News: Cowboys still bottoming out since Jimmy Johnson's exit; here's why

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Pick up a volume of the 50th Anniversay of the Cowboys, or a book of that period about the Cowboys, and forget the folklore that has followed. I haven't exagerated a single point.

Jimmy didn't last beyond his normal four years at any place...why? Because he burnt up his teams pushing them with insult. His respect was arbitrary and all aimed at total success with full commitment. He required a very strong and motivational staff under him, to maintain commitments and focus.

Trying for complete power, is what drove the wedge between he and Jerry. He disrespected Jerry, and sold the Cowboy team out his last year with Dallas. The week of the Super Bowl, he was attempting to acquire a GM/Head Coach job with Buffalo. Then before cameras, he belittled Jerry in the post game celebrations.

Jerry was civil since then, but he had dignity himself. And that part was earned.

Ignore that if one wishes, but that is still ignoring the complete truth as well.

Margins for profits were much smaller back then. Jerry fought for team cap advantages and contracts for the entire NFL, since then. But he carried the fights due to what he learned in bringing the franchise back to life...Period.

I've said this over and over: While I appreciate what Jimmy Johnson brought to the franchise, the single-minded determination to build a winner, he forced his way out of Dallas. People don't like the fact that Jerry wanted to get the credit, but all Jimmy had to do was indulge Jerry, but he didn't want to. However, it is Jerry's team. He bought it, and whether Jimmy or fans like it, he can meddle or take credit it he likes.
 

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Not true, the GM for all teams is involved in more than signing pay checks.

Now start providing actual news releases or published articles that clarify just what you state, and that rely upon more than Aunt Susie told Pa Paw.

IIRC, Jimmy had full control of the team when it came to all football moves. It was in his contract. Jerry was not the GM when Jimmy was there. He was just the man that signed checks when Jummy told him to . Jimmy mentioned the full control clause in his contract many times in interviews. I don't just make stuff up. I know you wish I did because it would make it easier for you to live in the fantasy land where Jerry has been an asset as a GM, but Jerry made sure to never give another coach the power that Jimmy had. Jerry's ego won't allow it. On a personal note, I know you have been a fan for decades just like me. How can you defend Jerry the GM after all of the losing seasons? The Cowboys were winners under Landry and Johnson. After those two left, Jerry has made this team average at best . I hold it against him personally for taking a team that was known as winners year after year and making them into a joke in the NFL . All of the older fans should know about the glory days of this team and how it has declined. Notice I said Jerry the GM, not Jerry the owner. I have a 180 degree different view of Jerry as an owner. I am amazed that fans defend the man that has made the Cowboys into all talk, glitz and glamour with no substance on the field. Cheer him on though. I know you can't help yourself.
 

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Cue the Gosselin is a hater message.

A "mediot" and a hack.

Pretry easy to know how this will develop.

jimmy knew talent, but he needed jerrys wallet and no salary cap to do this. the dolphins are still waiting for a refund.
 

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And left after one if not the worst playoff loss in NFL history 62-7 to those invincible......ta da....Jaguars.

Now you are just cherry picking. Why not compare Jimmy's first 5 seasons as HC in Dallas with Garrett's, or ANY other Cowboys HC.

Heck compare Jimmy's HC record in 4 years with Fins with ANY Cowboys HC.
 

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Of course, in front of others, Johnson often belittled Jones' football knowledge ("My girlfriend knows more football!"), treated him like an uncool bumpkin and raged if Jones was given even a sliver of credit for building the Super Bowl teams. No doubt Early Jerry, in '92 and '93, could get insufferably full of himself and his status as owner/GM of the Super Bowl champs.

BUT: With Johnson's encouragement, Jones did pull off the near impossible, acquiring Charles Haley from San Francisco after the 49ers had deemed him uncoachable and unmanageable. No way those Cowboys win that first Super Bowl without Haley's often unblockable pass rushing.

AND: Against Johnson's wishes, Jones went solo and acquired safety Thomas Everett, a veteran leader and hitter, from Pittsburgh. Everett became a key final piece to what in July had looked like an unsolvable puzzle.

And of course, if Jones hadn't managed to sign Deion Sanders away from the 49ers, Johnson's replacement, Barry Switzer, probably wouldn't have been able to win Jones a third ring.

Jones did -- and does -- deserve some credit for the three Super Bowls. After all, it all started with his decision to fire Landry and hire Johnson.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11465560/bayless-jerry-jones-jimmy-johnson-dallas-cowboys
 

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Now you are just cherry picking. Why not compare Jimmy's first 5 seasons as HC in Dallas with Garrett's, or ANY other Cowboys HC.

Heck compare Jimmy's HC record in 4 years with Fins with ANY Cowboys HC.

Newsflash: I don't give a crap. I merely pointed out your problems with the comparisons. Conversation over.
 

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IIRC, Jimmy had full control of the team when it came to all football moves. It was in his contract. Jerry was not the GM when Jimmy was there. He was just the man that signed checks when Jummy told him to . Jimmy mentioned the full control clause in his contract many times in interviews. I don't just make stuff up. I know you wish I did because it would make it easier for you to live in the fantasy land where Jerry has been an asset as a GM, but Jerry made sure to never give another coach the power that Jimmy had. Jerry's ego won't allow it. On a personal note, I know you have been a fan for decades just like me. How can you defend Jerry the GM after all of the losing seasons? The Cowboys were winners under Landry and Johnson. After those two left, Jerry has made this team average at best . I hold it against him personally for taking a team that was known as winners year after year and making them into a joke in the NFL . All of the older fans should know about the glory days of this team and how it has declined. Notice I said Jerry the GM, not Jerry the owner. I have a 180 degree different view of Jerry as an owner. I am amazed that fans defend the man that has made the Cowboys into all talk, glitz and glamour with no substance on the field. Cheer him on though. I know you can't help yourself.

C'mon, always cherry picking to put down the present team.

Jason Garrett's record, including playoffs, is 42-32.

To his credit, Garrett has a 12 win season in just over four seasons.

One just can't play both ends against the middle, and trash both Jerry and coaches as well. Either take a whole picture, or move on without proving beyond rooting against.

In Garrett's second full season as head coach, the team produced the club’s third-best all-time total net yardage figure to date by racking up 5,994 yards.

In his first full year as head coach, Garrett guided the 2011 team to an 8-8 finish as the offense amassed 6,008 yards for the second-highest yardage output in franchise history.

When Jason took over a 1-7 team, mid season... he went on to guide a Dallas team to a 5-3 mark down the stretch. In the season’s second half, three of the Cowboys five victories were against teams that posted 10 regular season wins, while the three Dallas defeats were decided by a combined total of seven points.

Under Garrett’s tutelage, 13 different offensive players have earned 30 total trips to the Pro Bowl.

Now, carry the name tossing and missed comparisons on down the road. As yea, Jason had to completely rebuild a team and start off with a cap deficit, that no, Tom Landry didn't have as well.

And quit using the insult crutch that all old fans should just roll over and diss Jerry, no matter the parameters. You harp on the same blame and always leave insult on the table...my discussion with yourself are over...and all the way from Bill Parcells forward, can be expanded and constructed positively just as above with Jason.

I can make my own adult mind up for what is presented...and am tired of listening to no matter what, Jerry was crap at anything but paying bills. Don't even go further with afraid to confront the truth...
 

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C'mon, always cherry picking to put down the present team.

Jason Garrett's record, including playoffs, is 42-32.

To his credit, Garrett has a 12 win season in just over four seasons.

One just can't play both ends against the middle, and trash both Jerry and coaches as well. Either take a whole picture, or move on without proving beyond rooting against.

In Garrett's second full season as head coach, the team produced the club’s third-best all-time total net yardage figure to date by racking up 5,994 yards.

In his first full year as head coach, Garrett guided the 2011 team to an 8-8 finish as the offense amassed 6,008 yards for the second-highest yardage output in franchise history.

When Jason took over a 1-7 team, mid season... he went on to guide a Dallas team to a 5-3 mark down the stretch. In the season’s second half, three of the Cowboys five victories were against teams that posted 10 regular season wins, while the three Dallas defeats were decided by a combined total of seven points.

Under Garrett’s tutelage, 13 different offensive players have earned 30 total trips to the Pro Bowl.

Now, carry the name tossing and missed comparisons on down the road. As yea, Jason had to completely rebuild a team and start off with a cap deficit, that no, Tom Landry didn't have as well.

And quit using the insult crutch that all old fans should just roll over and diss Jerry, no matter the parameters. You harp on the same blame and always leave insult on the table...my discussion with yourself are over...and all the way from Bill Parcells forward, can be expanded and constructed positively just as above with Jason.

I can make my own adult mind up for what is presented...and am tired of listening to no matter what, Jerry was crap at anything but paying bills. Don't even go further with afraid to confront the truth...

You made a point to leave out last season and the 4-12 record. They won a playoff game under Jason and that is supposed to be a big deal ? Not when comparing to the great coaches such as Jummy and Landry. When the team can even win a NFC championship , let me know. I would bet good money that it will not happen anytime soon. History supports my position, but I am sure that past failures are overlooked. By the way, the Pro Bowl is a joke and even the players don't take it serious. Individual accomplishments doesn't do anything for team goals , which should be Super Bowls. Jason had s string of 8-8 seasons. That is average . Average means nothing to me. The expectations of Dallas fans is pathetic compared to what they was at one time. It is sad to say the least.
 

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The only reason it has bottomed out since the Johnson era? is because Jerruh arrogantly
opted to prove he doesn't need a big name coach, GM or anyone else to win a championship
he is convinced he knows the winning formula. After all he played football, he "understands"
the game. and to boot he's a savvy business guy who's earned tons of money and so this
"qualifies" him to do the things he wants and it will all play out in the end, Well 20 years of
failing miserable just proves your a jackass. Even Steinbrenner who was good friends with
Jerruh eventually moved himself out of the way and allowed managers to do the job he had
hired them to do. Jerruh goes through coaches every 4 years or so like I said 20 years is a
long time to go without winning a title it's about time dad took a step back and seriously
looked in the mirror and saw reality for what it is and then graciously step down because
he's just not the man qualified for the job of getting Dallas back to winning titles
 

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C'mon, always cherry picking to put down the present team.

Jason Garrett's record, including playoffs, is 42-32.

To his credit, Garrett has a 12 win season in just over four seasons.]

Garrett is 40-40 as a full-time head coach over the past 5 seasons (2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015) he has been officially a head-coach (as opposed to interim HC).

Including the playoffs he is 41-41.

If you want to include the games where he was interim HC, he is 46-44 including the playoffs.

2016 will be the 7th season JG is the head-coach of the Dallas Cowboys. 7th!
 

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The seemingly endless record of mediocrity this team is experiencing might finally be resolved whenever the Cowboys organization hires a GM with better judgment.

I know not if it will ever come about during my lifetime but I strongly suspect it may not come about in Jerry's. Having a fan serving as GM just doesn't feed the bulldog.
 
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jerry jones hasn't built a winning football team nor has Jason garrett the record of the last twenty years is the reality of what it is. Jerry has built a empire from a team johson built and the players won three out of four superbowls. fans now live on hope year to year. Jerry makes a few moves then in the summer starts the superbowl chant pumps every one up then the team proceeds to fall flat of its face year after year. They have not won consistently year after year in any time period like they good teams do landry and johson were great coaches the ones after them not so much.
 

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Garrett is 40-40 as a full-time head coach over the past 5 seasons (2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015) he has been officially a head-coach (as opposed to interim HC).

Including the playoffs he is 41-41.

If you want to include the games where he was interim HC, he is 46-44 including the playoffs.

2016 will be the 7th season JG is the head-coach of the Dallas Cowboys. 7th!

Average, but demands respect, I guess. Average is good enough these days.
 

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IIRC, Jimmy had full control of the team when it came to all football moves. It was in his contract. Jerry was not the GM when Jimmy was there. He was just the man that signed checks when Jummy told him to . Jimmy mentioned the full control clause in his contract many times in interviews. I don't just make stuff up. I know you wish I did because it would make it easier for you to live in the fantasy land where Jerry has been an asset as a GM, but Jerry made sure to never give another coach the power that Jimmy had. Jerry's ego won't allow it. On a personal note, I know you have been a fan for decades just like me. How can you defend Jerry the GM after all of the losing seasons? The Cowboys were winners under Landry and Johnson. After those two left, Jerry has made this team average at best . I hold it against him personally for taking a team that was known as winners year after year and making them into a joke in the NFL . All of the older fans should know about the glory days of this team and how it has declined. Notice I said Jerry the GM, not Jerry the owner. I have a 180 degree different view of Jerry as an owner. I am amazed that fans defend the man that has made the Cowboys into all talk, glitz and glamour with no substance on the field. Cheer him on though. I know you can't help yourself.

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