earned in the top couple picks anyway.

tanking 4 or 5 years in a row should yield considerable assets but you gotta resign guys before the winning starts and that seems a severe long shot.
but it looks like this is the okc model they are following and you do get to choose A LOT of guys high in drafts that way.
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I think it was as much a financial decision as it was a winning one. Usually new ownership come in, they want to win to make money. But Philly had a stadium contract in hand, an expensive roster, and wasn't making money. They've stripped their roster, don't have to pay much in revenue sharing, and despite their porous showing, make money from the advanced NBA TV contract. It was a business decision. The Flip side was gaining assets that could buy them the players they need to compete when they get players in place they feel comfortable with in their system via their own picks. Not justifying any of this, because this is making them no friends around the league, but its a play that's working financially in the short term, but will have change long term. I don't think the idea is to "tank" for 4-5 years. the plan is not to overspend on player that can't help, or help minimally, and try to get star young players in the system. But they have not been decisive with the players they draft, or direction they want to build (style wise).

As a fan, I see slow progress, but progress non the less. Even though I did not want Okafor, I acknowledge his talents, and knew that we were one of the few teams that he could possibly fit with because we have a future elite defender to back him in Noel. Also, It became pretty clear that Embiid can't be trusted, and anything we get from him is a bonus. Noel is one year better, the young Big they drafted early in the second round looks like a keeper (Holmes), and Robert Covington is a definite floor spacer. Stauskus gives the Sixers another lottery talent to develop, who has good athleticism, ball handling skills, and elite shooting. He shot 40% from behind the arc after the all star break last year. The two vets from Sactown will help as well.

Is this to say I or other philly fans are happy? No. But you see some semblance of a plan. And they've been rigid with it. So you watch and wait. Next year you get Saric, possibly Embiid, Possibly 2 Lottery picks, and two other first round picks that will be tradable.... Improvement in your young players this year... next year scratch the service... the following year, playoffs.... that is the hope... I think management is thinking that as well... that would be year 5... so 2 more years after, contention.... that's the plan....for now...possibly...hopefully.
 
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RonSpringsdaman20 said:
I think it was as much a financial decision as it was a winning one. Usually new ownership come in, they want to win to make money. But Philly had a stadium contract in hand, an expensive roster, and wasn't making money. They've stripped their roster, don't have to pay much in revenue sharing, and despite their porous showing, make money from the advanced NBA TV contract. It was a business decision. The Flip side was gaining assets that could buy them the players they need to compete when they get players in place they feel comfortable with in their system via their own picks. Not justifying any of this, because this is making them no friends around the league, but its a play that's working financially in the short term, but will have change long term. I don't think the idea is to "tank" for 4-5 years. the plan is not to overspend on player that can't help, or help minimally, and try to get star young players in the system. But they have not been decisive with the players they draft, or direction they want to build (style wise).

As a fan, I see slow progress, but progress non the less. Even though I did not want Okafor, I acknowledge his talents, and knew that we were one of the few teams that he could possibly fit with because we have a future elite defender to back him in Noel. Also, It became pretty clear that Embiid can't be trusted, and anything we get from him is a bonus. Noel is one year better, the young Big they drafted early in the second round looks like a keeper (Holmes), and Robert Covington is a definite floor spacer. Stauskus gives the Sixers another lottery talent to develop, who has good athleticism, ball handling skills, and elite shooting. He shot 40% from behind the arc after the all star break last year. The two vets from Sactown will help as well.

Is this to say I or other philly fans are happy? No. But you see some semblance of a plan. And they've been rigid with it. So you watch and wait. Next year you get Saric, possibly Embiid, Possibly 2 Lottery picks, and two other first round picks that will be tradable.... Improvement in your young players this year... next year scratch the service... the following year, playoffs.... that is the hope... I think management is thinking that as well... that would be year 5... so 2 more years after, contention.... that's the plan....for now...possibly...hopefully.
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Many Mavs fans have called for tanking. This is basically exhibit A of why you don't go that route.
Philly is a 100 moves away from winning anything.
And if the plan is 99 lottery balls that seems quite foolish to me.
It is unwatchable basketball and basically embarrassing to willfully try so hard to lose for multiple years.

Money-wise you are correct in the very short-term but wrong longer term.
The revenues from attendance, gear and local tv is plummeting. The regional TV deal was created for a team owned by Comcast and is crap but the losing gives little reason or impetus to renegotiate. The Lakers can lose and get rich. The Sixers are just losing.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-b...uld-barely-fill-76ers--stadium-220939908.html

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So, as the 76ers enter Year 3 of their unprecedented tanking plan, the city’s diehard basketball fans suffer the most in this scenario, which is decidedly frustrating.
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The salary cap floor prevents them from just running out all cheap rookies. Trying their very hardest to lose every night they only got the 3rd highest pick. It is a tough road to hoe man. I could see if they were snatching up former lottery picks on the cheap in an effort to develop them but that also seems not to be the plan.
 
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jterrell said:
Money-wise you are correct in the very short-term but wrong longer term.



if they were snatching up former lottery picks on the cheap in an effort to develop them but that also seems not to be the plan.
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I acknowledged that:
but its a play that's working financially in the short term, but will have change long term.

And I think Staukus is the beginning of such..... Either way... we will see how it plays out.... your opinion is one of many.... could be correct.. they could prove you wrong.... I don't mind watching... but its been a long time since i've traveled to philly for a game... something I used to have no problem doing....
 
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RonSpringsdaman20 said:
I acknowledged that:
but its a play that's working financially in the short term, but will have change long term.

And I think Staukus is the beginning of such..... Either way... we will see how it plays out.... your opinion is one of many.... could be correct.. they could prove you wrong.... I don't mind watching... but its been a long time since i've traveled to philly for a game... something I used to have no problem doing....
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I know it seems I am picking on your team here and I am, but not because they are the Sixers or any fan's team but because they are tanking at an unheard of level. It is the philosophy I am attacking.

Hink is basically saying I'd like to lose every game til we get a great player. 2 years, 3 years, 5 years... just til we get a great player. Take a ROY and trade him for nothing. Stash guys in Europe. Just keep tanking and drafting til we hit it big. Answer to missing on Wiggins? Tank harder. Miss on KAT? Gotta tank luckier. Tank, tank, tank.

That thinking goes against everything sports stands for. It is competition and a willingness to be the worst for so long is appalling.

I've seen tank fans argue how teams are built but they do based on on the 1980s (with little to no free agent movement) or one season of Spurs where a League MVP candidate missed an entire year with injury. They talk of OKC, except of course ignore that team lost it's franchise in Seattle under the plan and may lose a 2nd All-NBA type superstar for nothing if KD bolts. They talk of GSW who did a one year tank to keep their 6th draft pick. They don't talk of any champion bottoming out and awaiting a superstar to win. Guys don't turn into a superstar trying to lose. No NBA team wants players that can stomach 60 losses a season. Any GM that doesn't understand that needs a new career.
 
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jterrell said:
I know it seems I am picking on your team here and I am, but not because they are the Sixers or any fan's team but because they are tanking at an unheard of level. It is the philosophy I am attacking.

Hink is basically saying I'd like to lose every game til we get a great player. 2 years, 3 years, 5 years... just til we get a great player. Take a ROY and trade him for nothing. Stash guys in Europe. Just keep tanking and drafting til we hit it big. Answer to missing on Wiggins? Tank harder. Miss on KAT? Gotta tank luckier. Tank, tank, tank.

That thinking goes against everything sports stands for. It is competition and a willingness to be the worst for so long is appalling.

I've seen tank fans argue how teams are built but they do based on on the 1980s (with little to no free agent movement) or one season of Spurs where a League MVP candidate missed an entire year with injury. They talk of OKC, except of course ignore that team lost it's franchise in Seattle under the plan and may lose a 2nd All-NBA type superstar for nothing if KD bolts. They talk of GSW who did a one year tank to keep their 6th draft pick. They don't talk of any champion bottoming out and awaiting a superstar to win. Guys don't turn into a superstar trying to lose. No NBA team wants players that can stomach 60 losses a season. Any GM that doesn't understand that needs a new career.
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It doesn't bother me... I agree with some of what you say, but I see some things differently because I follow them. Your discomfort with how the Sixers operate is echoed around the league.
 
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RonSpringsdaman20 said:
Dalembert back to Dallas.... strange...
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Naw, not strange at all.
Mavs loved the guy as a person but he is reportedly battling alcoholism.
He is back on a one year deal as a back up and they'll try to support him.

Been talk for months he was gonna be back here, tho initially as a back up for DAJ.

Not a bad spot for him. He gets to be the defensive half of a two man center position by committee.
 
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This will create a large trade exemption of the Cavs. They can use it to get better during the season, or just save money against the cap. I'm pretty sure it will be the former....

The only Salary the Blazers will have to swallow will be Millers, as Haywood's contract is not guaranteed if released before the 1st of August.

Correction: two trade exemptions. one for each contract. they can't be combined in a deal.
 
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This will create a large trade exemption of the Cavs. They can use it to get better during the season, or just save money against the cap. I'm pretty sure it will be the former....

The only Salary the Blazers will have to swallow will be Millers, as Haywood's contract is not guaranteed if released before the 1st of August.

Correction: two trade exemptions. one for each contract. they can't be combined in a deal.
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Yea, that's a great deal for them. (Cavs)
They likely use it to both save money then also get better at around the trade deadline.
Half a year's big salary is not so big:)

They'll probably start the season with what they have and a maxed out Tristan Thompson.
Then look to make a trade with whatever contender falls out of it early.
 
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Set em straight Josh...
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/josh-smith-clippers/

When I found out half the sports world was calling me “greedy,”

Let’s just look at what I actually said so we don’t get it twisted. This is the quote people shared:

“It wasn’t about the money because of the Detroit situation, but at the end of the day, I do have a family, so it is going to be a little harder on me this year. But I’m going to push through it and try to do something long-term after this year.”

The whole thing about it being “harder on me” comes down to family. It seems obvious to me, but maybe I could have said it more clearly. If you know the NBA, you know that moving to a new team is a decision that affects an athlete’s whole family. That’s even more true when you’re signing a one-year deal. With a one-year deal, there’s less stability because you know you might be moving again in a year.
 
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