New Offensive Line

[Doomsday101]

He has already been beaten by Free so we aren't going to go backwards by re-inserted an older, lesser player with a couple of bum legs. The only questions are Flo's health and Brewster's readiness to go as the swing tackle. If both those pieces fall into place, Colombo can be shown the door because $5.5M/yr is too much to play for a guy #4 on the Tackle depth chart.

Free did not beat him out of the job Free took over the job when he got hurt. Right now Dallas does not have to contend with the cap so the 5.5 million does not mean jack it would be stupid to get rid of lineman, hell if we are going to get rid of some lineman then let it be the dead wood on the bench like Proctor and McQ as well as Holland not a proven vet player.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

my ideal line would be

LT: Free
LG: Robert Brewster
C: Gurode
RG: Bigg
RT: Vladimir Ducasse

we could easily switch Free and Ducasse, as Free looked really comfortable at RT, and Ducasse is athletic enough to man the LT spot

 

[Eskimo]

Free did not beat him out of the job Free took over the job when he got hurt. Right now Dallas does not have to contend with the cap so the 5.5 million does not mean jack it would be stupid to get rid of lineman, hell if we are going to get rid of some lineman then let it be the dead wood on the bench like Proctor and McQ as well as Holland not a proven vet player.

No, we need those spots to groom some younger players and not keep deadweight like Colombo on the roster. There are the top 5 (Flo, Kosier, Gurode, Bigg, Free), the established kid (Brewster) and then there is virtually nothing on the roster after that. If we find enough guys to fill up the back-end of the OL roster than that is the route I prefer. I suspect we are looking at one FA acquisition and 3 draftees to fill out the OL group. Colombo may escape the axe one year because of the lack of depth and the lack of a salary cap but the end is nigh for him.

 

[Doomsday101]

No, we need those spots to groom some younger players and not keep deadweight like Colombo on the roster. There are the top 5 (Flo, Kosier, Gurode, Bigg, Free), the established kid (Brewster) and then there is virtually nothing on the roster after that. If we find enough guys to fill up the back-end of the OL roster than that is the route I prefer. I suspect we are looking at one FA acquisition and 3 draftees to fill out the OL group. Colombo may escape the axe one year because of the lack of depth and the lack of a salary cap but the end is nigh for him.

I agree the end is near for him as it is Flo but Dallas has a chance to bring in some quality players and can do so by ditching guys who serve no purpose like Proctor,McQ and Holland to bring in the young talent but give Romo some safety net with vet players who can still contribute. If we were dealing with the cap I would be more inclined to agree with you however because the cap is not going to be a real issue we have a chance to upgrade and have a bit of a safety net for Romo in the process. I think it would be foolish not to take advantage of this situation.

 

[CF74]

No, we need those spots to groom some younger players and not keep deadweight like Colombo on the roster. There are the top 5 (Flo, Kosier, Gurode, Bigg, Free), the established kid (Brewster) and then there is virtually nothing on the roster after that. If we find enough guys to fill up the back-end of the OL roster than that is the route I prefer. I suspect we are looking at one FA acquisition and 3 draftees to fill out the OL group. Colombo may escape the axe one year because of the lack of depth and the lack of a salary cap but the end is nigh for him.

How is Brewster "Established?" The guy got hurt early last year lifting weights.:laugh2:

I agree the end is near for him as it is Flo but Dallas has a chance to bring in some quality players and can do so by ditching guys who serve no purpose like Proctor,McQ and Holland to bring in the young talent but give Romo some safety net with vet players who can still contribute. If we were dealing with the cap I would be more inclined to agree with you however because the cap is not going to be a real issue we have a chance to upgrade and have a bit of a safety net for Romo in the process. I think it would be foolish not to take advantage of this situation.

Holland is a solid back up, in fact he looked better than Kosier till he got hurt. The only reason why he didn't start this year is because the coaches are married to their starters and very very slow to make any changes...

 

[Doomsday101]

How is Brewster "Established?" The guy got hurt early last year lifting weights.:laugh2:



Holland is a solid back up, in fact he looked better than Kosier till he got hurt. The only reason why he didn't start this year is because the coaches are married to their starters and very very slow to make any changes...

Holland has allot to prove and the fact he has issues with getting in shape. I have no issue of bringing Holland into camp and make him earn his keep if he can great. I do think if he is good enough to take over as a starter then the coaches will give him that chance but he has to prove it and in this past pre-season he proved nothing.

 

[Eskimo]

How is Brewster "Established?" The guy got hurt early last year lifting weights.:laugh2:

He is established in the sense that Houck liked him and views him as a future starter - maybe at RT. That means he gets at least wo more years on the roster to show he can play.

Holland is a solid back up, in fact he looked better than Kosier till he got hurt. The only reason why he didn't start this year is because the coaches are married to their starters and very very slow to make any changes...

It is hard to say what the deal is with Holland. He played all of one half before he got hurt after taking 12 weeks to get into playing shape. My guess is the higherups are less than enthused about him. He seems undependable.

 

[casmith07]

It's not as simple as that. Adams shuts down most of the top pass rushers in the league. And he gets no help. He should get help against the Dumervil's of the league. Some of that is on Garrett. Colombo gave up some sacks after coming back from injury. We also don't have the passing offense that Manning does. Our timing routes take longer to develop. Garrett needs to adapt to pressure better with more one and three step passes. The rest is on Romo. While he is great at escaping pressure and making plays, he sometimes appears to not be going with the quick reads.

Basically it's not just the OL that's the problem.

It's not on Romo. There are no quick reads when all drops are 5 to 7 steps.

Whenever people aren't open downfield and Romo is sacke or throws it away after 4 to 5 seconds it's because there is no quick underneath read. Garrett's offense has too many slow developing routes as you stated first.

 

[DeaconMoss]

RT= FLO
RG= KosFree, Brewster
C = Gurode
LG = Bigg
LT= Free, 2010 bundle draft pick to move in the top of draft for......

 

[CF74]

Holland has allot to prove and the fact he has issues with getting in shape. I have no issue of bringing Holland into camp and make him earn his keep if he can great. I do think if he is good enough to take over as a starter then the coaches will give him that chance but he has to prove it and in this past pre-season he proved nothing.

Pre-season? You recall how he performed in pre-season? Many on this board saw that he was a better option than Kosier but the coaches rarely demote starters.

He is established in the sense that Houck liked him and views him as a future starter - maybe at RT. That means he gets at least wo more years on the roster to show he can play.

The correct word here would be potential but I doubt they give up on him anytime soon. He's got 3-4 years the way they hold on to players around here.

 

[TheSport78]

Guarantee our OL will be this in 2010:

LT: Flozell
LG: Iupati
C: Gurode
RG: Davis
RT: Free

 

[Idgit]

Guarantee our OL will be this in 2010:

LT: Flozell
LG: Iupati
C: Gurode
RG: Davis
RT: Free

Why bother to guarantee something that's completely outside of your control, and even completely outside the organization's control?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Guarantee our OL will be this in 2010:

LT: Flozell
LG: Iupati
C: Gurode
RG: Davis
RT: Free

I can see that...drafting Iupati

but I have a hard time believing that we'll be boasting 2 new starters on the line, much less one next year.

 

[Wood]

must have watched different offensive line this year...because Davis was Dominant most of the time. Gurode and Adams had excellent years. Kosier graded out high and Colombo got hurt and Free filled in nicely. You would think we were talking about Lions offensive line

 

[lspain1]

must have watched different offensive line this year...because Davis was Dominant most of the time. Gurode and Adams had excellent years. Kosier graded out high and Colombo got hurt and Free filled in nicely. You would think we were talking about Lions offensive line

I'm not skilled enough to completely analyze our OL....but we had a LOT of sacks and our OL in the Minnesota game DID resemble the Detroit Lions. I'm not sure what is needed....but something is indeed needed.

 

[Eskimo]

Guarantee our OL will be this in 2010:

LT: Flozell
LG: Iupati
C: Gurode
RG: Davis
RT: Free

I could live with this group but I don't know if Iupati is ready to play next year and I doubt we draft high enough to pick him up. He will be top 15 by the time the Combine is through which is too far to trade up for.

 

[Eskimo]

must have watched different offensive line this year...because Davis was Dominant most of the time. Gurode and Adams had excellent years. Kosier graded out high and Colombo got hurt and Free filled in nicely. You would think we were talking about Lions offensive line

Davis is dominant when he doesn't whiff, but the problem is that he whiffs quite a bit. You take the good with the bad with a guy like him.

Gurode is okay.

Adams is on his last legs - hopefully he gives us one more year because I don't want Colombo out there in 2010 again. Free will the guy if Adams can't go.

Kosier is okay but is having increasing troubles with large DTs like K. Williams and Haynesworth - mind you those are two of the best. This might be his last year so we need to get his replacement ready to go for 2011. The guy likely comes in this draft.

 

[burmafrd]

Eskimo, why in the world do you think colombo is done? He broke a leg which heals just fine. Are you so desperate to play madden you want to get rid of an established starter and rely on unproven players?

 

[Eskimo]

Eskimo, why in the world do you think colombo is done? He broke a leg which heals just fine. Are you so desperate to play madden you want to get rid of an established starter and rely on unproven players?

I just think it is one too many kicks in the can for the guy. He claimed he was ready, the medical staff said he was ready, the training staff said he was ready and he went out there and stunk it up two games in a row. He wasn't just bad but flat out horrific. He was bad against Philly against a bad player than horrific against Minnesota against a good player. He is now North of 30 and always a guy who was quite physically limited following his initial leg injury which took a full 3 years to rehab.

If Free isn't the guy it'll have to be someone else because I don't trust Colombo's wheels at all anymore. Every team is going to attack him with a vengeance if we are dumb enough to put him back out there with the smallest, best speed rusher they have on the roster evetually forcing our hand to remove him from the lineup.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Kosier was one of the top two reasons why we sucked at short yardage right up there with Garrett calling pulling guards. He just is not strong at the point of attack and average DT push him back. Haynesworth made him his *****.

We replace Kosier in the starting lineup and we have instant depth because he can play both G positions and RT in a pinch.