Newman may not be back

Brother Ali;3834642 said:
There's a cap. This isn't hard to grasp. That cap figure is what every team builds their team around.

No, it's really not. There are a lot of teams that have considerable room under the cap. Either they're cheap, or they just don't give out as many huge contracts.

If RW is gone, that's $5 million of real money that Jerry isn't paying. It's not as important to you, because it's not your money. With Jerry trying to pay off that stadium in a lousy economy, believe me, he'll want to save money wherever he can. And $3 million extra against the cap isn't chump change, but again, that's another $3 million that Jerry won't feel compelled to pay, which means he might actually avoid paying out yet another regrettable contract.

Sure, you need to be able to spend money to have a quality team, but just having a ton to spend doesn't guarantee anything. Dallas has, year in year out, been one of the highest payroll teams, and where has it gotten them? A team shouldn't be irrespnsible, and have a ton of dead money, but sucking up $3 million against a cap, as opposed to saving $5 million real dollars, and getting rid of a player that just doesn't seem to want to buy in to what the team is doing, is an accepted loss.

Again, it's fans that always want their teams' owners to spend every last penny they can, whether or not it actually makes sense - or makes the team better.
 
Brother Ali;3834316 said:
Would it be crazy to suggest that even if we do get Aso, we still draft Peterson? I'd wheel n deal Jenkins if that were the case.

How about this? Put Peterson at FS, Aso on the #2 WR and have Jenkins and Newman covering the #1...at the same time. Haha.
 
GloryDaysRBack;3834231 said:
Albert Breer is reporting that Newman is no sure bet to return. Www.rotoworld.com is where I saw it. Nnamdi? Champ? Peterson? Prince? Harris? Lots of options available

That would be out of the norm. A player retiring while he is still average.

If he retires, Newman is smarter than we think, though with less money.
 
Kangaroo;3834345 said:
Letting Flo go did not hurt the oline Flo was pretty darn below average for Pitt and they did not miss him much when he missed the Baltimore game


I guess not watching the games means you can just make stuff up about what you think would have happened? Hmmmm, who knew?
 
realtick;3834543 said:
There is not another #3 receiver in the league that is even approaching that salary.

That is true, BUT, when the #2 receiver is making peanuts, and the depth behind #3 is not exactly great, it wouldn't be a wise move at this point. If you don't look at the names next to the salaries, you'll see the Cowboys have 1 highly paid receiver, 1 medium range paid receiver, and several low paid receivers. That's, pretty much, the norm for every other team in the league with the real difference being that the top 2 highly paid receivers are usually the top 2 starters.

Looking at it from a strickly football point of view, we have Miles and Dez at the top. Dez is a rook coming out of an injury. He's a superstar in the making, but he hasn't played an entire season yet. Even if he's healthy as a horse, nobody can predict when, where, or to whom the next injury is going to happen, so if either one of the top 2 goes down, it's nice to know you have a Roy Williams to fill the gap. This past season, because of injuries, down the stretch we were down to: Miles, RW, Jesse Holley, Manuel Johnson and Teddy Williams at the receiver position. It didn't matter because they Cowboys had nothing to play for, but if they did, they'd be in huge trouble with that group heading into the playoffs.

In terms of " real cash ", 5 millions is the avg salary for a solid veteran in the NFL, so it's not as if he's making an absurd figure.

Having said all of that, there's no question that this should be the last season for RW in Dallas. After this season, his contract become cost prohibited and him taking a paycut on top of being a 3rd receiver doesn't really make too much sense for either side.
 
Fletch;3834695 said:
Ain't gonna hurt my feelings if Newman is gone. If we cannot land Nnamdi, then go young! Go big! Prince or Peterson.

Sure, because we know that Prince or Peterson is going to instantly take to playing in the NFL and not need any kind of transition time ... just like Jenkins did.

Oh, wait a minute ...
 
utrunner07;3834853 said:
I guess not watching the games means you can just make stuff up about what you think would have happened? Hmmmm, who knew?

You think FLO would have had a better year than Free did if he would have been kept ?
 
realtick;3834690 said:
Replacing Roy shouldn't be hard at all. Remember, the numbers Roy put up(as little as it was) came mainly as a #2 receiver. Patrick Crayton outproduced Roy even as a #3.

If you replace Roy with a comparable receiver they're going to want to get paid. They'll be free agents like Vincent Jackson, Sidney Rice, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Hoilmes, Santana Moss, Steve Smith (NYG) and Randy Moss just to name a few.

All these receivers are going to demand a sizable contract in free agency and there's no guarantees they'll fit in any better than Roy or be affective in the slot.

Can't imagine Jerry shelling out a lot of money for a #3 receiver when he has Roy who's been with the team for over 2 seasons and showed improvement last season.

Most of the comparable receivers to Roy that will be available are #2 receivers so with Dez and Austin securing the #1 and #2 receiver position I don't see any of those receivers wanting to sign as a #3 with the Cowboys.

Those receivers can start for a lot of teams so the Cowboys would have to look farther down the list of free agent WR's who aren't as good as Roy.

Crayton excelled as a slot receiver but not so as a #2 that's why Jerry made the trade for Roy 3 years ago.

You have to remember that Roy played with Kitna most of the season and McGee in the season finale.

During the first 5 games of the season with Romo Roy had 21 receptions with 5 TD's. The next 9 games he played without Romo he only had 16 catches with no TD's.

Roy and Romo were finally starting to build some chemistry this past season so I think he has a good chance of being back.
 
MarionBarberThe4th;3834898 said:
Lets wait and see if we can get Patrick Peterson first.

Then we can go after Michael Huff

what are you willing to give up to get Peterson? Assuming we have to move up to get him..also assuming there isn't a new cba...meaning you cannot trade players..only picks..
 
GloryDaysRBack;3834902 said:
what are you willing to give up to get Peterson? Assuming we have to move up to get him..also assuming there isn't a new cba...meaning you cannot trade players..only picks..

If it came down to it I wouldnt say no to giving up our 2nd(And getting back like a 5th) b/c I think hes basically Dez Bryant on defense(copyrighted) and after he starts killing it we would completely forget that we even gave up a pick for him

But I dont think it would have to come to that or what the trade value chart says. If AJ Green is gone before 6 then the Browns should be looking at Julio Jones in a trade down and they would give us a fair deal. (And if there is a CBA I would try and see if Cleveland wants Martelleus)
 
MarionBarberThe4th;3834913 said:
If it came down to it I wouldnt say no to giving up our 2nd(And getting back like a 5th) b/c I think hes basically Dez Bryant on defense(copyrighted) and after he starts killing it we would completely forget that we even gave up a pick for him

But I dont think it would have to come to that or what the trade value chart says. If AJ Green is gone before 6 then the Browns should be looking at Julio Jones in a trade down and they would give us a fair deal. (And if there is a CBA I would try and see if Cleveland wants Martelleus)

you are cool with not drafting a linemen unil the 3rd round at best? possibly going into next season with the same starting 5?
 
GloryDaysRBack;3834920 said:
you are cool with not drafting a linemen unil the 3rd round at best? possibly going into next season with the same starting 5?


If the CBA gets done then we have a shot at Tyson Clabo at RT. And if the CBA doesnt get done then theres no season anyway.

If we got Clabo and Huff in FA and Peterson and a starting C/G in rounds 2 or 3 then I think we upgraded greatly at our weakest positions.
 
i want newman for one more year.

sometimes us fans can be a bit too harsh.
 
I havent read through the thread but I think Newman can still offer at the very leas,t an above average corner, and up to a great corner. We know in the least, what we can expect from Newman. Hes proven it. Jenkins is obviously a radical case and scandrick is just as shakey.

Lets not do what we have done in the past. Get rid of problem, or potential problem guys, and replace them with unproven way below avg guys.
 
If he goes that means we're probably going for Nanadbasdf asdf Assammaugh or Patrick Peterson. Which is great, either one improves the positio.
 
Not saying I want him but Cromartie is also available. Played for Rex Ryan.
 
ThreeSportStar80;3834931 said:
If Newman is indeed done in Dallas, I wish him nothing but the best. He was a true class act.

I wholeheartedly agree. As well a very good draft pick for us.
 
Randy White;3834878 said:
That is true, BUT, when the #2 receiver is making peanuts, and the depth behind #3 is not exactly great, it wouldn't be a wise move at this point. If you don't look at the names next to the salaries, you'll see the Cowboys have 1 highly paid receiver, 1 medium range paid receiver, and several low paid receivers. That's, pretty much, the norm for every other team in the league with the real difference being that the top 2 highly paid receivers are usually the top 2 starters.

First, the #2 receiver isn't "making peanuts." Dez is getting paid as follows: Five-year, $11.8 million contract. The deal contains $8.63 million guaranteed, including a $1.95 million signing bonus and a $570,000 first-year roster bonus. Another $3.185 million is available through a "likely to be earned" onetime incentive clause. In actuality, Dez is getting paid roughly what an average #3 WR (and some teams #2) around the league is getting paid.

Second, your claim that Dallas has "1 medium range paid receiver" is a gross exageration. Austin is getting paid: Seven-year, $57.168 million contract ($18 million guaranteed).

If you meant Roy's contract as the "medium range paid receiver," it's just as a ridiculous statement: Six-year, $54 million ($26.6085 million guaranteed).

You would be hard-pressed to find another pair of receivers on the same team that are getting paid in similiar fashion. Care to dispute? Please show the numbers and names.

So it can be glibly claimed that the aggregate sum of the Cowboys receiver salaries are not that much different than most other teams, but it simply isn't true.

The Cowboys went heavy (salary-wise) at receiver, but they had to go cheap at other positions...see safety.

Looking at it from a strickly football point of view, we have Miles and Dez at the top. Dez is a rook coming out of an injury. He's a superstar in the making, but he hasn't played an entire season yet. Even if he's healthy as a horse, nobody can predict when, where, or to whom the next injury is going to happen, so if either one of the top 2 goes down, it's nice to know you have a Roy Williams to fill the gap. This past season, because of injuries, down the stretch we were down to: Miles, RW, Jesse Holley, Manuel Johnson and Teddy Williams at the receiver position. It didn't matter because they Cowboys had nothing to play for, but if they did, they'd be in huge trouble with that group heading into the playoffs.

I love the fearful "what if" angle. Why don't we play the "what if" game at every position? Why don't we somehow finagle a trade for Matt Ryan to be the back up to Romo's backup, Jon Kitna? After all, nobody knows or can predict when, where, or to whom the next injury is going to happen.

Patrick Crayton at $2 million (2010 salary) was a viable insurance policy as your #3 or #4 WR. Roy Williams at $9.35 million isn't.

In terms of " real cash ", 5 millions is the avg salary for a solid veteran in the NFL, so it's not as if he's making an absurd figure.

Absolute nonsensical vaguery.

Even if I was to consider your statement as halfway valid it fails even a preliminary barstool test. What do you consider Patrick Crayton? A solid NFL veteran? What's he getting paid? Compare that to Roy Williams.

The Cowboys (or any other NFL team) aren't scouring the FA/trade phone lines itching to spend $5 million for a "solid veteran."

Here's how it works; veteran players get paid according to their anticipated role, expected production and relevant position. When their salary grossly contrasts those factors (whether for the bad or good), that player becomes either overpaid or underpaid.

If Roy Williams was producing as an elite receiver in a #1 WR role, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Because we all know he hasn't, his contract becomes an issue. NFL owners aren't saying "ah well, we're making it up elsewhere so it all balances out."
 

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