NCAA | Agent speaks about Young's Wonderlic score...*Reportedly-16*

[baj1dallas]

my guess is that he didn't fill out the whole thing the first time for some reason.

 

[Little Jr]

So; they may actually take the highest score if the test is takn more than once.

Yes. Culpepper took it 3 times.

 

[AbeBeta]

If decision-making is important, then Vince flunked his first test by hiring a lousy agent and walking blindly into the combine.

Lots of ways to measure intelligence.

you can bet scouts are bribing folks at UT to get a hold of the kid's academic transcripts as we speak

 

[AbeBeta]

Now you're just speculating...

And you're wrong on both counts...

Well it is tough for folks to know. Since the mods won't talk about it.

I for one would like a public explanation. Not counting on it though.

 

[poke]

all i need to know about the Wonderlic as a measure of QB's
is that Quincy had a 30 and Brett Favre had a 22......
as far as I am concerned its useless.
lets give Young a chance to see how good/bad he does
playing before we make our minds up.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Well it is tough for folks to know. Since the mods won't talk about it.

I for one would like a public explanation. Not counting on it though.

You would be right... If it warranted a public explanation, then one would be given. However, this doesn't. And any future discussion about it should be handled via PM.

 

[AbeBeta]

all i need to know about the Wonderlic as a measure of QB's
is that Quincy had a 30 and Brett Favre had a 22......
as far as I am concerned its useless.
lets give Young a chance to see how good/bad he does
playing before we make our minds up.

wow. that's reasoning at its best. choosing the most extreme example and ignoring all other data.

try Jeff George at a 10 - ya think the Colts did the Wonderlic now?

 

[boysfanindc]

all i need to know about the Wonderlic as a measure of QB's
is that Quincy had a 30 and Brett Favre had a 22......
as far as I am concerned its useless.
lets give Young a chance to see how good/bad he does
playing before we make our minds up.

Unfortunately the people drafting him have to make up their minds before hand and this is one of the criteria they will use. It's part of the equation, especially for a QB.

 

[DanTanna]

So his COMBINED score is 22.

 

[AbeBeta]

You would be right... If it warranted a public explanation, then one would be given. However, this doesn't. And any future discussion about it should be handled via PM.

disagree. it is of interest to everyone who participated in the deleted thread.

but I see that there is not going to be a public explanation. and I'm not really interested in a private one.

 

[Encore]

Clayton -

• Re-tested on Saturday
• He was able to scramble and take the test for the second time.
• NFL Owners will look at this to see how well to learn an offense
• A 16 is fine.
• Makes the top teams ask him more question regarding the test and asking
  why he didn't get ready for it.
• This will create more questions about him.
• Believe that he'll take it one more time and do much better.

 

[WoodysGirl]

More on Vince and the Wonderlic ...


The bottom line is that Vince Young clearly wasn't prepared to take this test. Other agents have their clients take several sample Wonderlic tests before going to the combine.

Young's decision to surround himself with friends and family to be his agent and business manager will continue to be in question after showing up at the White House in jeans and after apparently bombing the Wonderlic.

Remember, agent Eugene Parker helped Cedric Benson go No. 4 overall in last year's draft - and Benson had so-called "character" issues. Young didn't have any character issues as of Jan. 4. But his decisions to go with complete novices to manage his career could end up costing him a bunch of money - for completely avoidable reasons. I'm sure it's not too late to give Eugene Parker a call.

Maybe to his detriment, Young appears as determined to prove his critics wrong about his decisions regarding an agent as he was determined to prove his Heisman Trophy critics wrong in the Rose Bowl.

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Vince and the Wonderlic


The rumors are running wild about Vince Young and his Wonderlic test score at the NFL combine. Rumors that Young scored a 6 (out of 50) on the Wonderlic were confirmed by at least one newspaper (Miami Herald) before reports began to surface that the computation of Young's score may have been faulty. The Houston Chronicle is reporting that Young made a 16 on a re-take.

The folks at ESPN.com are allowing you to compute your own Wonderlic.

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[BigDFan5]

We all better be careful in discussing this issue. Yesterday the mods deleted a similar thread. I suspect they also banned someone.

But they are being very tight lipped about it.

I guess one of them gets annoyed if we suggest Young is stupid.

It was me, I was banned for saying Darren Woodson was ugly

 

[boysfanindc]

It was me, I was banned for saying Darren Woodson was ugly

I think that is OK as long as you don't say Woodson likes guys!

 

[The30YardSlant]

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[WoodysGirl]

I think that is OK as long as you don't say Woodson likes guys!

I think I'll fast track that rule to Reality now...

 

[The30YardSlant]

BTW, ESPN has come out and saud that Vince did make a 16, but it was the second time he took the test, and that he will take it a third.

 

[theogt]

16 or 6? Is there much difference? Think about this: Considering the number of 50/50 and multiple choice questions on the practice exam provided by ESPN, someone *should* be able to score in the 12-16 range simply by guessing. So...Young's score, even if its a 16, isn't much more impressive than a 2 year old's.

As for the "argument" that the test doesn't mean anything because it doesn't test "football knowledge" (or whatever term was used), logic is logic and raw intelligence is raw intelligence. There's no distinction between "football intelligence" and other forms of intelligence. They give the test for a reason.

 

[AbeBeta]

16 or 6? Is there much difference? Think about this: Considering the number of 50/50 and multiple choice questions on the practice exam provided by ESPN, someone *should* be able to score in the 12-16 range simply by guessing. So...Young's score, even if its a 16, isn't much more impressive than a 2 year old's.

I think most of the items have 4 or 5 options -- if you assume an average of 4 options per item, getting 16 right would be a little strange if someone just guessed (a 6% probability)

But if someone were coached to spend the first 10 minutes answering what they could then filling in the rest randomly ..... not that unlikely.

Let's say Vince completed 10 items the first time he took the test and got 6 right (it is very common on timed tests that many answers are left blank). He repeated that performance the 2nd time he took the test. But this time, instead of leaving the rest of the items blank, he filled in an answer for all 40 additional items. Guessing he'd get about 1 in 4 correct -- or ..... 10 more points.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

16 or 6? Is there much difference? Think about this: Considering the number of 50/50 and multiple choice questions on the practice exam provided by ESPN, someone *should* be able to score in the 12-16 range simply by guessing. So...Young's score, even if its a 16, isn't much more impressive than a 2 year old's.

As for the "argument" that the test doesn't mean anything because it doesn't test "football knowledge" (or whatever term was used), logic is logic and raw intelligence is raw intelligence. There's no distinction between "football intelligence" and other forms of intelligence. They give the test for a reason.

With that said VY will be a very rich man come draft time and will be a top 5 pick and will be able to prove if he is a "real nfl qb" or not. Question why do you care so much if he made a 6 or not will it affect you putting food on the table?

You my friend need a little Haterade.