NFL Draft Scout rates LaFell the 6th best senior in this draft, NFL Draft Countdown rates him 7th best... but because YOU think he could fall 15-20 places, we're supposed to accept that??
Give me one draft where someone was drafted in the same spot that they were ranked. Since you love NFLDraftscout so much. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock Both of those mocks have him going in the late 20's one of them has him going to us so yeah can't wait for you to say that they don't know what they're doing and they have him ranked 7th. Your point invalidated. Nice try though.
My argument was that your rating of him was ridiculously low, based on the EXPERTS' ratings, and you've done nothing to disprove that... I have facts on my side, you have your comically biased opinion...
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock Seems about right to me man . But I'm just blowing smoke I guess.
Not so long ago, the Cowboys had a draft guru who thought like you do, and by the time he was done, Cowboys fans everywhere HATED him... I refer to Larry Lacewell, and he had the same irrational fondness for players from the SEC that you do...
Na I actually am not that big on SeC players. I try to get people from everywhere. I don't think SeC = success in the NFL i've stated that many times before.
Listen, it makes sense to look at players from the most successful programs, because those programs get successful by getting the better players... but to assume that because Player X went to University Y, he'll be a good pro is ASININE...
It's not asinine in the least. It's looking from the past to make a prediction on what to expect from the future. You want kids from big time programs because you believe them to be better coached and prepared to make the transition to the NFL than small school programs. Is that to say that all big time college players from big schools make it no. I'm just looking at players success from a program and expect the say thing from someone with similar stats build and from the same school.
Which is why you suck as a draft guru... seems you'd draft players from the schools you like, and ignore altogether anybody who happened to play for a school you don't like...
If that was the case I'd draft everyone from Miami and just pass on anyone from the SeC pac10 or any other school. I try to take a reasonable approach and judge everyone on the same playing field. The things that stick out to me are seniors and stats. I like seniors who produce so I will put them in my mocks. I like people from big time schools because they get it done against big time talent. That's not to say I haven't back small school players because I have. I do that all the time. I also like looking up school small players and finding that diamond in the rough.
Me, I'm a Horns fan, but there are a number of their draft prospects this year that I wouldn't want to see in a Cowboys uniform... and being a Horns fan, that automatically means I dislike the Sooners, but every year they crank out a player or two that I'd enjoy seeing with a star on their helmet...
I wouldn't want anyone from either team TBH.
I prefer TALENT over "pedigree"...
Talent is overrated. I've stated this before. Give me someone that goes out and produce with a strong work ethic. That beats out talent any day of the week in my book.
Point taken, and I give you props for a substantive comeback... at the same time, it should be noted that the 08 draft was one of the worst in a long time for WR talent...
Maybe it was but I think there was some good WR's in that draft some of which we should of drafted Avery Royal and Jackson are clearly standouts of that class.
IF he's on the board, we might think about Bryant... he might be, he might not; on pure talent alone, he's probably a top 15 or 20 pick, but his off-field problems this year might push him down... that's why I'd look at him if he was on the board when the Boys' first pick rolls around, he'd be a great value where they'd be picking...
Bryant is a top 10 pick even with the off the field stuff. If he feel to us I'd go after him. However I wouldn't see him dropping that far.
Most draft scouts rate LaFell ahead of Bryant right now, which is why I believe there's a great chance that Dez would be on the board than LaFell would be...
Care to explain which of these scouts have LaFell over Byrant.
And why exactly aren't you a "fan of Bryant"?? You got a problem with big-play WRs who are also lethal kick returners??
Because I don't like players who have all the talent in the world and feel as though they can do whatever and it's okay. I don't see why he jeopardized his JR season like this. But that's a warning sign to me.
Compare the stats of LaFell versus Bryant going into this season-- in 2007 and 2008, Dez caught 130 passes for 2102 yards (16.2 ypc) and 25 TDs, while Brandon caught 113 for 1585 yards (14.0 ypc) and 12 TDs...
I think Bryant still has the best stats.
So you prefer the receiver who had fewer catches, for a significantly lower average, and fewer than half the TDs, just because you're an LSU groupie...
I'm not an LSU groupie.
BRILLIANT!!!
And I haven't even touched on what Bryant would offer as a kick returner... LaFell offers the Boys nothing in that department...
Bryant can do multiple things that is true.
I haven't forgotten a thing... believe me, I've been doing this draft analysis thing a LOT longer than you have... even before I got my first PC, I had years and years of Ourlads and Kiper draft guides in stacks around my desk...
How long have I been making these mocks?
There will not be enough underclassmen in this draft to push players down as far as you optimisitically claim in this comical "analysis"...
That's true but you have to show me one season where a draft plays out where the person is ranked. All intese purpose lafell maybe ranked 7th among seniors that's rather meaningless especially when the site you're using him as a reference has him going to ous in one of their mock drafts.
I see, your mocks depend on teams reaching for players... gotcha...
It doesn't depend on that but it's logical to assume that teams will reach on players they like because they do. Once again look at the mocks by the guys on NFLDS. Then look at where I have LaFell going notice any similarities?
ROTFLMAO...
If what you say is true (it is true that he'll be a few months getting back to working out), then you're drafting him way too early, too...
It is true. However that's he should be back by training I believe and be able to work out then. I don't think it's too early for a player of his talent. I mean he isn't crabtree but he's still good enough to warrant a 3rd round selection.
Which is a LOOOOONG way from a "tackling machine" in the NCAA... you want to see college "tackling machines", I've got a short list for ya:
Tim McGarigle, Northwestern (2002-05): 545
Rod Davis, Southern Miss (2000-03): 526
Justin Beriault, Ball State (2001-04): 508
Ryan Fowler, Duke: (2000-03): 495
Grant Wiley, West Virginia (2000-03): 492
Matt Pusateri, Miami (Ohio) (2001-04): 485
Dexter Reid, North Carolina (2000-03): 466
Derrick Johnson, Texas (2001-04): 458
Abdul Hodge, Iowa (2002-05): 453
John Leake, Clemson (2000-03): 443
E.J. Henderson, Maryland (2000-02): 434
Adam Seward, UNlV (2001-04): 433
Barrett Ruud, Nebraska (2001-04): 432
Terrell Jones, Miami (Ohio) (2000-03): 424
Chad Greenway, Iowa (2002-05): 416
Alongside that list, 242 tackles in 25 games isn't very impressive, is it?? I see a lot of NFL journeymen on that list, not a whole lot of stars...
That list is depressing LoL.
And then you turn around and recommend the Boys replace Bradie with a player who doesn't make tackles for loss, or force fumbles... one who was good in coverage last year, but has regressed in that area this year...
Why wouldn't he replace james?
And again, if Angerer were playing for the Boys, he would NOT be playing Bradie's position, he'd be competing for the WILB spot (with his speed)... so Angerer would not be a replacement for James...
Why would he play the WILB?
No, he wouldn't... he'd be asked to play the role that Kevin Burnett played last year, that Carp is playing this year, the role we call the "cover 'backer"...
That's what Jason WIlliams is for.
And now, I think it's time to demonstrate how completely STUPID your criticism of Bradie's cover skills are-- in 11 games this season, opposing TEs have caught exactly 3 TDs, 2 of those coming in the first 3 games, none of them in the last 3 games... for the season, opposing TEs have caught 46 passes for 505 yards and 3 TDs... those are actually pretty damned good stats, and of course some of those receptions came on two TE sets (and Bradie obviously can't cover BOTH TEs), or while Bradie was on the sidelines...
Why is bradie james on the sidelines? Shouldn't our captain be on the field at all times? You mean to tell me James isn't a 3 down Lb'r and yet you defend him?
To suggest that he has been consistently burned by the TEs on passing downs is nothing more than revisionist history, and just more proof that you don't know what the hell you're talking about...
If you say so. I love how james gets a pass for his terrible coverage.
No, he's not... NFLDS has him at 91, NFL Draft Countdown has him at 71... that's 3rd round range, early 4th at the worst...
Look at what round he's projecting at man not only do they rank plays but that also put where they think he'll be drafted.
Those aren't bad numbers, but they aren't exceptional... you're making Polk sound like some kind of stud playmaker, and he's not... he might make a decent backup SS for the right team in the NFL, that's about the extent of the potential I can see...
I never said they were exception but in this round those a good numbers.
Only in your fertile imagination... I challenge you to back that claim up with some FACTS...
IOW, you hoped that nobody who knew what they were talking about would read this "analysis", and care to comment with some reality...
Refer to the 2008 draft for your anwer to that... pay particular attention to Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas... and look at how well they've worked out for the Skins...
Well according to you guys Rashard Mendenhall was a bust after he got injured. oops. They have Jason Campbell throwing to him a guy that yall say isn't an NFL QB but yet they're at fault. I love your convenient logic. Also they were making plays for them against us. It's only a matter of time till they start living up to their potential when they happens watch out.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
