News: Cowboys still bottoming out since Jimmy Johnson's exit; here's why

[Jarv]

So, you own Keeper of Respect and Honorable, both...sorry Charlie, worry about one's own ethics and merit then. You striving for a medal or a chest to pin it own?

More than a flaming current fan can carry respect for an organization and is able to distinguish between class or even great play on the field. What, you are super sized in being able to see and feel about football?

I find continual returns to the label that another fan just doesn't have the values for a fan's stance, disgusting...if you even wish to know.

Prove your case, instead of just attempting to insult your way to an 'elevated' view.

Sorry, guy, I have supported the Cowboys since 1960. Your view of the total ups and downs falls a tad short in actual journeys traveled and respect given, even if they weren't always at the levels of a folk hero status, that is claimed here.

One respects achievement, not use it to detract from current efforts or people looking for change in the now, without overshadowing views with grandeur instead of the current team in one's sight.

I have stood by Jerry Jones, Jason Garrett, and now Jason Witten, as well as went through the years of Tony Romo insults...I guess many here missed those opportunities as well. That's called fan loyalty...not being dumb, ignorant, or without valid sense. If that is too far below YOUR own dignity, then simply, bite your biased tongue.

...and then talk football with response to facts presented, not nearly all of which are just cherry picked. Someone makes a mistake in a discussion, point it out, but when it involves integrity and a base dignity, watch out. You then become fair game as well...

Lol...You loved my comment so much you quoted it and responded to it twice! Glad I got your attention.

Now listen to this, I was brought to respect my elders and I will do so here. I respect your fandom since 1960, considering I was born in 1961 I can appreciate that you've been a fan longer than I by at least 8 ot 9 years, which means in your book I've only been a fan for 47 years...lol. That being said, are you really ripping into myself and other posters for wanting more? I'm glad your happy with the current regime, I'm not and with all due respect just because you are older than I is not an excuse to call out anthers fandom.

I live in CT, surrounded by NY and NE fans which wasn't an easy time during the later 80's and 1998 on, now on a public forum you are calling me and others spoiled for wanting more? Yes, one respects achievement, which with Jerry's way of running the team has obviously not been working over the last 20 years is proven by the teams lack of results. I'm a huge fan of the players and the organization, which I can be without liking how the management runs things.

For example, If I were to obtain the ownership of the organization, would you blindly follow me and my decisions without criticisms because you have been a loyal fan since 1960 as long as I maintained a .500 record?

After Jimmy left, Jerry has broken the chain of command, the first real example of this I have is when Deion didn't want to work out for Wojo in the strength room and Jerry overrode his coach in favor of the player. That set a horrible precedent of inhibiting a coaches authority over players that affects us still do this day. In addition having an owner/GM being the same person means we have a part time owner and a part time GM, when all other organizations have two full time people embracing these very important roles. Jerry's ego IMHO has over ridden what is best for the team to what is best for Jerry. Since Jimmy left his ego has wanted to prove he was the brains behind our 90's run by "Doing it our way" after the 96 super bowl.

So, call me a "flaming current fan" because I don't stand by Jerry Jones, I stand by the Cowboys and I always have, before and hopefully after he's gone. To me, the Cowboys transcend Jerry who in the scheme of things, will someday just be a blip on the history of the Cowboys.

Good day to you sir.

 

[jnday]

His success rate built a team that won three Super Bowls. Enough said.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

His success rate built a team that won three Super Bowls. Enough said.

Math is hard. What do denominator mean?

And you want to tell people about avoiding inconvenient facts.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Please. Jimmy brought something new. It got old. You couldn't get the players he valued by trading back anymore.

It's a typical college guy deal. Comes in and is effective for a few years.

The best pro coaches are able to keep that up year after year

It got old? Then how did Sir Jones get his third Super Bowl ring?
As to being effective for a few years, he was. Then came of ineffectual coaches for the next 20 or so years. So that makes it Johnson 2 Super Bowls/Progression of Sad Sack Coaches 0.
As to the best pro coaches being able to keep that up, I would like to know how you know Jimmy Johnson would not have been effective in Dallas. Yes, he was not in Miami, but that is Miami. I am talking Dallas.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Oh, I get it: fans here hate it that Jimmy Johnson has 2 Super Bowl rings and could have had a third.
Fans here love the cumulative 8-8 seasons of the past 20 years.

 

[landroverking]

It's just time to give it a rest.
Jimmy and History tells us he quit on the team. His words not mine.
I was ready to move on. Or something to that effect.

 

[jjktkk]

I get frustrated with fans that forget Jimmy was forced to play with a quarterback who was an icon but years past his prime and cost Jimmy game after game.

I can't believe anybody thinks Jimmy wasn't the major reason this team won and Jerry is the biggest reason it has lost ever since he decided to try and play Jimmy Johnson. The guy has come out and stated that he runs everything from jocks to socks yet some will claim he's not at fault. I'm happy to say he seems to have finally reached out for help especially in the draft room and hope springs eternal.

Jimmy and Jerry were both at fault for Jimmy leaving. Two big egos butting heads. But let's not forget who also played a huge role in those championships was the former Vikings GM Mike Lynn. Without the Hershel Walker trade, there wouldn't have been the Cowboy's dynasty of the 90s.

 

[tyke1doe]

Jimmy already had it written down that he was leaving. His plans were all set for him to go. Why in the world would he try to get fired?

Because Jerry isn't going to let him walk away and go to another team. So Jimmy had to make the situation so unbearable that Jerry had to let him go. Jimmy played Jerry like a fiddle.

I may fault Jerry for a lot of things, but driving Jimmy out the door isn't one of them. As you say, Jimmy had his plan mapped out. He wanted to get out of Dallas and nothing was going to stop him.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Jimmy and Jerry were both at fault for Jimmy leaving. Two big egos butting heads. But let's not forget who also played a huge role in those championships was the former Vikings GM Mike Lynn. Without the Hershel Walker trade, there wouldn't have been the Cowboy's dynasty of the 90s.

So Jimmy Johnson makes a stupendous trade with the Vikings and you are ready to minimize ALL of Johnson's accomplishments in Dallas, outside of that trade? Amazing.

 

[jjktkk]

So Jimmy Johnson makes a stupendous trade with the Vikings and you are ready to minimize ALL of Johnson's accomplishments in Dallas, outside of that trade? Amazing.

So you're saying Jimmy did not need the Hershel walker trade, aka, "'Great Trade Robbery"', to build that Cowboy's dynasty team of the 90s? Jimmy over drafted Russell Maryland with the #1 pick overall in 91, but overall, he used that trade well to build a great team.

 

[tyke1doe]

Jimmy and Jerry were both at fault for Jimmy leaving. Two big egos butting heads. But let's not forget who also played a huge role in those championships was the former Vikings GM Mike Lynn. Without the Hershel Walker trade, there wouldn't have been the Cowboy's dynasty of the 90s.

And what many don't realize with the perspective of history, of course, is that the Walker trade was far from universally praised. I can remember reading a Dallas Morning News article - among several others - that called Jerry and Jimmy "over their heads" because they trade their best player to Minnesota.

Both were considered "country bumpkins" being played by the big bad NFL and its owners.

But the league got played big time, including the San Francisco 49ers who practically gave Haley away to the Cowboys. I think Seifert said if he had known the Cowboys were going to be that good, that fast, he would have never traded Haley to the Cowboys.

Both Jimmy AND Jerry contributed to the Cowboys dynasty. It took an owner like Jerry to go along with that trade, which was unheard of back in those days. Very few other owners would have made that trade, despite the boatload of draft picks the Vikings were giving up.

And Mike Lynn stupidly thought a depleted, untalented Dallas team would keep the Vikings players tied to the picks, thus sacrificing the picks.

 

[Plankton]

Jimmy and Jerry were both at fault for Jimmy leaving. Two big egos butting heads. But let's not forget who also played a huge role in those championships was the former Vikings GM Mike Lynn. Without the Hershel Walker trade, there wouldn't have been the Cowboy's dynasty of the 90s.

Correction: without turning the picks acquired in the Herschel Walker trade into players who contributed heavily in front line and support roles for a championship team, there wouldn't have been the Cowboy dynasty of the 1990s.

See the Los Angeles Rams results from the Eric Dickerson trade, referenced in this thread, as proof. They turned a potential kitty of the same size into 9 consecutive losing seasons.

 

[Plankton]

And Mike Lynn stupidly thought a depleted, untalented Dallas team would keep the Vikings players tied to the picks, thus sacrificing the picks.

The best part of this is that Johnson told Lynn immediately after the trade was finalized that he wasn't going to keep any of the players. Lynn was so taken aback and pissed off that he told Johnson that he could keep the players as well.

 

[jjktkk]

Correction: without turning the picks acquired in the Herschel Walker trade into players who contributed heavily in front line and support roles for a championship team, there wouldn't have been the Cowboy dynasty of the 1990s.

See the Los Angeles Rams results from the Eric Dickerson trade, referenced in this thread, as proof. They turned a potential kitty of the same size into 9 consecutive losing seasons.

Not really a correction, since Jimmy turned those picks into the great Cowboy's teams of the 90s, but I get what you mean.

 

[the_h0wey]

Cue the Gosselin is a hater message.

A "mediot" and a hack.

Pretry easy to know how this will develop.

The Goose is one of the Dallas media guys I really like and respect. His weekly segment with Norm on the Ticket is can't miss radio for me.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

So you're saying Jimmy did not need the Hershel walker trade, aka, "'Great Trade Robbery"', to build that Cowboy's dynasty team of the 90s? Jimmy over drafted Russell Maryland with the #1 pick overall in 91, but overall, he used that trade well to build a great team.

I am saying don't minimize Jimmy Johnson for making that superb trade. That Jimbo cannot win, even making that trade does not give him validation from some of you. Even two Super 'Bowl rings and a third if he had wanted it, do not give him enough validation here. On the other hand, give JG a winning season and he is the greatest thing since sliced mince pie.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Jimmy Johnson opened the championship window for the Cowboys in the 1990s. But the Green Bay Packers closed it.

The Packers did that by winning in April. And the same problem that haunted the Cowboys at the close of their 1990s dynasty continues to haunt them two decades later -- an inability to find players in the later rounds of the draft.

Let's go back to Johnson. He understood the value of first-, second- and third-round picks. Those are the premium rounds -- the rounds you build a contender. Those are the rounds you find a Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, Daryl Johnston, Darren Woodson, Mark Stepnoski and Erik Williams. All were Johnson draft picks who become starters and Pro Bowlers on Super Bowl championship teams.

full story here: http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...oys-still-bottoming-since-jimmy-johnsons-exit

Green Bay closed NOTHING on us. Laughable.

It's well documented.

 

[casmith07]

14 pages.

In 200 years there will be fans talking about Jimmy.

 

[9of11]

I dont know about you guys, but he could have left out "The NFC East Champion Washington Commanders" line from the article. Made me sick....

 

[jnday]

I am saying don't minimize Jimmy Johnson for making that superb trade. That Jimbo cannot win, even making that trade does not give him validation from some of you. Even two Super 'Bowl rings and a third if he had wanted it, do not give him enough validation here. On the other hand, give JG a winning season and he is the greatest thing since sliced mince pie.

The current Jerry/Jason fans are running down a coach that put together one of the greatest teams of all time, but that doesn't count. Jason had a 12-4 season. That is the important stuff. He even backed it up with a 4-12 season do that he could remain very average. I can understand these kids that don't know any better due to their age, but for fans that have been with this team for decades to spout this crap out is unbelievable . I can understand why Cowboy fans are hated by so many NFL fans. Those that walk around bragging about the team and it's success over the last 20 years must seem like idiots to fans of other teams. In reality, there has not been anything to boast about in a very long time. Jerry built a stadium ,so I guess there is that, but can't field a consistent winner . I remember the Landry days when Cowboy fans really had something to be proud of . I am sure that Landry will get bashed if he enters the conversation . Some fans have no respect for real winners.