News: Cousins & Commanders not talking with extension deadline looming

[Stash]

This absolutely looks like a franchise tag situation to me. If Washington still has some questions, a short term deal makes sense.

But there's just no way that they can allow him to hit the open market, given the lack of franchise quarterbacks in the league. When teams are throwing $100 million at the Daltons, Kaepernick's, and Tannehills of the world, you know they're in short supply.

And would they really want to lose Cousins after the season he had, in addition to watching Griffin walk out the door for nothing as part of the worst trade in NFL history? That's insult to injury that no team needs.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

He's a humble, hard-working guy from what everyone says. Don't know why the deal is taking this long.

I hear his agent isn't as nice.

It's really not that big a deal. If we franchise him and he has another good season. Fine. That means he really is the player we think he is, and he's deserving a big a contract.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

This absolutely looks like a franchise tag situation to me. If Washington still has some questions, a short term deal makes sense.

But there's just no way that they can allow him to hit the open market, given the lack of franchise quarterbacks in the league. When teams are throwing $100 million at the Daltons, Kaepernick's, and Tannehills of the world, you know they're in short supply.

And would they really want to lose Cousins after the season he had, in addition to watching Griffin walk out the door for nothing as part of the worst trade in NFL history? That's insult to injury that no team needs.

Exaggerate much?

It would be close to the worst trade in history if the Rams actually did something with the picks. So far we've been more successful with 2 playoff appearances to their 0. The Ricky Williams trade for the Saints entire draft and Herschel Walker trades were much worse for the Saints and Vikings.

 

[Stash]

Exaggerate much?

It would be close to the worst trade in history if the Rams actually did something with the picks. So far we've been more successful with 2 playoff appearances to their 0. The Ricky Williams trade for the Saints entire draft and Herschel Walker trades were much worse for the Saints and Vikings.

I'm not exaggerating one bit, but keep telling yourself that. Sorry if the truth hurts, but I'm not the team that gave up three 1sts and a 2nd rounder for the guy.

And now he'll soon be cut and Washington will have absolutely nothing to show for it.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

I'm not exaggerating one bit, but keep telling yourself that. Sorry if the truth hurts, but I'm not the team that gave up three 1sts and a 2nd rounder for the guy.

And now he'll soon be cut and Washington will have absolutely nothing to show for it.

They had a playoff appearance to show for it. Not "nothing", See how exaggeration works. What do the Rams have to show for the trade?

And I love how you completely ignore two very obvious worse trades that I mentioned.

 

[Stryker44]

I hear his agent isn't as nice.

It's really not that big a deal. If we franchise him and he has another good season. Fine. That means he really is the player we think he is, and he's deserving a big a contract.

The thing is - if the goal is the Lombardi - he has to understand we have 52 other spots where we need top notch players and backups.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

The thing is - if the goal is the Lombardi - he has to understand we have 52 other spots where we need top notch players and backups.

This will work fine when the GM is drafting good players who can contribute and make plays on rookie wages. The reason why the Ravens deal with Flacco hasn't worked out is because they're playing him like an elite player, and he isn't. If Kirk is worth the money, then you pay him. We don't need big name free agents taking up our cap space. We take care of our own, and we continue to build through the draft.

Jordan Reed is another one. He is poised to have a huge payday next offseason. But if he has another season like 2015, where he is that big a difference maker and stays healthy. I have no problem giving him that money.

 

[Stryker44]

This will work fine when the GM is drafting good players who can contribute and make plays on rookie wages. The reason why the Ravens deal with Flacco hasn't worked out is because they're playing him like an elite player, and he isn't. If Kirk is worth the money, then you pay him. We don't need big name free agents taking up our cap space. We take care of our own, and we continue to build through the draft.

Jordan Reed is another one. He is poised to have a huge payday next offseason. But if he has another season like 2015, where he is that big a difference maker and stays healthy. I have no problem giving him that money.

But if Cousins truly wants the Lombardi, he should not be selfish and should be loyal by not asking for such a disproportionate amount of our cap

 

[Stash]

They had a playoff appearance to show for it. Not "nothing", See how exaggeration works. What do the Rams have to show for the trade?

Playoff appearance! Oh yay! That's great, and I'm sure in Washington they're a glorious achievement. But the fact is that elsewhere, they're essentially a bronze medal. But hey, maybe they want to trade away 3 more 1st round picks for that awesome "playoff appearance"! I'm glad ours last year didn't cost us that much.

And it doesn't matter what the Rams did with those picks, that's their issues, and a different story. It has no bearing on how badly the Commanders screwed up.

And I love how you completely ignore two very obvious worse trades that I mentioned.

There were ignored because they weren't "obviously worse". Even the biggest busts of all time like Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf only cost their boneheaded organizations one 1st rounder! And following all of that up with a 'deactivation year' on top of it? Yeah, a new bar for failure has been set, congratulations!

 

[Stash]

But if Cousins truly wants the Lombardi, he should not be selfish and should be loyal by not asking for such a disproportionate amount of our cap

I think he knows that this could be his only shot to maximize his earning potential, and he's trying to make the most of it. Nobody knows better than him how precarious his position can be.

 

[Stryker44]

I think he knows that this could be his only shot to maximize his earning potential, and he's trying to make the most of it. Nobody knows better than him how precarious his position can be.

What about the values of loyalty, honor, and sacrifice before a paycheck? If the Lombardi is the ultimate goal for these guys - they should know the ramifications their enormous salaries have on the cap.

 

[Stash]

What about the values of loyalty, honor, and sacrifice before a paycheck? If the Lombardi is the ultimate goal for these guys - they should know the ramifications their enormous salaries have on the cap.

Good luck with playing the 'nobility' card, especially when nobody knows better than the players how quickly they'll be out the door if they don't perform. Look no further than Griffin - from penthouse to outhouse in two years' time, despite the fact that they gave up 3 1st rounders plus to get him!

We can't expect "loyalty, honor and sacrifice" from players when teams never honor their commitments either.

 

[irishline]

I'm not exaggerating one bit, but keep telling yourself that. Sorry if the truth hurts, but I'm not the team that gave up three 1sts and a 2nd rounder for the guy.

And now he'll soon be cut and Washington will have absolutely nothing to show for it.

The Vikings traded 3 firsts, 3 seconds, 3 thirds, and a 6th round pick along with 5 players for Hershel Walker, 2 thirds, and 2 late round picks. Dallas went on to three superbowls and the Vikings went from making the playoffs the three consecutive years before the trade to missing them the two years after. They then let Walker go to Philly with absolutely nothing to show for it after two lackluster years without him even breaking 1,000 yard rushing season.

We still got a first, second, and third round pick from the Vikings as part of that trade after Philly signed him away from Minnesota (1992). It was that bad for Minnesota.

But yeah, those three firsts and a second for RG3 and the results are much much worse.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade

Come on man the RG3 trade was bad, that I agree with. But really?

 

[Stash]

The Vikings traded 3 firsts, 3 seconds, 3 thirds, and a 6th round pick along with 5 players for Hershel Walker, 2 thirds, and 2 late round picks. Dallas went on to three superbowls and the Vikings went from making the playoffs the three consecutive years before the trade to missing them the two years after. They then let Walker go to Philly with absolutely nothing to show for it after two lackluster years without him even breaking 1,000 yard rushing season.

But yeah, those three firsts and a second for RG3 and the results are much much worse.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade

Come on man the RG3 trade was bad, that I agree with. But really?

I'm factoring the quality of the player received by the team that gave up so much in my assessment.

While both Minnesota and New Orleans obviously gave up a bundle, nobody can say the Walker or Ricky Williams weren't teriffic players.

I think it's a significant factor that things were so bad for Griffin in Washington that he was deactivated for an entire year! When has that ever been done before with a player? Much less one that a team gave up three #1 picks and a 2nd rounder for?

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

I'm factoring the quality of the player received by the team that gave up so much in my assessment.

While both Minnesota and New Orleans obviously gave up a bundle, nobody can say the Walker or Ricky Williams weren't teriffic players.

I think it's a significant factor that things were so bad for Griffin in Washington that he was deactivated for an entire year! When has that ever been done before with a player? Much less one that a team gave up three #1 picks and a 2nd rounder for?

So basically you're telling us that you're just interjecting your personal bias with the "worst trade ever" comment.

Anytime a trade is evaluated, it is always done by using the value of the player, what was done with the draft picks, and team success. Griffin had one of the best rookie QB seasons ever, and didn't do much else after that. Yet still that one season was better than any of the seasons Walker and Williams gave to the Vikings and Saints. Ricky Williams had the best season of his career the year after he left NO. The Walker trade turned the Cowboys into a three championship winning dynasty and turned Minnesota from a division winner to the division basement in one season. The Williams trade left the Saints devoid of talent, sealing Ditka's fate as a coach there, and the pressure was too much for Ricky to deal with. Furthermore, if you're talking about quality of player....Walker only had 2 1,000 seasons in his entire career. And Williams' career was derailed by his personal issues. There is no argument that justifies the Griffin trade as worse than either of those.

 

[Stash]

So basically you're telling us that you're just interjecting your personal bias with the "worst trade ever" comment.

I'm telling you how I reached my conclusion. It's funny that you'll Claim "personal bias" towards me while trying to deny the fact yourself. No bias there, right?

Anytime a trade is evaluated, it is always done by using the value of the player, what was done with the draft picks, and team success. Griffin had one of the best rookie QB seasons ever, and didn't do much else after that. Yet still that one season was better than any of the seasons Walker and Williams gave to the Vikings and Saints. Ricky Williams had the best season of his career the year after he left NO. The Walker trade turned the Cowboys into a three championship winning dynasty and turned Minnesota from a division winner to the division basement in one season. The Williams trade left the Saints devoid of talent, sealing Ditka's fate as a coach there, and the pressure was too much for Ricky to deal with.

The team giving up the draft picks has zero control over what the receiving team does with them. If they squander them or build a Super Bowl champion, it has little to do with the team that gave them up. Therefore it has no bearing on their own stupidity. On one hand you want to lessen how bad it looks for Washington, while blaming Ditka for the Saints being "devoid of talent". How do you think giving up three 1sts and a 2nd affected Washington?

Furthermore, if you're talking about quality of player....Walker only had 2 1,000 seasons in his entire career. And Williams' career was derailed by his personal issues. There is no argument that justifies the Griffin trade as worse than either of those.

What a load! Both players went on to play for more than a decade in the league. Williams went on to lead the league in rushing with over 1,800 yards and the fact is that even with Ditka's trade, he gave up one draft class, Washington gave up three 1st round picks! And both of the players are candidates for the Hall of Fame. And get back to me when either of the players was deactivated by their team for an entire year. There's no guarantee that Griffin will ever start another game at quarterback barring injury.

Focus on the positives, that you also drafted a player in Cousins who could turn out to be the quarterback you've needed. He had a teriffic year and took your team to the playoffs. If he can replicate 2015 or even build on it, your team can put this awful trade behind them.

 

[Longboysfan]

Just a friendly reminder.
Washington Commanders CAP today - when it's projected to be going to 155 million.

Total Cap Number: $152,825,149(Top 51: $147,740,662)

And they will be carrying 16 million plus in dead money on RGIII when they release him.
This is not to say the Commanders can't restructure a few and cut a few to get to the number they want to get to for the Cousins contract.
But the Commanders have to do that first before they get to his contract.

So this year if they do sign Cousins, and they still need a back up, their QB costs alone will be close to 30 million.

 

[Stryker44]

Just a friendly reminder.
Washington Commanders CAP today - when it's projected to be going to 155 million.

Total Cap Number: $152,825,149(Top 51: $147,740,662)

And they will be carrying 16 million plus in dead money on RGIII when they release him.
This is not to say the Commanders can't restructure a few and cut a few to get to the number they want to get to for the Cousins contract.
But the Commanders have to do that first before they get to his contract.

So this year if they do sign Cousins, and they still need a back up, their QB costs alone will be close to 30 million.

The last year for RGIII is not guaranteed, so no dead money. That's why he was deactivated...because if he'd been injured he would have gotten the 16 million.

 

[Califan007]

Just a friendly reminder.
Washington Commanders CAP today - when it's projected to be going to 155 million.

Total Cap Number: $152,825,149(Top 51: $147,740,662)

And they will be carrying 16 million plus in dead money on RGIII when they release him.

As stated above, no they won't.

As long as Griffin is released by March 7th (8th?), Commanders will have zero on the books in terms of Griffin. Or if they DO, it'll be a insignificant amount.

 

[Longboysfan]

I looked in over the CAP - that is where I got the number from.