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[silverbear]

I think I'm holding my own.

Yeah, you rag on people for criticizing you without offering substantive reasons why they dislike your mock, then when someone DOES offer substantive reasons (me), in the form of the opinions of recognized draft gurus, your only rebuttal is to once again offer your OPINION, backed by nothing...

As if your opinion is the definitive take on the subject... ROTFLMAO...

 

[silverbear]

Yeah I don't mediocrity is considering failing. or do you accept mediocrity nothing like 7th place trophies amirtie?

Perhaps if you'd take a stab at translating this gibberish into English, I might have a clue what your point is, and I could then respond...

As it is, all I can say is that "mediocrity" is AVERAGE, and "garbage" is slang for BELOW AVERAGE, generally considerably below average... therefore, anybody who understands the English language understands that "mediocre" and "garbage" can not be used as synonyms...

Basically, your calling Bradie James "garbage" is a rather stupid form of hyperbole...

I think of as me being a ground breaking thinker that can change the way people think

You can't be serious... and if you are, well, does the word "delusional" mean anything to you??

Perhaps for a sig line, you should adopt the memorable line from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid-- "boy, I've got vision, and the rest of the world wears bifocals"...

You really should get over yourself... you think you're possessed of a superior intellect, and you don't even seem to be able to write a coherent paragaph...

If you want to look at my mocks just search for them there's plenty of them I don't have them off the top of my head from 2 years ago.

Well gee, if they're so readily available, you'd think it would be child's play for such a towering intellect as yourself to track a few of them down to defend your position... LOL...

Thanks for the english language sorry if I don't post perfectly on a cowboys website...

Perhaps you should, if you're going to claim that you're smarter than everybody else, or as you put it, a "a ground breaking thinker that can change the way people think"...

I only play grammar cop with guys like you, who try to pass yourselves off as smarter than the rest of the posters in here...

Where do you get that from? I'd love see your reasoning. Based off my mocks? This December mock?

All of the above... just this mock demonstrates that you don't really have a grasp of solid draft philosophy (the whole drafting from schools you like thing), or the Cowboys' need (the whole drafting two WRs early, as if your WR corps is entirely inadequate)...

In addition, drafting purely for need is a sure-fire way to ensure that your draft will suck-- remember the Dwayne Goodrich, Kareem Larrimore and Mario Edwards draft?? That was a CLASSIC example of drafting for need... nope, a sound draft strategy involves a combination of best player available AND need... example-- if the best player on the board when the Cowboys' first round pick rolls around this year is a running back, the Boys still shouldn't take him... in that situation, if no other player is close to the same value, they should trade down... however, drafting a RB in the late rounds, if they see somebody with a specific skillset that they think they can use, would not necessarily be a bad move...

So you combine a bad draft philosophy going in with a questionable grasp of team needs, which is a sure recipe for disaster... a draft run that way would inevitably suck...

It's not asinine in the least. It's looking from the past to make a prediction on what to expect from the future.

Which is asinine, because the past is no reliable indicator of the future...

You want kids from big time programs because you believe them to be better coached and prepared to make the transition to the NFL than small school programs.

So, you wouldn't have drafted DeMarcus Ware??

Using your approach as slavishly as you seem to be advocated, the following players would not be part of the Dallas Cowboys:

Miles Austin
Stephen Bowen
Patrick Crayton
Doug Free
Jason Hatcher
Sam Hurd
Mike Jenkins
Curtis Johnson
Tony Romo
Orlando Scandrick
Jason Williams

I guess the Cowboys would be a better team without Romo, Ware, Jenkins, Crayton et al...

I wouldn't want anyone from either team TBH.

I see-- you want players "from big time programs because you believe them to be better coached and prepared to make the transition to the NFL than small school programs", yet you wouldn't want any Longhorns or Sooners... never mind that the Horns have the best record of any program in all of college football over the last 9 years, a team that has won at least 10 games in each of those 9 years, won a national championship 5 years ago and is a very good bet to play for the national championship again this year...

Seems you're talking out of both sides of your mouth, and proving my point for me pretty conclusively... you know, the point about you focusing on players from teams you like and ignoring players from teams you don't...

Again, I thank God that you're just a fan, and not somebody who actually has any say in the team's personnel decisions...

Talent is overrated.

Congratulations, you have just cranked out the single stupidest thing ever written on this draft forum...

Jimmy Johnson would disagree with you, he said you win in the NFL with PLAYMAKERS, or talented players... but what the hell, what does he know, compared with your superior football intellect??

Bryant is a top 10 pick even with the off the field stuff. If he feel to us I'd go after him.

And once again, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth; earlier in this thread you said quite clearly that you didn't like him, now you're saying you'd draft him if he fell to us...

For somebody who fancies himself such a great thinker, you sure do have a hard time keeping your arguments straight... LOL...

I don't like players who have all the talent in the world and feel as though they can do whatever and it's okay. I don't see why he jeopardized his JR season like this. But that's a warning sign to me.

His only "crime" was lying to the NCAA about the contacts he'd had with Deion... which he explained by saying he was scared that he'd committed a really serious violation by having those contacts (when in fact he'd just committed a minor violation)...

Not his finest hour, but only a fool would remove him from his draft board for THAT...

That's true but you have to show me one season where a draft plays out where the person is ranked.

But making a mock draft predicated on what you THINK will happen, with nothing concrete to suggest that your beliefs are valid, renders that mock a joke... at this stage, any mock with credibility MUST take into account the consensus of where the draft gurus have the players rated...

Unless, of course, you'd have us believe that your subjective opinion is superior to theirs... at which point, it's on you to show us why your opinion is superior...

It is true. However that's he should be back by training I believe and be able to work out then.

First, you misunderstood me, I know that it's true that he got hurt... he tore ligaments in his foot at the end of October, and NFLDS projects him to out 6-8 months... which means the earliest he could be back would be after the draft, sometime in May, and it might turn out that he won't be ready to work out at all until a week or two before the start of training camp... and that means he might not be ready to contribute much his rookie season... from NFLDS:

Minnesota wide receiver Eric Decker will have surgery to fix torn ligaments in his left foot, ending his college career and complicating his status for the NFL draft. Decker confirmed his decision before Saturday’s game against Michigan State. He will have the operation next Wednesday in Charlotte, N.C., with specialist Dr. Robert Anderson. Decker says he won’t be able to run for another five months. He’ll need eight months of rehabilitation before he’s at full speed.

This will definitely hurt his draft stock, and I think you know it... then consider that in his junior year, he missed the Wisconsin game with a high ankle sprain, and had arthroscopic knee surgery before his bowl game... this starts to paint a picture of a player who might be a tad injury prone...

Now, IF Decker falls into the 5th round range, I'd consider him a terrific gamble on future potential... you could draft him then even if there was a chance you'd have to "redshirt" him his rookie season (stash him on IR or the practice squad)...

But I surely wouldn't spend a 3rd round pick on a player coming off this serious an injury...

Why wouldn't he replace james?

Because in the NFL, his skillset is that of a WILB, not a SILB... a "cover 'backer"...

That's what Jason WIlliams is for.

And Williams and Angerer have very similar strengths...

Why is bradie james on the sidelines? Shouldn't our captain be on the field at all times?

Sweet Jay-sus... no, not when the opponents are in a 4 WR set on 3rd and long... that's when MOST teams remove their LBs in favor of more DBs...

You mean to tell me James isn't a 3 down Lb'r and yet you defend him?

Unless the opponents are in 4 WR, obvious passing sets, James should be, and generally is, on the field... but in those situations, no, he shouldn't...

Call him a 2 and a half down LBer, LOL...

If you say so. I love how james gets a pass for his terrible coverage.

Perhaps because his coverage isn't as "terrible" as you suggest it is... I've offered stats that show opposing TEs haven't really hurt the Cowboys too badly this year, but of course you conveniently ignored those stats...

Well according to you guys Rashard Mendenhall was a bust after he got injured. oops.

Gee, the only opinion I remember expressing about Mendehall was before the draft, when I said he was similar in playing style to Marion Barber, thus a Chris Johnson or a Felix Jones would be a better pick for the Boys... and a quick check of the record would show that I wasn't Felix's biggest fan (which was wrong on my part)...

It's only a matter of time till they start living up to their potential when they happens watch out.

LOL... Malcolm Kelly had a rep coming out of college of being lazy and unmotivated, and that's pretty much what the Skins have gotten...

Kelly has played 16 games, and has 15 receptions... Thomas has played 27 games, and has 31 receptions... yet you seem to believe that some day soon, they're gonna combine for 125 catches in a season...

Yeah, RIIIIIIIGGGHHHTTTTTTT... again, LOL...

 

[Biggems]

Have you seen me being critical of other mocks, pal??

I only chose to take on this one because a) it seemed to be to be so unrealistic, having players fall further than any experts are projecting them to, and b) because DBoys is so consistently rude, bordering on arrogant, toward anyone who disagrees with him...

Im just being silly Bear....dont go grizzly on me, hehehehe

 

[The Realist]

Owned!!!

 

[The Realist]

That was ugly.

Completely owned.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Have you seen me being critical of other mocks, pal??

I only chose to take on this one because a) it seemed to be to be so unrealistic, having players fall further than any experts are projecting them to, and b) because DBoys is so consistently rude, bordering on arrogant, toward anyone who disagrees with him...

I love how keep claiming this but the same site you're using as a player ranking database made a mock that had laFell going to us. What a joke. Let's just overlook the truth. Yes Lafell is ranked 7th out of Seniors. Is he a top 10 pick no. Will he be a top 10 pick no. Will he most likely be around when we pick in the first yes. You're blowing so much smoke it's funny.

Perhaps if you'd take a stab at translating this gibberish into English, I might have a clue what your point is, and I could then respond...

As it is, all I can say is that "mediocrity" is AVERAGE, and "garbage" is slang for BELOW AVERAGE, generally considerably below average... therefore, anybody who understands the English language understands that "mediocre" and "garbage" can not be used as synonyms...

Basically, your calling Bradie James "garbage" is a rather stupid form of hyperbole... Just admit that you accept mediocrity and you celebrate 7th place trophies. It's alright there's a lot of people who do that. Gotta get your victories some where.



You can't be serious... and if you are, well, does the word "delusional" mean anything to you?? Why wouldn't I be serious?

Perhaps for a sig line, you should adopt the memorable line from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid-- "boy, I've got vision, and the rest of the world wears bifocals"... I don't like that as much.

You really should get over yourself... you think you're possessed of a superior intellect, and you don't even seem to be able to write a coherent paragaph... I'm nothing short of a genius. Once again internet forum.


Well gee, if they're so readily available, you'd think it would be child's play for such a towering intellect as yourself to track a few of them down to defend your position... LOL... If you want to bring up my past mocks and throw them into my face then go find them. I'm not the one crying about them.



Perhaps you should, if you're going to claim that you're smarter than everybody else, or as you put it, a "a ground breaking thinker that can change the way people think"...That's why I'm ground breaking. I've already come to that conclusion and still don't care. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled off was making the world believe he didn't exist.

I only play grammar cop with guys like you, who try to pass yourselves off as smarter than the rest of the posters in here... Gotta win your battles somewhere. I gotta show some weakness no one is perfect. So hold your head high your grammar is better than mine. Everywhere is though....



All of the above... just this mock demonstrates that you don't really have a grasp of solid draft philosophy (the whole drafting from schools you like thing), or the Cowboys' need (the whole drafting two WRs early, as if your WR corps is entirely inadequate)... You continue to say schools I like. How many times do I have to tell you I don't like schools from the SeC. I've already stated I don't want anyone from Bama. Don't like LSU at all. But it's a big time program with players who has had previous success in the league.

In addition, drafting purely for need is a sure-fire way to ensure that your draft will suck-- remember the Dwayne Goodrich, Kareem Larrimore and Mario Edwards draft?? That was a CLASSIC example of drafting for need... nope, a sound draft strategy involves a combination of best player available AND need... example-- if the best player on the board when the Cowboys' first round pick rolls around this year is a running back, the Boys still shouldn't take him... in that situation, if no other player is close to the same value, they should trade down... however, drafting a RB in the late rounds, if they see somebody with a specific skillset that they think they can use, would not necessarily be a bad move... We need WR's. LaFell will be there when we pick. There's no reason to pass on him. Also you're forgetting key things like how bad we where during those drafts and as opposed to now.

So you combine a bad draft philosophy going in with a questionable grasp of team needs, which is a sure recipe for disaster... a draft run that way would inevitably suck... I wouldn't say it's questionable. I think it's more of valuing different position above others.


Which is asinine, because the past is no reliable indicator of the future... So if that's the case does that mean that drafting for need this time around would be as bad as last time. Please tell me why not on one occasion but two occasion you've looked to the past bring up Lacewell and Goodwich lattimore and Edwards draft. What's the point if the past isn't a reliable indicator of the future ?



So, you wouldn't have drafted DeMarcus Ware?? No I would of drafted him. I don't see why you don't get that. I thought Dware was a stud. So I would draft him. The same way I wanted to draft Chris Johnson.

Using your approach as slavishly as you seem to be advocated, the following players would not be part of the Dallas Cowboys:

Miles Austin
Stephen Bowen
Patrick Crayton
Doug Free
Jason Hatcher
Sam Hurd
Mike Jenkins
Curtis Johnson
Tony Romo
Orlando Scandrick
Jason Williams

I guess the Cowboys would be a better team without Romo, Ware, Jenkins, Crayton et al... I would of drafted Williams because I thought he was a stud. You can even check my mocks. I wouldn't of drafted Jenkins would of went with Cason instead. Romo wasn't drafted by the cowboys neither was Hurd nor Crayton. Scandrick was pretty meh I would of prob went in a different direction. Also felt that Hatcher was a stud coming out of college. But you're mistaken that just because someone is from a small school that I wouldn't take them. I've never said that. I think they have to produce extremely high. Half of those players on your list wasn't drafted so I guess I'm not that far off from what the cowboys thought of them. Once again go to my past mock I like small school prospect I look for them to try to find that diamond in the rough so to speak. It's not always big school big programs that I base my draft on.



I see-- you want players "from big time programs because you believe them to be better coached and prepared to make the transition to the NFL than small school programs", yet you wouldn't want any Longhorns or Sooners... never mind that the Horns have the best record of any program in all of college football over the last 9 years, a team that has won at least 10 games in each of those 9 years, won a national championship 5 years ago and is a very good bet to play for the national championship again this year... I think that's just to stick to you Texas guys. I wanted Orakopo and Charles. However, this year no one sticks out to me. I'd say shipley but RW is making it extremely hard for me to want a WR from that school. I also wanted Kelley from OU. But i'm able to bite the bullet when I find a prospect intriguing enough that I'd want him on the boys. Otherwise schools can keep me from wanting a player. They'd have to be really special.

Seems you're talking out of both sides of your mouth, and proving my point for me pretty conclusively... you know, the point about you focusing on players from teams you like and ignoring players from teams you don't... Na, that's not even the case give me one texas or OU player that's worth drafting this year?

Again, I thank God that you're just a fan, and not somebody who actually has any say in the team's personnel decisions... Already got the biggest fan running the organization.


Congratulations, you have just cranked out the single stupidest thing ever written on this draft forum...Na it's not stupid. It's the truth I consistently hear about how talented X team is but when it comes down to the end they wouldn't be winning. Just because you're talent doesn't mean you're going to be a world beater. Prime example of my point is Earl "The Goat" Manigault. I'll put more value on coaching, and hard work ethic. Those are the players that I like. That's what I think is important. What's the point of having the most talent in the world if your head isn't screwed on straight ? Just like Marcus Vick or Maurice clarett.

Jimmy Johnson would disagree with you, he said you win in the NFL with PLAYMAKERS, or talented players... but what the hell, what does he know, compared with your superior football intellect?? Anyone can be a play maker just make a play in the situation when it's needed. But getting by on just talent alone isn't happening.



And once again, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth; earlier in this thread you said quite clearly that you didn't like him, now you're saying you'd draft him if he fell to us... I don't like him. I wouldn't trade up for him. But he'd be the best player available at the time of our draft it'd be stupid to pass on him.

For somebody who fancies himself such a great thinker, you sure do have a hard time keeping your arguments straight... LOL...Coming from the same guy that quotes NFLDS but tottally ignores their mocks.


His only "crime" was lying to the NCAA about the contacts he'd had with Deion... which he explained by saying he was scared that he'd committed a really serious violation by having those contacts (when in fact he'd just committed a minor violation)...

Not his finest hour, but only a fool would remove him from his draft board for THAT... OBV i didn't remove him if I said I'd take him if he fell to his. You got issues lol.


But making a mock draft predicated on what you THINK will happen, with nothing concrete to suggest that your beliefs are valid, renders that mock a joke... at this stage, any mock with credibility MUST take into account the consensus of where the draft gurus have the players rated... You're basing your sole stance on where a player is ranked. The problem with that is one NFLDS doesn't give you JRs and SRs rankings. 2 they're mocks have lafell going in the last first which you continue to ignore 3 they also project a round which you also clearly ignore. It's more than just where their ranked theirs so many aspect you need to take into account it's not even funny man.

Unless, of course, you'd have us believe that your subjective opinion is superior to theirs... at which point, it's on you to show us why your opinion is superior... Once again they have him going in the late first they have player projection for rounds. Why is that so hard for you to grasp that concept. It's rather sad actually.



First, you misunderstood me, I know that it's true that he got hurt... he tore ligaments in his foot at the end of October, and NFLDS projects him to out 6-8 months... which means the earliest he could be back would be after the draft, sometime in May, and it might turn out that he won't be ready to work out at all until a week or two before the start of training camp... and that means he might not be ready to contribute much his rookie season... from NFLDS:



This will definitely hurt his draft stock, and I think you know it... then consider that in his junior year, he missed the Wisconsin game with a high ankle sprain, and had arthroscopic knee surgery before his bowl game... this starts to paint a picture of a player who might be a tad injury prone...

Now, IF Decker falls into the 5th round range, I'd consider him a terrific gamble on future potential... you could draft him then even if there was a chance you'd have to "redshirt" him his rookie season (stash him on IR or the practice squad)...

But I surely wouldn't spend a 3rd round pick on a player coming off this serious an injury... I think the 3rd round is a good spot to go at with this go.



Because in the NFL, his skillset is that of a WILB, not a SILB... a "cover 'backer"... SILB still needs to be able to cover the TE



And Williams and Angerer have very similar strengths... Maybe that's why I like Angerer.



Sweet Jay-sus... no, not when the opponents are in a 4 WR set on 3rd and long... that's when MOST teams remove their LBs in favor of more DBs... Phew good thing teams are only in that set on 3rd downs. Man if they lined up like that in first and second down who knows what we'd do. There's still a LBr in nickle an dime packages. But you're admitting to the fact that James is a libaility in coverage if he's taking out in these situations. Even we go to nickle or dime their still Lbs on the field. As a matter a fact i'm not sure of any defensive formation with out a Lbr on the field.



Unless the opponents are in 4 WR, obvious passing sets, James should be, and generally is, on the field... but in those situations, no, he shouldn't...

Call him a 2 and a half down LBer, LOL...



Perhaps because his coverage isn't as "terrible" as you suggest it is... I've offered stats that show opposing TEs haven't really hurt the Cowboys too badly this year, but of course you conveniently ignored those stats... I saw them just don't think they prove how James isn't a liability in coverage.


Gee, the only opinion I remember expressing about Mendehall was before the draft, when I said he was similar in playing style to Marion Barber, thus a Chris Johnson or a Felix Jones would be a better pick for the Boys... and a quick check of the record would show that I wasn't Felix's biggest fan (which was wrong on my part)... I just meant the boards response in general. It seems they get on players early in their career and just write em off. I'm not really sure why but Vince young is a prime example of this.



LOL... Malcolm Kelly had a rep coming out of college of being lazy and unmotivated, and that's pretty much what the Skins have gotten...

Kelly has played 16 games, and has 15 receptions... Thomas has played 27 games, and has 31 receptions... yet you seem to believe that some day soon, they're gonna combine for 125 catches in a season... I wouldn't discount them just yet. Like I said Commander on of the worst offensive I've ever seen. Jim zorn terrible head coach. JC has been on the verge of losing his job every week. Yet you somehow expect you WRs to come in and just set everything right?

Yeah, RIIIIIIIGGGHHHTTTTTTT... again, LOL...

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[MarionBarberThe4th]

I think I'm holding my own.

Holding your own = garbage

 

[silverbear]

I love how keep claiming this but the same site you're using as a player ranking database made a mock that had laFell going to us.

Let's see-- NFLDS rates LaFell the 6th best player in the country, but Rob Rang has him going 27th in the draft... even though he only has 9 underclassmen going in those first 27 picks...

So, even though he thinks Brandon is the 6th best senior in the country, he thinks he'll be the 18th drafted senior??

And that makes sense to you?? Let it be noted that his partner in crime, Chad Reuter, has LaFell going six picks earlier, even with 9 underclassmen going before that pick... which would make Brandon the 12th senior to come off the board...

Consider also that Rang doesn't even have Rolando McClain in his top 32 picks, despite the fact most experts having him coming out, and NFLDS rates him the 5th best player available in the 2011 draft crop...

IOW, though I like Rang's player analyses, I don't consider him especially good when it comes to cranking out mock drafts...

Will he most likely be around when we pick in the first yes.

He will, in all likelihood, be a top 20 pick...

Just admit that you accept mediocrity

Just admit that equating "mediocrity" with "garbage" is STUPID...

And I'll admit that I have no problem whatsoever with the job Bradie James does... he's not a superstar, but he has played above-average football in recent years... he's also one of the leaders of the defense...

Why wouldn't I be serious? [/qutoe]

Oh, I guess you could be serious about considering yourself smarter than everybody else, I just find it difficult to believe that anybody-- even you-- could be that ridiculous...

I'm nothing short of a genius.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... gasp... wheeze...

Yeah, you're a regular legend in your own mind...

Also you're forgetting key things like how bad we where during those drafts and as opposed to now.

What you're ignoring is that those drafts were gawdawful because they basically followed the philosophy you're espousing... IOW, they did what you apparently want to do...

So if that's the case does that mean that drafting for need this time around would be as bad as last time.

Yes, drafting purely for need is bad, period... that causes you to force picks, to reach for players...

This is indeed a bad thing...

The best draft philosophy is not to draft strictly best player available, or to draft strictly for need... the best draft philosophy is a common-sense synthesis of the two-- you draft the highest rated player available on your board who might fit a specific role on your team... and if that player is a reach at that spot in the draft, then you trade down a little, add an extra pick...

The key to good drafting is rating the players correctly, and properly analyzing your team's needs... your mock fails at both...

Please tell me why not on one occasion but two occasion you've looked to the past bring up Lacewell and Goodwich lattimore and Edwards draft. What's the point if the past isn't a reliable indicator of the future ?

To demonstrate that your favored approach has been proven to be an abject failure, of course... we're talking about two different things here; you're talking about a player from a given school probably being a good pro because another player from that same school, at the same position, proved to be a good pro... I'm talking about basic draft PHILOSOPHIES...

Apples and oranges...

No I would of drafted him. I don't see why you don't get that. I thought Dware was a stud.

But I thought the key to your draft philosophy, as outlined by you, was to draft players from proven, big-time programs, that those were the only players prepared to succeed in the NFL... Ware did not play for a big-time program...

So, IF you're being honest about your draft philosophy, then you're lying when you say you would have drafted him... not with Thomas Davis or David Pollack from Georgia still on the board, or Travis Johnson from Florida State...

Or more likely, you would have packaged the 13th and 20th pick to move up to draft Antrel Rolle; after all, he went to "the U"... LOL...

I would of drafted Williams because I thought he was a stud.

And how could you have thought that, when he didn't play for a "big-time program"??

I wouldn't of drafted Jenkins would of went with Cason instead

A player who has managed to start 4 of 27 games in the NFL so far...

Romo wasn't drafted by the cowboys neither was Hurd nor Crayton.

Crayton was a 7th round pick in 2004... you could look it up... but the point is, if you wouldn't draft players from small schools, how likely is it that you'd sign them as undrafted rookie free agents?? If you're true to your philosophy, you'd focus on undrafted players from the big schools instead...

After all, they're more ready for the NFL, right??

Scandrick was pretty meh I would of prob went in a different direction.

And yet, most draft experts considered him the Boys' biggest steal in that draft, and he has been a valuable part of the Cowboys' D...

Once again go to my past mock I like small school prospect I look for them to try to find that diamond in the rough so to speak. It's not always big school big programs that I base my draft on.

And at the same time, you say we should focus on players "from big time programs because you believe them to be better coached and prepared to make the transition to the NFL than small school programs"...

Seems you rely heavily on doubletalk when confronted on your opinions... LOL...

I think that's just to stick to you Texas guys.

IOW, you lied about that... gotcha...

give me one texas or OU player that's worth drafting this year?

And here I thought you claimed to be some kind of draft guru... LOL...

But since you asked, Oklahoma has a smaller than usual group of draft prospects, because they're underclassman heavy this year (they lost a LOT of seniors last year)... but QB Mark Bradford, OT Trent Williams and TE Jermaine Gresham will all be drafted in the first 50 picks, and in the middle rounds CB Brian Jackson and RB Chris Brown will be picked... of that group, the only that mildly interests me for the Cowboys is Brian Jackson...

And for the Horns, Colt McCoy, Sergio Kindle and Jordan Shipley are all likely top 50 picks... I like McCoy a lot, but the Boys don't really need to draft a QB that high this year... Kindle and Shipley would be nice additions for them, though, in the second round range... Roddrick Muckelroy and Lamarr Houston will be 3rd or 4th round picks; I see Muckelroy's best chances of success in the NFL being in a 4-3 defense, but Houston could move out to DE in a 3-4, and be pretty good there... he's awfully quick for a 300 pounder... OT Adam Ulatoski is a 5th or 6th rounder, ditto C Chris Hall, and I could live with either one if they fell to the Boys' 6th round pick...

Just because you're talent doesn't mean you're going to be a world beater.

Guess Jimmy was wrong, then... LOL...

Meanwhile, you can be the hardest worker in the world, and not make it in the NFL if you don't have TALENT...

Coming from the same guy that quotes NFLDS but tottally ignores their mocks.

NFLDS does a terrific job of identifying and analyzing talent, but their mocks are no more reliable than anybody else's... guess you didn't read the critical posts that followed Rang's mock...

I think the 3rd round is a good spot to go at with this go.

You'd spend a premium draft pick on a player who isn't likely to even be able to work out before training camp??

Wow... just wow...

Maybe that's why I like Angerer.

I see-- you like Angerer because you think he has the ability to be a good WILB, but you'd have him play out of position at SILB...

I actually like Angerer just fine, but as a WILB, not as a SILB... and I find your characterization of Bradie James as "garbage" to be ridiculous, so I'm not looking to replace him at SILB anyway...

Phew good thing teams are only in that set on 3rd downs. Man if they lined up like that in first and second down who knows what we'd do.

If a team came out in a 4 WR set as their base set, we'd put Bradie on the bench... as would most teams facing that set; only an IDIOT would try to match up an ILB with a slot receiver consistently...

There's still a LBr in nickle an dime packages.

Chuckle... OK, tell me who the Cowboys employ when facing 4 WR sets... what LBs, and what DBs are on the field...

But you're admitting to the fact that James is a libaility in coverage if he's taking out in these situations.

No, Bradie can't consistently cover a slot WR... neither can many ILBs in the NFL... that doesn't mean he's a "liability in coverage", though; a SILB's primary coverage responsibility is to cover TEs, and the numbers CLEARLY show that James is doing just fine in that area...

I saw them just don't think they prove how James isn't a liability in coverage.

Then you're incapable of UNDERSTANDING the numbers I showed you; all season long, through 11 games, opposing TEs have caught exactly 3 TD passes against the Boys... they've caught all of 46 passes for 505 yards, or an average of 4 passes for 46 yards per game...

Anybody who understands the game of football recognizes those to be very good numbers... if you can't acknowledge that, all you prove is that your standards are quite ridiculous...

I just meant the boards response in general.

Well, I'm not "the board in general", so when arguing with me, how 'bout you stick with MY responses, instead of trying to saddle me with opinions not my own??

I wouldn't discount them just yet.

This from Mr. "Past Performance is a reliable indicator of Future Performance"...

Again, the only thing about you that impresses me is your ability to talk out of both sides of your mouth at the same time...

ROTFLMAO...









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[DaBoys4Life]

Let's see-- NFLDS rates LaFell the 6th best player in the country, but Rob Rang has him going 27th in the draft... even though he only has 9 underclassmen going in those first 27 picks...

So, even though he thinks Brandon is the 6th best senior in the country, he thinks he'll be the 18th drafted senior??

And that makes sense to you?? Let it be noted that his partner in crime, Chad Reuter, has LaFell going six picks earlier, even with 9 underclassmen going before that pick... which would make Brandon the 12th senior to come off the board... It makes perfect sense or should I expect LaFell to go in the top 10?

Consider also that Rang doesn't even have Rolando McClain in his top 32 picks, despite the fact most experts having him coming out, and NFLDS rates him the 5th best player available in the 2011 draft crop... So what conclusion can you make based off of that?

IOW, though I like Rang's player analyses, I don't consider him especially good when it comes to cranking out mock drafts... Okay.



He will, in all likelihood, be a top 20 pick... No way how can he be a top 20 pick he's ranked 6th overall for seniors. I smell conspiracy.



Just admit that equating "mediocrity" with "garbage" is STUPID... I don't think it's stupid maybe mediocrity = failure will be more acceptable to you?

And I'll admit that I have no problem whatsoever with the job Bradie James does... he's not a superstar, but he has played above-average football in recent years... he's also one of the leaders of the defense...Na he's not above average at all. He's nothing more than Scott Fujita or Steve Shanle.

Silverbear once again all you need to do is look at my past mock to get an idea on my draft philosophies. You're assuming because I like players from big schools and big time programs that I will just write off school small players. Do you expect big time players from big time programs to have a step up and have better coaching yes. Does that mean that they're guaranteed to succeed in the next level. No. I just view that as an indicator of who I expect to be better prepared. It's not fact It's not law it's not rocket science. The draft is a crap shot so anyone from any where drafted at any point in time can be a star in this league. How do I know that these players not from big programs are studs it's called looking them up. That's why I liked Jason Williams.

As for the Texas Ou prospect are you really going to name a TE QB and OLB and expect me to possible think about draft them. I already stated my dislike for shipley just on the strength that of what RW does for us. As for Williams can he be a LT in the league? Do we really need to spend a first round pick on a RT ?

 

[silverbear]

Silverbear once again all you need to do is look at my past mock to get an idea on my draft philosophies. You're assuming because I like players from big schools and big time programs that I will just write off school small players. Do you expect big time players from big time programs to have a step up and have better coaching yes. Does that mean that they're guaranteed to succeed in the next level. No.

That's sure not how you were talking when you first made the claim... so after beating you over the head with the silliness of your initial position, you're now moderating that position, to something a wee bit more reasonable...

You could have saved a lot of bandwidth if you'd simply said this when I first called you out... LOL...

As for the Texas Ou prospect are you really going to name a TE QB and OLB and expect me to possible think about draft them.

Hey, you didn't ask me who I liked for the Cowboys, you just asked me who was worth drafting... again, you need to work on expressing yourself more clearly, Mr. Superior Intellect, because I answered the question you asked...

Now, if you're asking who I'd like for the Boys in this draft, I even answered that, if you were paying attention-- I like the CB from Oklahoma, Brian Jackson, in the middle rounds, I like Shipley in the 2nd, Houston in the 4th,and if Ulatoski fell as far as current projections have him, he'd be nice later round pick...

I also think that Kindle would fit what the Cowboys do, but he'll probably go fairly early, too early for the Boys to think about him...

I already stated my dislike for shipley just on the strength that of what RW does for us.

Which is another example of the utter stupidity of your profiling approach to draft analysis; Shipley is NOTHING like Roy, he is a very different receiver... in the NFL, he will be a slot receiver, and a very good one... and of course, Roy is no kick returner, while Jordan is rather dangerous in that area...

So to equate the 6-0, 190 pound Shipley with the 6-3, 210 pound Williams, just because they both went to the same school, is IDIOTIC... to sneer at a wideout who has put up 106 catches for 1363 yards and 11 TDs in 13 games this year, while also adding 2 long punt return TDs, is just IGNORANT... and for his career, in 52 games played he has 238 receptions, for 3069 yards and 31 TDs, while adding 4 more TDs on kickoff and punt returns... so while you profess to favor productive players from big-time college programs, you casually wave off a VERY productive, big-time player from a big-time college program, all because you don't care much for Roy Williams...

How stupid is that?? Any team that can grab Jordan in the 2nd round will be getting a friggin' steal...