New York Giants pull $60M offer to Jason Pierre-Paul

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You miss the part where he is an unrestricted free agent and the team wouldn't even gain compensatory picks if he signed elsewhere.

A guy blew his hand off and his team hasn't rescinded the tag and you guys are still saying guys should sign it right away in defiance of agents who have practiced for decades.

Tom Condon literally one of the best agents in all of sports.

He is fortunate that the Giants didn't rescind the tag. That is about the extent of it.

And way to paint that brush such that we all think with the same brain. Not signing the tag is a risk as the team can rescind the tag and you don't get the lost market time back. It is what it is.

As for what I think a player should do I think there is no one right answer. On the one side you get a little leverage to negotiate a long term deal. On the other you risk getting hurt and getting nothing. Depends of the dynamics of an individual and their circumstance to say which route is best.

 

[TheCount]

It keeps you from doing on field activities where you're most likely to get hurt and extends the only leverage you have against a team. Paltry as it may be.

People saying he should sign the tag right away are literally saying they know better than agents with decades of experience.

Dez could tear his Acl tomorrow and the Cowboys wouldn't rescind the tag.

Your original point still isn't clear. What leverage exactly does JPP have over the Giants for having not signed his tag earlier?

 

[Sportsbabe]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ork-giants-pull-60m-offer-to-jason-pierrepaul

The New York Giants are withdrawing their $60 million long-term contract offer to Jason Pierre-Paulfollowing the star pass rusher's fireworks incident over the weekend, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday, per three sources informed of the situation.

JPP suffered a hand injury Saturday night while attempting to light fireworks. He required hospitalization, and will remain in a Miami-area hospital for the next few days. Rapoport reported that, as of Sunday night, doctors were still examining for nerve damage and other issues related to the incident.

Given the timing of the event and the apparent judgment displayed, the Giants do not believe a long-term offer is in the best interest of those involved at this point, per Rapoport.

Big Blue's decision is not expected to alter the current situation, however, since the defensive end was not planning on accepting the deal prior to the July 15 deadline for franchise tagged players to reach extensions.

It appears JPP, 26, is set to play 2015 on the $14.8 million franchise tag. Pierre-Paul has yet to sign the tender.

Oh my...I wonder what Dez is thinking.?

 

[Nightman]

It keeps you from doing on field activities where you're most likely to get hurt and extends the only leverage you have against a team. Paltry as it may be.

People saying he should sign the tag right away are literally saying they know better than agents with decades of experience.

Dez could tear his Acl tomorrow and the Cowboys wouldn't rescind the tag.

So DAL would pay Dez 12.8m to miss the season and the right to tag him for 15.3m next year, or 28m for 1 year coming off an ACL tear.

And you call people out for making dumb statements.

The NYG don't know how damaged it is at this point. If he lost fingers or "blew his hand off" as you said they would be just as stupid to pay him 14m.

 

[TheCount]

Oh my...I wonder what Dez is thinking.?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

So DAL would pay Dez 12.8m to miss the season and the right to tag him for 15.3m next year, or 28m for 1 year coming off an ACL tear.

And you call people out for making dumb statements.

The NYG don't know how damaged it is at this point. If he lost fingers or "blew his hand off" as you said they would be just as stupid to pay him 14m.

They would use it to sign him long term. This is the team that signed Barry Church while he had a torn Achilles.

They wouldn't simply walk away from Dez because he was gone for a single year.

Please think about what's going on and what rescinding the tag actually means.

 

[dogunwo]

Wow, I can't believe this is being missed here. JPP can refuse to let the Giants examine him, no choice but to pull the franchise tag. at that point he's an unrestricted free agent who has a good chance of finding a much better contract than the Giants offered. No one finds it interesting that there have been no solid details on the injury?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Your original point still isn't clear. What leverage exactly does JPP have over the Giants for having not signed his tag earlier?

He can withhold himself from all summer activities without penalty. He can also threaten to miss games.

If there was no leverage to be had why do franchise players routinely not sign the tag? If there was only downside why would any agent counsel this?

 

[Nightman]

They would use it to sign him long term. This is the team that signed Barry Church while he had a torn Achilles.

They wouldn't simply walk away from Dez because he was gone for a single year.

Please think about what's going on and what rescinding the tag actually means.

He would be a Free Agent. They wouldn't have to walk away or pay him 12.8m to negotiate a new deal.

 

[Nightman]

Wow, I can't believe this is being missed here. JPP can refuse to let the Giants examine him, no choice but to pull the franchise tag. at that point he's an unrestricted free agent who has a good chance of finding a much better contract than the Giants offered. No one finds it interesting that there have been no solid details on the injury?

If he gets hurt lighting fireworks and signs the tender the NYG can put him on the Non Football Injury list and not pay him. They are protected if he can't play and have his rights if he can play.

I still think they have the right to demand a physical.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

He would be a Free Agent. They wouldn't have to walk away or pay him 12.8m to negotiate a new deal.

You don't think a downtrodden team takes a big risk on him? You don't get a chance to acquire a free agent of Dez's caliber everyday. ACL injuries are not a big deal these days. If you're the Jags or Raiders or really insert any team...you don't sign Dez to a big deal and take him fresh in his age 27 season?

Someone would.

I'm glad you're not our gm.

 

[Rogah]

Wow, I can't believe this is being missed here. JPP can refuse to let the Giants examine him, no choice but to pull the franchise tag. at that point he's an unrestricted free agent who has a good chance of finding a much better contract than the Giants offered.

There is no reason for the Giants to pull the franchise tag. If JPP signs the franchise tag (insert joke here) but can't play, the Giants don't have to pay him for missed games.

 

[Nightman]

You don't think a downtrodden team takes a big risk on him? You don't get a chance to acquire a free agent of Dez's caliber everyday. ACL injuries are not a big deal these days. If you're the Jags or Raiders or really insert any team...you don't sign Dez to a big deal and take him fresh in his age 27 season?

Someone would.

I'm glad you're not our gm.

You can pay 28m for a rehabbing Dez all day in your 'fantasy' league

 

[Nightman]

There is no reason for the Giants to pull the franchise tag. If JPP signs the franchise tag (insert joke here) but can't play, the Giants don't have to pay him for missed games.

They have to keep the 14m in cap space tied up though.

If he was going to miss a lot of time(8-16 weeks) I would pull the tag.

A few weeks and I would allow it

 

[Rogah]

They have to keep the 14m in cap space tied up though.

If he was going to miss a lot of time(8-16 weeks) I would pull the tag.

A few weeks and I would allow it

That makes sense, but I was working on dogunwo's hypothetical where we assume no one (except JPP) has any idea how serious it is and how long he will be out and he doesn't let the Giants look at him.

I don't think a player can refuse to let his team's doctors examine him (but I am honestly not sure) and so I was going along with an interesting hypothetical.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You can pay 28m for a rehabbing Dez all day in your 'fantasy' league

Do you always make up the other side's argument in every debate?

Please tell me where I said we should pay Dez 30m for 1 year.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

i think it is a way to thin the herd

 

[dogunwo]

i think it is a way to thin the herd

What the **** does that mean? Gosh, I wish you would just speak regular sometimes damnit.

 

[guag]

What the **** does that mean? Gosh, I wish you would just speak regular sometimes damnit.

 

[Nightman]

Do you always make up the other side's argument in every debate?

Please tell me where I said we should pay Dez 30m for 1 year.

You said if Dez tore his ACL Dallas wouldn't and shouldn't pull the tag.

That means they would pay him 12.8m this year to be injured so they could own the right to pay him 15.3m next year.

You were afraid of losing him to OAK so I assumed you had to tag him again. If you were counting on signing him as a FA to a long term deal you don't need to pay him 12.8m this year.

If another team wants to sign him to a long term deal THIS season after tearing his ACL so be it. Some WRs never come back from injuries.