New Offensive Line

[Eskimo]

Columbo was dominant until his injury...

I would have held him out the rest of the year, but that wasn't my choice...

I also think Bigg has a few more in him... O-Lineman generally have the longest tenure on the whole of any NFL players...

I would like to inject some youth in there, and we are older on OL, but not over the hill...

I disagree - Colombo was marginal until his injury. He is now far below average. Whether or not he returns to marginal is debatable but Free has proven himself to be superior (IMO) so Colombo is expendable.

Bigg is okay but he is feast or famine. If he locks on his guy the game is over. He does whiff a lot in pass protection but otherwise he gives Romo a good pocket as he can't be bullrushed. In run blocking he is occasionally dominant and many of our big plays are due to him caving someone in creating a huge hole. He can run and get out for the screen game but usually just ends up falling down and may miss his block completely. He is okay and will be around for 2-3 more years.

Kosier is okay except when he is manned against giant DTs in which case he can get physically overmatched. He is our best pulling guard and is exceptional in space. He is great when he gets onto the second level.

Gurode is also a bit of a feast or famine player and sometimes can be taken advantage of when he breaksdown on his assignments. He is probably the best Center in the league to go man up against large NTs. I doubt we are going to be in much of a rush to move him but he'll need a replacement in 3-5 years. Alot will depend on his next new contract renewal and which direction we want to move with the OL - fast guys who make plays on the move (Kosier/Free) or slow, footed maulers (Davis, Flo).

My preference would be a more Landry-like OL with guys who are slightly leaner and able to make plays on the move. It fits the current roster better with guys like Romo, Felix and Miles.

 

[sonnyboy]

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/team_depthChart.cfm

I count 10.

Were one or two of those guys on our practice squad?

IDK, but whatever the usual number of OL is on the final 53, we need to bump it up by one.

This team can not afford to cut loose serviceable veteran OL like Koiser, Columbo and Adams to keep and play untested younger players.
It also can't afford to not keep enough of these untested younger players to develop.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Thanks.

As it stands we have a bunch of FA's starting on this O-line now.

Kosier-FA
Bigg-FA
Colombo-FA

That means only two were homegrown drafts picks.
Gurode-Drafted
Flozell-Drafted

I hope and pray this is the year we target at least three O-linemen (OT, C, G) in the top 4 rounds. We have relied to much on FA's and as you already mentioned, it's highly doubtful we go that route the way things are going down this year with FA's. If we address these positions now it will determine how long our window of opportunity extends to remain competitive for a long time.

I sort of agree. We should focus on depth on the O-line, but I would love to grab a back up guy for The Big Rat, and some depth at corner and safety as well.

 

[sonnyboy]

Adams, Kosier, Gurode, Davis, Colombo, Free, Holland, Proctor, Preston, McQ

That's great. It's 10. But you see these bolded players, they can't play. Have no problem with them on the 80 man roster to compete. But we have to do all we can to insure 3 much better players occupy those spots come Sept.

IDC who starts or who is cut. All I care about is having at 12-14 OL with a lot of promise/potential for the start of OTAs and 9,10 or even 11 I know can play and play well by Sept.

If one or more of our current starters aren't starting in Sept or even don't make the final cut, that's great! It sure evidence that we upgraded the entire unit.

 

[sonnyboy]

I disagree - Colombo was marginal until his injury. He is now far below average. Whether or not he returns to marginal is debatable but Free has proven himself to be superior (IMO) so Colombo is expendable.

Bigg is okay but he is feast or famine. If he locks on his guy the game is over. He does whiff a lot in pass protection but otherwise he gives Romo a good pocket as he can't be bullrushed. In run blocking he is occasionally dominant and many of our big plays are due to him caving someone in creating a huge hole. He can run and get out for the screen game but usually just ends up falling down and may miss his block completely. He is okay and will be around for 2-3 more years.

Kosier is okay except when he is manned against giant DTs in which case he can get physically overmatched. He is our best pulling guard and is exceptional in space. He is great when he gets onto the second level.

Gurode is also a bit of a feast or famine player and sometimes can be taken advantage of when he breaksdown on his assignments. He is probably the best Center in the league to go man up against large NTs. I doubt we are going to be in much of a rush to move him but he'll need a replacement in 3-5 years. Alot will depend on his next new contract renewal and which direction we want to move with the OL - fast guys who make plays on the move (Kosier/Free) or slow, footed maulers (Davis, Flo).

My preference would be a more Landry-like OL with guys who are slightly leaner and able to make plays on the move. It fits the current roster better with guys like Romo, Felix and Miles.

IDK This sounds good. God knows we all hate whiffs. But it's tough when you have some 330 plus lb DT bull rushing your OG into the back field.

I like Koiser, but he's probably our #1 suspect to be replaced. I'll take a nice 320lb plus rookie 1st rd pk in that spot.

 

[Eskimo]

IDK This sounds good. God knows we all hate whiffs. But it's tough when you have some 330 plus lb DT bull rushing your OG into the back field.

I like Koiser, but he's probably our #1 suspect to be replaced. I'll take a nice 320lb plus rookie 1st rd pk in that spot.

Kosier is clearly a guy who had some trouble against K. Williams and Haynesworth at the end of the year. He is still quite good at the movement game. I wouldn't hesitate too much to replace him if a better player came along as he is now into his 30s and the last year of his contract. He would be an ideal backup OL at this stage of his career.

I don't mind the scenario of a first round OG but it depends on what the team thinks of Brewster at RT for 2011.

 

[AustnIsMySaviour]

I keep Gurode and Doug Free, move Kosier to a back up role, and let Colombo, Davis, and Adams go.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[burmafrd]

A healthy Colombo is pretty good despite all the blind people here.

 

[CF74]

Were one or two of those guys on our practice squad?

IDK, but whatever the usual number of OL is on the final 53, we need to bump it up by one.

This team can not afford to cut loose serviceable veteran OL like Koiser, Columbo and Adams to keep and play untested younger players.
It also can't afford to not keep enough of these untested younger players to develop.

Maybe Preston, not sure but I agree that you can't cut a starter until you know you have a better replacement. All 5 will be back imo..

I sort of agree. We should focus on depth on the O-line, but I would love to grab a back up guy for The Big Rat, and some depth at corner and safety as well.

No doubt. We've been very fortunate that Rat hasn't gone down. *Knocks on wood*

A healthy Colombo is pretty good despite all the blind people here.

Yep. Every time I see people blast him for the Viking game it makes me realize how unaware they are that #1 he was coming off a broken leg to soon and #2 that bad decision was on the coaches not to start a healthier Free.

 

[Doomsday101]

Maybe Preston, not sure but I agree that you can't cut a starter until you know you have a better replacement. All 5 will be back imo..



No doubt. We've been very fortunate that Rat hasn't gone down. *Knocks on wood*



Yep. Every time I see people blast him for the Viking game it makes me realize how unaware they are that #1 he was coming off a broken leg to soon and #2 that bad decision was on the coaches not to start a healthier Free.

Columbo did a good job vs Philly the week before so the coaches going into the game with Columbo starting I don't think was a bad decision I would think their intent was the same with subbing Free into the game however once Flo went down that option was off the table. Any way you look at it Columbo was going to play allot of mins.

 

[CF74]

Columbo did a good job vs Philly the week before so the coaches going into the game with Columbo starting I don't think was a bad decision I would think their intent was the same with subbing Free into the game however once Flo went down that option was off the table. Any way you look at it Columbo was going to play allot of mins.

He still gave up some pressure in that game but Romo saw it coming and was able to escape it. However, if I recall correctly he did get sacked once from pressure off the right side. It's also possible that Colombo left all he had on the field in that game and was spent for the Vikings game. Free should have started...

 

[Doomsday101]

He still gave up some pressure in that game but Romo saw it coming and was able to escape it. However, if I recall correctly he did get sacked once from pressure off the right side. It's also possible that Colombo left all he had on the field in that game and was spent for the Vikings game. Free should have started...

and even if Free did start Flo went down early on so Columbo would have played allot of mins regardless. I saw nothing wrong with starting columbo and subbing in Free

 

[CF74]

and even if Free did start Flo went down early on so Columbo would have played allot of mins regardless. I saw nothing wrong with starting columbo and subbing in Free

Unless you have a flex capacitor there's no way of knowing what might have happened...

 

[Doomsday101]

Unless you have a flex capacitor there's no way of knowing what might have happened...

I just so happen to have one thank you very much. :laugh2:

I think the Cowboys felt is was important to get Columbo back in the lineup so that they had 3 OT to help get them through the post season and with Free coming in to sub for Columbo they could do that. As I said no matter the view point on this in the end Columbo was going to play once Flo went down.

 

[Oh_Canada]

He still gave up some pressure in that game but Romo saw it coming and was able to escape it. However, if I recall correctly he did get sacked once from pressure off the right side. It's also possible that Colombo left all he had on the field in that game and was spent for the Vikings game. Free should have started...

Columbo wasn't very good at all against the Eagles....Romo made him look better than he was.

Someone mentioned Pouncey in the draft and I am starting to warm up to the idea. He's the closest thing to NFL ready of maybe all the draft candidates and could play either guard or center.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

draft and free agency bro

1-800-DIALAOLINEMAN

 

[Eskimo]

Columbo did a good job vs Philly the week before so the coaches going into the game with Columbo starting I don't think was a bad decision I would think their intent was the same with subbing Free into the game however once Flo went down that option was off the table. Any way you look at it Columbo was going to play allot of mins.

Colombo wasn't that good against Philly, it was just that he was lined up against a JAG who still made a few plays including a sack against Colombo.

Colombo was a nice reclamation project but he is not a quality starter in the NFL anymore. We would be wise to get rid of him for anything of value.

 

[Doomsday101]

Colombo wasn't that good against Philly, it was just that he was lined up against a JAG who still made a few plays including a sack against Colombo.

Colombo was a nice reclamation project but he is not a quality starter in the NFL anymore. We would be wise to get rid of him for anything of value.

He was also coming off a major injury before the injury he was playing good ball. I would rather him be in camp and if someone can beat him out of the job great

 

[Eskimo]

He was also coming off a major injury before the injury he was playing good ball. I would rather him be in camp and if someone can beat him out of the job great

He has already been beaten by Free so we aren't going to go backwards by re-inserted an older, lesser player with a couple of bum legs. The only questions are Flo's health and Brewster's readiness to go as the swing tackle. If both those pieces fall into place, Colombo can be shown the door because $5.5M/yr is too much to play for a guy #4 on the Tackle depth chart.

 

[CF74]

He has already been beaten by Free so we aren't going to go backwards by re-inserted an older, lesser player with a couple of bum legs. The only questions are Flo's health and Brewster's readiness to go as the swing tackle. If both those pieces fall into place, Colombo can be shown the door because $5.5M/yr is too much to play for a guy #4 on the Tackle depth chart.

If the coaches felt that way they wouldn't have sat Free to put Colombo back in..