NCAA 2018 College Football

[BigDGarciaFan]

My UIW Cards lost to Montana State 35-14 in the playoffs yesterday

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

How about that LSU vs Aggie SEC defensive showdown... And I was told the big 12 can't play defense.,... Wow that score.

 

[jimmy40]

You’re high lol. Who else can say they defeated two division champs and two division runner ups in two different conferences? Who went from California, to Chicago, back to Indiana, to NYC, and then back to Cali for their ending stretch? Throw a night game @ VaTech for good measure too. They’re #1 in strength of record for a reason. The other conferences championship game makes up for the fact they get extra bye weeks during the season. Look up the SEC’s opponents the week before this last one, it’s a joke.

who were these great "division" champs do you speak of and Virginia tech blows and did Notre Dame take buses to these games? That Chicago to Indiana trip must have been brutal.

 

[jimmy40]

Who did Bama beat in their CCG last year? Oh...right.

When you're that good you get a pass, Notre Dame ain't that.

 

[jimmy40]

How about that LSU vs Aggie SEC defensive showdown... And I was told the big 12 can't play defense.,... Wow that score.

84 points scored on a 25 yard field, college OT is the dumbest thing ever

 

[triplets_93]

A step in the right direction is to make each P5 conference have to play the same amount of conference games. The ACC and SEC only play 8 (despite both having 14 teams) while the other three all play 9. So right there in scheduling is a discrepancy.

It’s an extreme scenario, but the only way to appropriately run the play off system would be to tear down the conferences completely as they are and reconstruct a 64 team CFP league. 4 regional conferences with 16 teams; 8 per division. Conference championship games count as the quarter finals. Conference champs then advance to semi finals, etc.

There's quite a lot of money already tied up in TV rights contracts for various conferences. Unwinding that would be something !!

 

[4th_and_short]

who were these great "division" champs do you speak of and Virginia tech blows and did Notre Dame take buses to these games? That Chicago to Indiana trip must have been brutal.

They've beaten #4 Michigan, B10 East runner up. They've beaten #20 Syracuse, ACC Atlantic runner up. They've beaten #19 Northwestern, B10 West champ. They've beaten #24 Pitt, ACC Coastal champ. 5 Ws against ranked opponents. 7 victories over opponents with .500 or better records (pending 8 when VaTech plays Marshall this weekend). 4 of their last 5 games were on the road, several of which included trips back and forth across the country. 10 of their 12 Ws are against P5 teams. FSU and USC are having down years, but they are certainly tougher competition than the likes of Arkansas State and the Citadel.

Notre Dame deserves a spot, no question.

 

[4th_and_short]

There's quite a lot of money already tied up in TV rights contracts for various conferences. Unwinding that would be something !!

Good point. It'll never happen but then again this system will never be perfect so long as it's limited to just four teams.

 

[jterrell]

A step in the right direction is to make each P5 conference have to play the same amount of conference games. The ACC and SEC only play 8 (despite both having 14 teams) while the other three all play 9. So right there in scheduling is a discrepancy.

It’s an extreme scenario, but the only way to appropriately run the play off system would be to tear down the conferences completely as they are and reconstruct a 64 team CFP league. 4 regional conferences with 16 teams; 8 per division. Conference championship games count as the quarter finals. Conference champs then advance to semi finals, etc.

That disparity would be mean far less if you simply said each conf champ no matter how crowned goes to the CFP. 3 loss P12 champ, in. 4 loss B12 champ in. 1 loss ACC in,
That would alleviate a lot of nonsense and once in you gotta beat everyone else so fairness becomes less a concern.
It would also likely push ND finally to join a conference for football.


For everything else yes....
When you factor in a bias around top 25 PRE-SEASON then a team can be fairly bad in the SEC and rank far above reality as they were overrated to begin with, play a soft schedule with only a couple losses to highly ranked teams that do not really punish them and benefit wildly as top bowls pay out tons of money and games are often marketed/televised based on rankings.

Would a West Virginia versus Kentucky match up week 3 drawn much TV marketing and interest? I think not.
Auburn versus Oklahoma State? Probably so.

 

[jterrell]

They've beaten #4 Michigan, B10 East runner up. They've beaten #20 Syracuse, ACC Atlantic runner up. They've beaten #19 Northwestern, B10 West champ. They've beaten #24 Pitt, ACC Coastal champ. 5 Ws against ranked opponents. 7 victories over opponents with .500 or better records (pending 8 when VaTech plays Marshall this weekend). 4 of their last 5 games were on the road, several of which included trips back and forth across the country. 10 of their 12 Ws are against P5 teams. FSU and USC are having down years, but they are certainly tougher competition than the likes of Arkansas State and the Citadel.

Notre Dame deserves a spot, no question.

ND's issue is simple. They aren't in a conf so can't get the extra data point versus a good team in a champ game.
Were they actually in the ACC they'd be playing Clemson. And even if the lost but it was close they'd have a better argument than they do by not playing them at all.

But they don't so are more at mercy of how other teams perform and USC was trash this year as was FSU.
In this system they get in because they are ND but it is a mess just the same.

And there is an extreme likelihood they will have played zero Conf Champs.
They have played some teams that make CCG games but there is an extreme likelihood after CCG's ND will have played 1 final top 20 team. (Syracuse/Northwestern hanging on by a thread now)

NO other school in the country gets in with that set up.
UCF beat Pitt by 30. ND won by 5.
They both beat Navy by double digits tho ND by 22 and UCF by 11.

 

[4th_and_short]

ND's issue is simple. They aren't in a conf so can't get the extra data point versus a good team in a champ game.
Were they actually in the ACC they'd be playing Clemson. And even if the lost but it was close they'd have a better argument than they do by not playing them at all.

But they don't so are more at mercy of how other teams perform and USC was trash this year as was FSU.
In this system they get in because they are ND but it is a mess just the same.

And there is an extreme likelihood they will have played zero Conf Champs.
They have played some teams that make CCG games but there is an extreme likelihood after CCG's ND will have played 1 final top 20 team. (Syracuse/Northwestern hanging on by a thread now)

NO other school in the country gets in with that set up.
UCF beat Pitt by 30. ND won by 5.
They both beat Navy by double digits tho ND by 22 and UCF by 11.

Nobody has beaten any conference champions at this point, so I don’t really see your point there. If Ohio State and Clemson benefit from beating Northwestern and Pitt, how does that not also apply to ND? No other team can say they’ve beaten CCG reps from two different conferences. That could be because of ND’s freedom with scheduling as an independent, but it’s still an important factor.

I think the committee looks at teams for how they were ranked when they played those games, which puts ND at 5 wins against ranked opponents. I could be wrong though.

If you look at the other teams who are in the playoff hunt, you’ll see that ND’s wins against ranked/P5 teams is already at where Bama/Clemson will be AFTER their CCG, so in a way ND played a tougher regular season schedule to make up for the lack of a CCG. The committee has also already set the precedent that winning a CCG isn’t necessary to be included, so really this is much ado for nothing. Teams have gotten in that didn’t even win their division. ND is ranked where they are on the merit that they went undefeated with a schedule that the average ranked team would have less than a 5% chance to finish with a 12-0 record.

Say what you want about FSU and USC being bad, I don’t deny that, but they are still better wins than FCS or non-P5 team blowouts at home.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

People need to quit going on about Notre Dame.

They will get in whether they deserve it or not.

They will not let an undefeated ND out of the playoffs unless there were 4 undefeated conference champs sitting there and there are only going to be two at most.

Now with that said...Whether it be in the first playoff game or they make it to the Championship game...I hope they get absolutely obliterated and embarrassed on the scale of their last game with Alabama in 2013 and that 42-14 drubbing was even worse than the score indicated.

 

[DFWJC]

Nobody has beaten any conference champions at this point, so I don’t really see your point there. If Ohio State and Clemson benefit from beating Northwestern and Pitt, how does that not also apply to ND? No other team can say they’ve beaten CCG reps from two different conferences. That could be because of ND’s freedom with scheduling as an independent, but it’s still an important factor.

I think the committee looks at teams for how they were ranked when they played those games, which puts ND at 5 wins against ranked opponents. I could be wrong though.

If you look at the other teams who are in the playoff hunt, you’ll see that ND’s wins against ranked/P5 teams is already at where Bama/Clemson will be AFTER their CCG, so in a way ND played a tougher regular season schedule to make up for the lack of a CCG. The committee has also already set the precedent that winning a CCG isn’t necessary to be included, so really this is much ado for nothing. Teams have gotten in that didn’t even win their division. ND is ranked where they are on the merit that they went undefeated with a schedule that the average ranked team would have less than a 5% chance to finish with a 12-0 record.

Say what you want about FSU and USC being bad, I don’t deny that, but they are still better wins than FCS or non-P5 team blowouts at home.

I don't think the committee looks at where the team was ranked when they played as much as where they were much later.
There are far too many teams way over (or under) ranked early in the season.

Florida St is a good example for this season. Ranked 19th preseason.
They were truly awful this year and beating them at the beginning of the year when they were overrated should not (and will not) help anyone.
Va Tech too.

On the flip side, teams like Utah, Northwestern, and LSU....though not great....were much better than preseason expectations. So losing to them early when unranked shouldn't hurt as much.

 

[DFWJC]

Surprised Mack Brown is going back to coach North Carolina again. The man is pretty old at this stage. They were pretty decent for about 7-8 years when he was there. But that was a very long time ago.
I guess he'll just try to build a great staff around him like he always has, and go from there.
Seems odd

 

[4th_and_short]

Surprised Mack Brown is going back to coach North Carolina again. The man is pretty old at this stage. They were pretty decent for about 7-8 years when he was there. But that was a very long time ago.
I guess he'll just try to build a great staff around him like he always has, and go from there.
Seems odd

That surprised me as well. I figured he’d be pretty comfortable with the broadcasting gig

 

[4th_and_short]

People need to quit going on about Notre Dame.

They will get in whether they deserve it or not.

They will not let an undefeated ND out of the playoffs unless there were 4 undefeated conference champs sitting there and there are only going to be two at most.

Now with that said...Whether it be in the first playoff game or they make it to the Championship game...I hope they get absolutely obliterated and embarrassed on the scale of their last game with Alabama in 2013 and that 42-14 drubbing was even worse than the score indicated.

I’ll take you up on that action

 

[jterrell]

Nobody has beaten any conference champions at this point, so I don’t really see your point there. If Ohio State and Clemson benefit from beating Northwestern and Pitt, how does that not also apply to ND? No other team can say they’ve beaten CCG reps from two different conferences. That could be because of ND’s freedom with scheduling as an independent, but it’s still an important factor.

I think the committee looks at teams for how they were ranked when they played those games, which puts ND at 5 wins against ranked opponents. I could be wrong though.

If you look at the other teams who are in the playoff hunt, you’ll see that ND’s wins against ranked/P5 teams is already at where Bama/Clemson will be AFTER their CCG, so in a way ND played a tougher regular season schedule to make up for the lack of a CCG. The committee has also already set the precedent that winning a CCG isn’t necessary to be included, so really this is much ado for nothing. Teams have gotten in that didn’t even win their division. ND is ranked where they are on the merit that they went undefeated with a schedule that the average ranked team would have less than a 5% chance to finish with a 12-0 record.

Say what you want about FSU and USC being bad, I don’t deny that, but they are still better wins than FCS or non-P5 team blowouts at home.

Ultimately you are missing my point. Likely because you are an Irish fan.
I was too as a kid so I don't dislike them... but I dislike the system.

Every other team has to win a conference.
That means beating all comers in that conference in a conf champ game.

Only ND and UCF do not win P5 conf yet get ranked highly.
UCF isn't sniffing the CFP but ND obviously will be in.
ND has had a marginally rougher schedule but those two have seen two common opponents and UCF actually has the larger combined winning margin.
ND has won 5 games by less than a TD.

It's a great record but not a great overall resume. 1 true top 20 (currently) team.

The committee has generally wanted to see you beat a top notch team or at least face one.

 

[4th_and_short]

Ohio State or OU?

That seems to be the big debate going into this weekend before the CCGs are played.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

WVU OC Jake Spavital to become HC at Texas State

 

[BrAinPaiNt]