Newman may not be back

[Randy White]

You would instantly save $5.1 million dollars if you cut Roy Williams. That's significant.

But if there's a cap, it would cost the COwboys how much ?

 

[Brother Ali]

You would instantly save $5.1 million dollars if you cut Roy Williams. That's significant.

That's real money savings for Jerry. It would actually cost more to cut him than to keep him....cap wise. It's just not going to happen

 

[casmith07]

I'll kiss your *** and give you a week to draw a crowd if they are going to cut Newman.

That's much better than my claim lmao!

 

[KJJ]

You would instantly save $5.1 million dollars if you cut Roy Williams. That's significant.

Cutting him isn't worth it if they're unable to replace him with a player of at least equal talent or they'll weaken their receiving corp.

The goal this offseason is to try and get better and one of the strengths of the team is their receivers.

Roy hasn't lived up to expectations but he's still a pretty good receiver who made some plays this past season.

With Dez having injury issues and Austin coming back to earth some the Cowboys need to make sure if they release Roy they can replace him with a solid receiver who can be productive.

 

[realtick]

That's real money savings for Jerry. It would actually cost more to cut him than to keep him....cap wise. It's just not going to happen

No, it would not cost more; all it does is accelerate the gaurantee money Williams is due.

If the Cowboys keep Roy, it will count roughly $9.35 million (a portion of the gauranteed money + $5.1 base salary)will count against the cap. If they cut him it will cost apx. $12.5 million (the entirety of the remaining owed/gauranteed money...no base salary)against the cap.

One way or the other the Cowboys are going to pay Roy his gauranteed money; keeping him only spreads out the money, while releasing him accelerates those payments.

Here's the main difference: if you keep him this year, you're paying him an extra $5.1 million in base salary that you don't have to.

There is not another #3 receiver in the league that is even approaching that salary.

 

[realtick]

Cutting him isn't worth it if they're unable to replace him with a player of at least equal talent or they'll weaken their receiving corp.

The goal this offseason is to try and get better and one of the strengths of the team is their receivers.

Roy hasn't lived up to expectations but he's still a pretty good receiver who made some plays this past season.

With Dez having injury issues and Austin coming back to earth some the Cowboys need to make sure if they release Roy they can replace him with a solid receiver who can be productive.

Really?

Please name another #3 receiver in the league that is scheduled to make $9.3 million in 2011.

I'm all for keeping Roy, but only for a lowered price.

 

[Brother Ali]

No, it would not cost more; all it does is accelerate the gaurantee money Williams is due.

If the Cowboys keep Roy, it will count roughly $9.35 million (a portion of the gauranteed money + $5.1 base salary)will count against the cap. If they cut him it will cost apx. $12.5 million (the entirety of the remaining owed/gauranteed money...no base salary)against the cap.

One way or the other the Cowboys are going to pay Roy his gauranteed money; keeping him only spreads out the money, while releasing him accelerates those payments.

Here's the main difference: if you keep him this year, you're paying him an extra $5.1 million in base salary that you don't have to.

There is not another #3 receiver in the league that is even approaching that salary.

Are you serious right now? You just proved my point in your argument. It ruins the cap by releasing him. The cap is what is important. Not jerry's own saving in his wallet.

 

[realtick]

Are you serious right now? You just proved my point in your argument. It ruins the cap by releasing him. The cap is what is important. Not jerry's own saving in his wallet.

Yeah, I'm serious. Question, what is the difference between $12 million and $9 million? Do you really think roughly $3 million is going to handcuff this team? You're also assuming there will be no other cap casualties to absorb that $3 million. You're also assuming Jerry is willing to pay Roy another $5.1 to save some space on cap. As a fan you may care less about Jerry's money, but rest assured he's worried about it.

Also, if there is a cap it will likely be increased. The word also is that the owners want changes to make the payment of gauranteed monies friendlier. So you can look at that two ways: 1) Yeaaaah, we get to keep Roy....or 2) It makes it easier to rid yourself of Roy.

 

[burmafrd]

I really doubt Jerruh gives a hoot about a few million if he thinks he keeps a better player than he can get. Roy is going to be better in all likliehood then anything we can draft in rds 3 and lower which is the highest we are liable to get one. This is a very weak WR draft.

All Jerruh cares about as regards money is the CAP and nothing else.

 

[newlander]

Why is it crazy? Newman is flatout terrible at times.

.....he's been UNDER par for 3 years and just isn't worth keeping around at all. See ya Tnew.

 

[Brother Ali]

Yeah, I'm serious. Question, what is the difference between $12 million and $9 million? Do you really think roughly $3 million is going to handcuff this team? You're also assuming there will be no other cap casualties to absorb that $3 million. You're also assuming Jerry is willing to pay Roy another $5.1 to save some space on cap. You might care less about Jerry's money, but rest assured he's worried about it.

3 million is a big difference. Now youre 12 million against the cap and no Roy Williams.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

The ONLY way I'm cool with this is if we make a play for Aso, then possibly target Jimmy Smith in the 2nd or a corner in the mid-late rounds.

NO trade up for PP in the 1st. Some of you expecting Peterson to come in and play at Newmans level or better are in for a rude awakening. The position will just regress. I'd rather have Scandrick. Newman is our best corner by a mile, at least this year.

 

[KJJ]

Really?

Please name another #3 receiver in the league that is scheduled to make $9.3 million in 2011.

I'm all for keeping Roy, but only for a lowered price.

No one is saying Roy isn't being overpaid but if you're going to release him you have to replace him with a receiver of at least equal talent or you weaken your receiving corp.

Would you rather the Cowboys release Roy and simply move Hurd up to #3 or have them cross their fingers and hand the job over to Ogletree hoping a light will come on with him so they can save money?

Is that going to make the Cowboys a better team next season?

The Cowboys have enough holes as it is why create one at a position of strength?

 

[realtick]

3 million is a big difference. Now youre 12 million against the cap and no Roy Williams.

Lol, I see, we're talking about a bizzaro world where paying more money on a bad investment is good business. Paying an additional $5.1 million of money you don't owe someone is a lot of money. $3 million against the cap is a figure. Not to mention there are ways to massage the cap by restructuring large contracts (ie. Romo, Ware, etc.).

Bottomline, you're saying "hey Roy, you're worth every bit of $9.35 million to be our #3 WR (really 4th I you're counting Witten)."

If Roy was producing or even expected to be in a #1 role we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

 

[Brother Ali]

Lol, I see, we're talking about a bizzaro world where paying more money on a bad investment is good business. Paying an additional $5.1 million of money you don't owe someone is a lot of money. $3 million against the cap is a figure. Not to mention there are ways to massage the cap by restructuring large contracts (ie. Romo, Ware, etc.).

Bottomline, you're saying "hey Roy, you're worth every bit of $9.35 million to be our #3 WR (really 4th I you're counting Witten)."

If Roy was producing or even expected to be in a #1 role we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

There's a cap. This isn't hard to grasp. That cap figure is what every team builds their team around.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm not okay with this move at all. Even if we make a move for Asomugha. I want Newman and Asomugha starting us next season over any other corner on this team. Jenkins should be demoted to nickel corner IF THAT because Scandrick may be a better nickel corner than Jenkins is.

 

[realtick]

No one is saying Roy isn't being overpaid but if you're going to release him you have to replace him with a receiver of at least equal talent or you weaken your receiving corp.

Would you rather the Cowboys release Roy and simply move Hurd up to #3 or have them cross their fingers and hand the job over to Ogletree hoping a light will come on with him so they can save money?

Is that going to make the Cowboys a better team next season?

The Cowboys have enough holes as it is why create one at a position of strength?

Replacing Roy shouldn't be hard at all. Remember, the numbers Roy put up(as little as it was) came mainly as a #2 receiver. Patrick Crayton outproduced Roy even as a #3.

 

[Fletch]

Albert Breer is reporting that Newman is no sure bet to return. Www.rotoworld.com is where I saw it. Nnamdi? Champ? Peterson? Prince? Harris? Lots of options available

Ain't gonna hurt my feelings if Newman is gone. If we cannot land Nnamdi, then go young! Go big! Prince or Peterson.

 

[realtick]

There's a cap. This isn't hard to grasp. That cap figure is what every team builds their team around.

Glad you comprehend that because it's going to change.

 

[Fletch]

I'm not okay with this move at all. Even if we make a move for Asomugha. I want Newman and Asomugha starting us next season over any other corner on this team. Jenkins should be demoted to nickel corner IF THAT because Scandrick may be a better nickel corner than Jenkins is.

Sorry, but count me in as one of the minority who feels Jenkins will bounce back from a horrible year. The guy has too much confidence and talent. Mike Jenkins will be back, and he'll be a force in Rob Ryan's defense.