Ndamukong Suh Revisited

[Galian Beast]

We have to look to keep our costs low, especially on defense. Can't really bring in guys like this, we need to draft them. A problem with getting a lot of these guys is you need top 5 picks in the draft to get them. We're not going to be able to build our defense like that.

We're going to have to build it around guys like McClain that we fell into, and guys like Sean Lee if they can stay healthy. I don't think it'll be too hard to put together a quality defensive line. We've already made investments. The defense isn't as far as people think (myself included earlier).

 

[ConstantReboot]

At least he is taking it out on grown men, on the field, instead of women and children. Guy brings the pain to opposing players, not his own teammates, like Harvin. Suh is smart, nasty and has always had an intense work ethic. Sounds like RKG to me.

He would fit in Marinelli's defense. Sure he may ask for a lot. But he mentioned he wants to go to a NY team, Chicago and Dallas. Places that are high on endorsements which can earn him a bigger paycheck than the one's that an NFL team can pay him.

I think he's a savvy business person and knows where the money is at in terms of endorsements. Thus if Jerry makes that as a selling point we might be able to fit him into the cap.

I heard he has anger issues. So did Haley. Look at how that turned out to be. I'm not saying we should sign him. But they should look to see if they can work something out. It might not be a big contract that he's after but the endorsements that come from going to a particular market.

 

[ConstantReboot]

We have to look to keep our costs low, especially on defense. Can't really bring in guys like this, we need to draft them. A problem with getting a lot of these guys is you need top 5 picks in the draft to get them. We're not going to be able to build our defense like that.

We're going to have to build it around guys like McClain that we fell into, and guys like Sean Lee if they can stay healthy. I don't think it'll be too hard to put together a quality defensive line. We've already made investments. The defense isn't as far as people think (myself included earlier).

Suh might be the player that we need to take this defense over the top. Its no wonder that Detroit is #1 on defense and thats because Suh demands double teams.

Sure he might cost us a lot. But we never know until we try right? As the saying goes, you won't get what you want until you ask for it. He named off some of the places he's interested in going. NY and Dallas was one of them. Can you imagine him in a Giants uniform?

 

[Galian Beast]

If Michael Jordan had played in Milwaukee, he would still have been a great, great player but he never would have reached the stature we see him at today. It definitely helped him by playing in Chicago. He is a guy who made more in endorsements then he ever did with NBA contracts. I think it definitely matters what market you play in, if you are an athlete.

I agree, and I think this is missed out on a lot of players. Calvin Johnson is seen by many in the NFL as the best WR in the league... outside the NFL though, I don't think he is really a big name... and that's because he is in Detroit.

Being on the Cowboys can help elevate your career, outside football revenue, and your post NFL career. It would help even more if we started winning championships again.

I hate to admit it, but our days as America's Team at least what we were... may be over. An entire generation has grown up without the Cowboys and it is catching up with us. We have a window to get that back, but it's going to be tough sledding.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

In this day in age I dont understand why players still think that their popularity can get somehow boosted by what market they play in. In my mind, the Yankees, Cowboys and Lakers are the only teams in American sports that can potentionally make a player more scrutinized nationally. Why Suh thinks playing in New York or Chicago will somehow make him more nationally known is assine. Peyton Manning is probably the most recognized player in the NFL and he plays in Denver and played majority of his career in Indiana.

But to answer OPs question, I would be very interested if Suh was truly interested in us tbh. I think Suh is a great player and I love his intensity. The fact that Suh is concerned about his brand is a good thing IMO. Players that want to be popular and want to make more money in endorsements need to be great on the field.

A) silly to compare qbs to defensive players especially interior ones.

B) do you realize how much money these guys make with local sponsorships? It absolutely makes a difference where you play. Unless you think companies in Detroit are paying big money to athletes....

For instance Murray has many local sponsorship deals.

 

[Galian Beast]

Suh might be the player that we need to take this defense over the top. Its no wonder that Detroit is #1 on defense and thats because Suh demands double teams.

Sure he might cost us a lot. But we never know until we try right? As the saying goes, you won't get what you want until you ask for it. He named off some of the places he's interested in going. NY and Dallas was one of them. Can you imagine him in a Giants uniform?

Suh's cost would sink this team. I'd rather he sink the Giants. Can you tell me why Detroit has never had much success? It's because they're unbalanced. You have all your money tied up.

And to say that their defense is all about Suh, it isn't... look at their investments:

Ezekiel Ansah, DE - 1st round draft pick, 2013
Jason Jones, DE - 2nd round draft pick (Titans, 2008)
Nick Fairly, DT - 1st round draft pick, 2011

DeAndre Levy, OLB - 3rd round draft pick, 2009
Stephen Tullock, MLB - 4th round draft pick (Titans 2006)

Rashean Mathis, CB - 2nd round draft pick (Jaguars, 2003)
Darius Slay, CB - 2nd round draft pick, 2013
Glover Quin, FS - 4th round draft pick (Texans 2009)

Their defensive line has 3 first round draft picks, and 1 2nd round draft pick (though from a different team).

We have a 3rd round draft pick, a 6th round draft pick
(from another team), a 6th round draft pick (from another team), and a 7th round draft pick (from another team)

 

[The Quest for Six]

Dallas has 14 pending free agents, they aren't signing any high priced free agent players but their own

 

[Beast_from_East]

Rumor is that Detroit is willing to trade Suh before the deadline since they know he is as good as gone after this year...................the asking price is a 2nd round pick that could become a 1st round pick if Suh meets certain criteria (# of sacks, probowl, ect....)


Assuming this rumor is true, do you guys call up Detroit and accept their trade proposal?

 

[pancakeman]

Rumor is that Detroit is willing to trade Suh before the deadline since they know he is as good as gone after this year.

Seems kind of nuts to me to trade a key player away for picks when you're tied for the division lead.

 

[BAT]

Rumor is that Detroit is willing to trade Suh before the deadline since they know he is as good as gone after this year...................the asking price is a 2nd round pick that could become a 1st round pick if Suh meets certain criteria (# of sacks, probowl, ect....)


Assuming this rumor is true, do you guys call up Detroit and accept their trade proposal?

I would. Only interested in this season. The opportunity to start 6-1 does not come along every season, Cowboys are on roll, Suh would keep that momentum going and then some. Cowboys would have a lot of decisions to make next season, and who knows if they even make playoffs. A lot of factors involved after this year. Take advantage of what we have now and keep adding to it.

That said, Detroit is facing an opportunity of their own this season, and Suh is an important part of that #1 ranked D. Not sure they let him go.

 

[Szczepanik]

All cash aside, just imagine the "nasty" in the defense. If you get by Suh, you would meet Rolando.

That is scary.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Suh's cost would sink this team. I'd rather he sink the Giants. Can you tell me why Detroit has never had much success? It's because they're unbalanced. You have all your money tied up.

And to say that their defense is all about Suh, it isn't... look at their investments:

Ezekiel Ansah, DE - 1st round draft pick, 2013
Jason Jones, DE - 2nd round draft pick (Titans, 2008)
Nick Fairly, DT - 1st round draft pick, 2011

DeAndre Levy, OLB - 3rd round draft pick, 2009
Stephen Tullock, MLB - 4th round draft pick (Titans 2006)

Rashean Mathis, CB - 2nd round draft pick (Jaguars, 2003)
Darius Slay, CB - 2nd round draft pick, 2013
Glover Quin, FS - 4th round draft pick (Texans 2009)

Their defensive line has 3 first round draft picks, and 1 2nd round draft pick (though from a different team).

We have a 3rd round draft pick, a 6th round draft pick
(from another team), a 6th round draft pick (from another team), and a 7th round draft pick (from another team)

Yes they drafted a lot of players in the 1st round. But to say that they all haven't benefited from Suh's presence in the middle is an understatement. Take Suh away and I doubt that defense will still be singing along as it is now. Suh just makes them better because he commands double teams from the offense. That free's up other players to make the play. Just like Bryant commands double teams on our offense which benefits other players like TWill and Escobar.

I not saying we must absolutely have to sign him. I just wanted to bring up the idea of signing him because I believe he might be the missing puzzle to our defense. Our weakness on the dline is that we don't have a passrusher and a 1 tech that doesn't command double teaming. If Suh forces offenses to double team him he would free up other players to make plays such as sacks and QB pressure - something that we desperately need.

He might cost too much but at least we give it a shot with a price thats doesn't break the bank. If he says no than thats fine.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I would. Only interested in this season. The opportunity to start 6-1 does not come along every season, Cowboys are on roll, Suh would keep that momentum going and then some. Cowboys would have a lot of decisions to make next season, and who knows if they even make playoffs. A lot of factors involved after this year. Take advantage of what we have now and keep adding to it.

That said, Detroit is facing an opportunity of their own this season, and Suh is an important part of that #1 ranked D. Not sure they let him go.

If their record as a little worse I could see it, but I don't think they move him personally.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I would. Only interested in this season. The opportunity to start 6-1 does not come along every season, Cowboys are on roll, Suh would keep that momentum going and then some. Cowboys would have a lot of decisions to make next season, and who knows if they even make playoffs. A lot of factors involved after this year. Take advantage of what we have now and keep adding to it.

That said, Detroit is facing an opportunity of their own this season, and Suh is an important part of that #1 ranked D. Not sure they let him go.

In 2015 Detroit doesn't have a choice. He already said he doesn't want to play in Detroit. Wants to go somewhere like NY, Chicago, or Dallas.

 

[Galian Beast]

Yes they drafted a lot of players in the 1st round. But to say that they all haven't benefited from Suh's presence in the middle is an understatement. Take Suh away and I doubt that defense will still be singing along as it is now. Suh just makes them better because he commands double teams from the offense. That free's up other players to make the play. Just like Bryant commands double teams on our offense which benefits other players like TWill and Escobar.

I not saying we must absolutely have to sign him. I just wanted to bring up the idea of signing him because I believe he might be the missing puzzle to our defense. Our weakness on the dline is that we don't have a passrusher and a 1 tech that doesn't command double teaming. If Suh forces offenses to double team him he would free up other players to make plays such as sacks and QB pressure - something that we desperately need.

He might cost too much but at least we give it a shot with a price thats doesn't break the bank. If he says no than thats fine.

My point is that unlike Detroit, he isn't the missing puzzle piece here, and rather than be our savior he would be a ballast, preventing us from signing other key players. Why does everyone think we can just sign everybody...

And Suh isn't a 1 technique.

 

[joseephuss]

I heard he has anger issues. So did Haley. Look at how that turned out to be. I'm not saying we should sign him. But they should look to see if they can work something out. It might not be a big contract that he's after but the endorsements that come from going to a particular market.

That was before the salary cap era.

 

[ConstantReboot]

My point is that unlike Detroit, he isn't the missing puzzle piece here, and rather than be our savior he would be a ballast, preventing us from signing other key players. Why does everyone think we can just sign everybody...

And Suh isn't a 1 technique.

Suh can either be a 1 tech or 3. We'll have to agree to disagree here. I'm not opposed to signing him for the right price of course. However, I'm not opposed to NOT signing him also. Either way its fine with me. All I wanted to do is bring up the idea about him and whether he might be the missing piece. I think he can be but for the right price.

 

[Fredd]

wrong kinda guy....not sure JG would want this, but rod could sway him....but, will rod stay long-term with the team?????


but, I kinda see suh as the modern day version of Erik Williams...no one, and I mean NO ONE wanted to line up across from that guy....

 

[gmoney112]

Yeah, it's all well and good to say you "should" be drafting a guy like Suh, but often does that happen? 32 teams try it every year.

He made 1st Team All-Pro his rookie year. He's 27 and has made the All-Pro team every year but one, 1st Team twice. Guys like that don't just fall in your lap, you have to get them and pay a premium.

Considering that, you have to figure if he's worth the investment and to me he, I really think he would be. The cap situation isn't going to be nearly as bad as Galian is emphasizing here. I think we'll have a legitimate shot of resigning who we want, and be able to make a big splash in FA. I think Suh would be awesome, plus he always plays 800+ snaps a season, that's a lot.

I'm pretty sure Suh is consistently the #1 guy players vote on that they'd least want to face. If Rolando can keep his head on straight, you now have him and Suh on the interior of your defense. It'd solidify the interior of our defense for the next 5 years, and grown men would be scared to play you. The idea of our defense intimidating teams while our OL just blows people up is worth the salary cap hit.

 

[Floatyworm]

He probably is going to want more than we can afford to pay.

Get rid of Lee