New Man of Steel Trailer

[theogt]

The Nolan trilogy is overrated. If Heath Ledger was still alive, The Dark Knight (which is the only good one out of the 3) would be seen as just another good-but-not-great superhero movie.

There are two things I can tell from this post.

1. You concede that the Nolan Trilogy is highly rated.
2. You disagree that it should be.

I couldn't really care less about the second point.

 

[speedkilz88]

Here are the lists of DC and Marvel Movies and the imdb ratings. I bolded in the better movies that had at least a high 6 rating. There were a couple pre 70s movies that I left off. 1944 Captain America, 1951 Superman and the mole men, 1954 Stamp Day For Superman, 1966 Batman: The Movie -with Adam West.


1978 Superman 7.3
1980 Superman II 6.7
1982 Swamp Thing 5.3
1983 Superman III 4.9
1984 Supergirl 4.2
1987 Superman IV: The Quest for Peace 3.6
1989 The Return of Swamp Thing 3.9
1989 Batman 7.6
1992 Batman Returns 7.0
1995 Batman Forever 5.4
1997 Batman & Robin 3.6
1997 Steel 2.7
2004 Catwoman 3.2
2005 Batman Begins 8.3
2006 Superman Returns 6.3
2008 The Dark Knight 9.0
2009 Watchmen 7.6
2010 Jonah Hex 4.6
2011 Green Lantern 5.8
2012 The Dark Knight Rises 8.6


1986 Howard the Duck 4.3
1989 The Punisher 5.4
1990 Captain America 3.0 (direct to video)
1994 The Fantastic Four 3.8 (never released)
1998 Blade 7.0
2000 X-Men 7.4
2002 Blade II 6.6
2002 Spider-Man 7.3
2003 Daredevil 5.4
2003 X2 7.6
2003 Hulk 5.7
2004 The Punisher 6.3
2004 Spider-Man 2 7.4
2004 Blade: Trinity 5.8
2005 Elektra 4.8
2005 Man-Thing 4.1
2005 Fantastic Four 5.7
2006 X-Men: The Last Stand 6.8
2007 Ghost Rider 5.2
2007 Spider-Man 3 6.3
2007 Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer 5.6
2008 Iron Man 7.9
2008 The Incredible Hulk 6.9
2008 Punisher: War Zone 6.0
2009 X-Men Origins: Wolverine 6.7
2010 Iron Man 2 7.1
2011 Thor 7.0
2011 X-Men: First Class 7.8
2011 Captain America: The First Avenger 6.8
2012 Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance 4.4
2012 The Avengers 8.3
2012 The Amazing Spider-Man 7.2

 

[trentmonster]

Looking forward to "Man of Steel." If it is anything close to the DK trilogy, then it'll be a classic.

Batman will always be the end-all for me, but I do enjoy most of the Marvel movies as well. And now that Star Wars is back, there's never been a better time for those that enjoy this genre.

 

[khiladi]

the X Men and ironman movies blow out all other superhero movies

X men movies blow out all other superhero movies? You can't be serious....

 

[khiladi]

The Nolan trilogy is overrated. If Heath Ledger was still alive, The Dark Knight (which is the only good one out of the 3) would be seen as just another good-but-not-great superhero movie.

You can't be serious. Heath Ledger's performance probably goes down as an all-time great performance in general, not just super hero movies.

 

[khiladi]

There's nothing brilliantly structured about the Hulk or Captain America or Thor movies, or the Black Widow or Hawkeye characters.

They made a bunch of movies that referred to each other and led up to a team up movie. They made a bunch of money in the process. None of the Marvel movies are of particular merit in terms of filmmaking or story telling. But they're fun as hell to watch.

This right here... The story-line of these movies are nowhere near the complexity and brilliance of the Dark Knight. A tragedy for the series that Ledger died. I heard Joker was planned to be in the third one as well.

The only performance I think could have potentially reached that level of pure awesomeness of Ledger and his character, would be a guy like Depp as the Riddler. But that is a big if...

 

[Rogah]

There's nothing brilliantly structured about the Hulk or Captain America or Thor movies, or the Black Widow or Hawkeye characters.

They made a bunch of movies that referred to each other and led up to a team up movie. They made a bunch of money in the process. None of the Marvel movies are of particular merit in terms of filmmaking or story telling. But they're fun as hell to watch.

You obviously don't realize how difficult the whole process is. I really don't have time to write 10,000 words explaining the process to you, so let me assure you of 2 things:

1) It is FAR more complicated than you can possibly fathom, and
2) DC/WB is desperately trying to do the same thing, and finding it virtually impossible to get off the ground, to say nothing of actually achieving the success Marvel had.

 

[Rogah]

There are two things I can tell from this post.

1. You concede that the Nolan Trilogy is highly rated.

Oh, I certainly agree that the 2nd movie was very highly rated. The first and third, however, weren't exactly the most critically acclaimed (even as far as comic book movies go).

2. You disagree that it should be.

I couldn't really care less about the second point.

You claim you "couldn't care less" and yet you keep responding to me. If you truly "couldn't care less" you would just ignore my posts and move on.

 

[Rogah]

You can't be serious. Heath Ledger's performance probably goes down as an all-time great performance in general, not just super hero movies.

I liked Heath Ledger. I really did. But until the day he died, he was seen as just another actor, not this phenomenally talented thespian he turned into overnight.

 

[joseephuss]

I liked Heath Ledger. I really did. But until the day he died, he was seen as just another actor, not this phenomenally talented thespian he turned into overnight.

I disagree with that. Ledge was well regarded before he ever signed on to be the Joker.

 

[CashMan]

You obviously don't realize how difficult the whole process is. I really don't have time to write 10,000 words explaining the process to you, so let me assure you of 2 things:

1) It is FAR more complicated than you can possibly fathom, and
2) DC/WB is desperately trying to do the same thing, and finding it virtually impossible to get off the ground, to say nothing of actually achieving the success Marvel had.

I have to say, both Hulk movies sucked. I think CA was an average movie and Thor was less then steller, if not in the same boat as Hulk. I thought BMBegins was average, TDK wicked awesome and TDKR, I thought sucked. The Avengers was fun to watch.

If you want to talk about popularity and box office success, look at the Twilight series.

If Nolan takes control of the DC whole thing, look out. I think Man of Steel, will set the tone, of DC going forward.

 

[Rogah]

I disagree with that. Ledge was well regarded before he ever signed on to be the Joker.

Heath Ledger was a character actor, not a leading man. There's no shame in that, but it's the truth.

Don't get me wrong, he had a few lead roles, most notably "A Knight's Tale" (and he was co-lead in "Brokeback Mountain"). But at absolutely no point in his career was he seen as a Hollywood A-Lister.

 

[Rogah]

I have to say, both Hulk movies sucked. I think CA was an average movie and Thor was less then steller, if not in the same boat as Hulk. I thought BMBegins was average, TDK wicked awesome and TDKR, I thought sucked. The Avengers was fun to watch.

I'd say I 80% agree with the above.

If Nolan takes control of the DC whole thing, look out. I think Man of Steel, will set the tone, of DC going forward.

Ah, but Nolan doesn't want to do that and, aside from some ridiculous fanboy rumormongering, it is generally accepted there is no way that is going to happen. Generally speaking, these guys don't want to dedicate their entire careers to making comic book movies. And therein lies one of the main problems with doing this sort of thing (which Marvel has overcome): No truly talented director is going to want to sacrifice over a decade of his career working on a single project. They always want to do other stuff.

I'm looking forward to Man of Steel, although I'm not sure I like what Snyder is doing with the world which Superman inhabits. I'm not going to pass judgement yet on a movie I haven't seen, but it looks like Snyder has abandoned Superman's roots, and I am not sure I am comfortable with that.

 

[joseephuss]

Heath Ledger was a character actor, not a leading man. There's no shame in that, but it's the truth.

Don't get me wrong, he had a few lead roles, most notably "A Knight's Tale" (and he was co-lead in "Brokeback Mountain"). But at absolutely no point in his career was he seen as a Hollywood A-Lister.

I didn't say he was an A-lister. I said he was a well regarded actor. You didn't mention anything about A-lister at first, either.

 

[joseephuss]

but it looks like Snyder has abandoned Superman's roots, and I am not sure I am comfortable with that.

What do you mean?

 

[khiladi]

I liked Heath Ledger. I really did. But until the day he died, he was seen as just another actor, not this phenomenally talented thespian he turned into overnight.

That is because he died before the movie was released, though he was already, as the above poster recognized as regarded, though one may dispute 'highly'. Even if he lived, that performance would have gone down in history as an all time great, because it was simply mind-blowing.

 

[khiladi]

2) DC/WB is desperately trying to do the same thing, and finding it virtually impossible to get off the ground, to say nothing of actually achieving the success Marvel had.

It would be impossible in the context of a Dark Knight, because the movies are story driven, while the Marvel series appeals to even the average kid. When you add multiple characters in a story-driven saga, then the story easily suffers. Even in the Avengers, it was simply Loki trying to take over the earth with a bunch of aliens. On the other hand, the Dark Knight relied on twist and turns, as well as the dynamics between each character. I mean the last dialogue between the Joker and Batman, when Joker was hanging from the cable, was ridiculous.

 

[Rogah]

I didn't say he was an A-lister. I said he was a well regarded actor. You didn't mention anything about A-lister at first, either.

Then we're in agreement: He was a well regarded character actor. ANd there's no shame in that.

 

[Rogah]

What do you mean?

I'm hesitant to give an opinion about a movie I have not yet seen based on trailers and the occasional article. What I've seen and heard so far looks very interesting, albeit a departure from Superman's roots. I'll be happy to have this conversation with you 2 months from now when my suspicions will be either confirmed or denied.

 

[Rogah]

It would be impossible in the context of a Dark Knight, because the movies are story driven, while the Marvel series appeals to even the average kid. When you add multiple characters in a story-driven saga, then the story easily suffers. Even in the Avengers, it was simply Loki trying to take over the earth with a bunch of aliens. On the other hand, the Dark Knight relied on twist and turns, as well as the dynamics between each character. I mean the last dialogue between the Joker and Batman, when Joker was hanging from the cable, was ridiculous.

The Avengers was also very character driven, not just in the relationship between the heroes and the villains, but also between the heroes and themselves. If all you see is a "movie that appeals to the average kid" then it's obvious you just don't get it.