Newman - how many have faith?

[Clove]

yea i meant over.....

im just saying...you think him not getting ints, makes or break him..is dumb...you dont understand the sport..everyone gets burnt...or caught on...even the Great Sanders..and ints dont make you a good corner

You lost me there.

 

[Clove]

yes i have....but i got hurt(knee) and just decided to chase skirts in school after that....and now im studying for EMT

i still play pick up....and organized for my City, and might consider a semi pro league

im not saying i know more than anybody...but i know when someone is pretending to know that they know, and at the same time, i still know my ish

to say Newman is number 9, but not backing it up with names, lets me know, you aren't even confident in that statement

I was a receiver, but I always wanted to play corner. I did play corner in flag ball which is much different, but no one ever scored on me in 6 years.

 

[Frozen700]

dude why dont you pull your head out your arse........and while your at it why dont you tell us about your failed high school football career that somehow made you feel superior in message board discussions on the subject of me giving my opinions on a question that was asked of me and everyone else here......didnt know it took a professional athelete to give a personal opinion .....and by the way this is a FAN forum not a Pro forum..maybe you are in the wrong place cause you obviously cant tell the difference..........

and to satisfy your idiocracy.....I dont play Madden , i did play football for 5 years and I do on occasion watch sports center like im sure most here do along with NFLN, Fox sports, and whatever other sports outlet i can find about ALL football teams not just the Cowboys......and in my current conditioning i probably could not cover a 12 year old.......now lets hear more about you..........and i said he is OVER rated not underrated ...moron

i wasn't trying to poke fun at your conditioning just the fact that you probably couldn't even read simple movement of a 12 yr old good enough to cover him, because you don't understand the sport, speed, jumping and quickness wont make you a great Corner, it can help, but if you don't understand the position,or have that type of awareness its over for you....that's why i felt Henry was a good corner, he had the instics knew how to read a WR real good, but his physical toolswerent there for him, IFhe had newmans physical tools(speed, agility, ect) he would be the best Corner hands down in the league

hes a guy who understands the position, even with his lack of speed, and fluid hips, he still made plays, and was able to read things, that a guy with all the agility and speed and the world couldnt read....thats also why i feel like Jenkins and Scandrick are on the right track....they have the tools...and already displayed and showed flashes of there great awarness

 

[Frozen700]

I was a receiver, but I always wanted to play corner. I did play corner in flag ball which is much different, but no one ever scored on me in 6 years.

how many people have caught a ball on you? or got behind you but haven't scored?

scoring again means nothing, i rather Newman give up, 5 catches for 30 yards, and a TD vs 9 catches for 102 yards and 0 td's.....that guy may not score, but he probably set somebody else up 2 score

 

[Frozen700]

You lost me there.

his argument is...Newman gets no ints....and has had his bad games..so i was saying..neither makes him horrible, unless him getting toasted was a daily routine.....like Derek Ross or Revees

 

[dadymat]

yea i meant over.....

im just saying...you think him not getting ints, makes or break him..is dumb...you dont understand the sport..everyone gets burnt...or caught on...even the Great Sanders..and ints dont make you a good corner

that is not what think....i happen to think he is a very good CB (which i have said repeatedly in this thread) and i do understand that Ints dont make the player , and i know everyone gets burnt......but i just dont view him as top 4 or 5....ive got him at 8...but with his last 2 seasons being injury prone i dont have faith in him to get it done for an entire season

my list
1)Champ
http://www.yardbarker.com/content/player/11802) Namdi Asomuga (sp?)
3)Asante Samuel
4)Antonio Cromartie
5)Nate Clements
6)Rashean Mathis
7)Woodson
8)T-New

 

[Frozen700]

that is not what think....i happen to think he is a very good CB (which i have said repeatedly in this thread) and i do understand that Ints dont make the player , and i know everyone gets burnt......but i just dont view him as top 4 or 5....ive got him at 8...but with his last 2 seasons being injury prone i dont have faith in him to get it done for an entire season

my list
1)Champ
2) Namdi Asomuga (sp?)
3)Asante Samuel
4)Antonio Cromartie
5)Nate Clements
6)Rashean Mathis
7)Woodson
8)T-New

Antonio...why? because of ints? that 1 magic year, i saw him get did in a few times last year, but tell me why you chose him??...Clements? lol he has gotten burnt bro, don't let the contract fool you...but why him?

Mathis hmm....hes good i actually like him

Champ n Namdi, i agree with, i would be tempted to put him number 1(namdi).....and i think Chris Mcalister and Revis, Gamble should be up there..dont let the knee injury of chris fool you...but he probably has lost a step due to that

Asante....eh..i do like his instics tho, so i wont argue there..he makes a play on the ball better then Newman, but i dont believe he covers better

Not a bad list, but newman...should be atleast number 4 or 3....Cromartie and Nate shouldnt be above him at all...and i would still take newman over asante

 

[dadymat]

injury is the only reason CM didnt make my list......and I think Cromartie's ball hawking instincts and ability to out jump WRs gives him tremendous upside..i really like him as a player.....and when he does get the ball he can do something with it......and im not fooled by the Clements contract..i dont think he was worth that ..but he is a really good cover guy who can manhandle WRs and also makes plays on the ball and is a very good tackler......

 

[Frozen700]

injury is the only reason CM didnt make my list......and I think Cromartie's ball hawking instincts and ability to out jump WRs gives him tremendous upside..i really like him as a player.....and when he does get the ball he can do something with it......and im not fooled by the Clements contract..i dont think he was worth that ..but he is a really good cover guy who can manhandle WRs and also makes plays on the ball and is a very good tackler......

i cant argue with that...i like Cromartie as well.....ill give him another yr or 2 though

i hope Mike Jenkins and Scandrick stand out big this year! i do think its a bit of an upgrade over henry..the only question mark is safety

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

With Newman going on 31 and having missed games the last two years odds are that he will not play a 16 game season. With that said how many have faith that Jenkins/Scandrick/Ball can hold the secondary together for say 4 games. I say 4 because that's what I think Newman will miss. Not trying to sound like a sour puss because i think Newman is a heck of a player but the team needs to be prepared just in case.

Options:

1) sign a vet and draft a couple of CB's.

2) just draft a couple of CB's and them as the 4th/5th CB's.

We definitely need backup help at corner. Scany and Jenkins are good and we should keep them, but we need another we kin groom.

btw: Newman is underrated.

 

[dadymat]

i cant argue with that...i like Cromartie as well.....ill give him another yr or 2 though

i hope Mike Jenkins and Scandrick stand out big this year! i do think its a bit of an upgrade over henry..the only question mark is safety

I think Scandrick will be a sold 3 and Jenkins will be real good, maybe a 1

 

[AdamJT13]

He's had at least 4 in 4 of his 6 seasons, so he does get them

It's true. Newman gets a fair number of interceptions. The only thing he hasn't done is have a season with a bunch of them.

In 87 games, he has 20 interceptions. That's an average of 3.68 per 16-game season. And like you said, he's had at least four interceptions in two-thirds of his seasons.

Champ Bailey averages a whole 4.59 per 16 games. But one big season boosted his average. Just like Newman, he's at at least four interceptions in four seasons, but he's played 10 seasons.

Antonio Cromartie averages 4.09 interceptions but has had more than two in only one of his three seasons.

Deion Sanders averaged 4.51. He had at least four interceptions only six times in 14 seasons.

You could go on an on with the top cornerbacks during recent seasons. Shawn Springs has had four interceptions only four times in 12 seasons. Asante Samuel has done it only three times in six years, Lito Sheppard twice in seven years, Chris McAlister three times in 10 years, Ronde Barber three times in 12 years, Marcus Trufant twice in six years and Al Harris once in 11 years.

As you can tell, getting four interceptions in four out of six seasons is pretty good.

 

[dadymat]

It's true. Newman gets a fair number of interceptions. The only thing he hasn't done is have a season with a bunch of them.

In 87 games, he has 20 interceptions. That's an average of 3.68 per 16-game season. And like you said, he's had at least four interceptions in two-thirds of his seasons.

Champ Bailey averages a whole 4.59 per 16 games. But one big season boosted his average. Just like Newman, he's at at least four interceptions in four seasons, but he's played 10 seasons.

Antonio Cromartie averages 4.09 interceptions but has had more than two in only one of his three seasons.

Deion Sanders averaged 4.51. He had at least four interceptions only six times in 14 seasons.

You could go on an on with the top cornerbacks during recent seasons. Shawn Springs has had four interceptions only four times in 12 seasons. Asante Samuel has done it only three times in six years, Lito Sheppard twice in seven years, Chris McAlister three times in 10 years, Ronde Barber three times in 12 years, Marcus Trufant twice in six years and Al Harris once in 11 years.

As you can tell, getting four interceptions in four out of six seasons is pretty good.

that might be little misguided...these 3 guys terrify QBs so they made a conscious effort to not throw there way because they proved they would take yo s..........i dont feel QBs are scared to throw at T-New

 

[burmafrd]

poor dady keeps getting owned but he does not realize it.

 

[NeonNinja]

I don't think he is going to realize it either, but it's a good laugh.

 

[Bleu Star]

I think Newman and Scandrick will be rock solid for us this year.

Jenkins? My jury is still out on him. Perhaps he'll learn the importance of making the tackle regardless of what game situation he's in...

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The real question is are we going to be ok at the Safety position?

 

[dadymat]

poor dady keeps getting owned but he does not realize it.

I don't think he is going to realize it either, but it's a good laugh.

you might want to pull your head out ..youll suffocate in there

 

[AdamJT13]

that might be little misguided...these 3 guys terrify QBs so they made a conscious effort to not throw there way because they proved they would take yo s..........i dont feel QBs are scared to throw at T-New

I have no idea what "take yo" means.

Newman is usually one of the least-targeted cornerbacks in the NFL. And Bailey and Cromartie actually get targeted a lot.

Deion, though, was on a different level.

 

[dbair1967]

that might be little misguided...these 3 guys terrify QBs so they made a conscious effort to not throw there way because they proved they would take yo s..........i dont feel QBs are scared to throw at T-New

Antonio Cromartie got thrown at alot last yr, and was statistically one of the worst (if not THE worst) starting CB in football.

Bailey gets thrown at quite a bit too.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I have no idea what "take yo" means.

Newman is usually one of the least-targeted cornerbacks in the NFL. And Bailey and Cromartie actually get targeted a lot.

Deion, though, was on a different level.

Why throw at Newman when you can go at guys like Reeves and a perpetually banged up Henry.

Less of a sentiment to Newman's skills, and more a reflection of how poor our secondary has been for the past 4 years. Even when we went 13-3, we still were having problems in coverage. Hopefully Sensadyne and a SS to be drafted on the first day later will help that.