NewyScruggs Blog: Wade Phillips Stands Behind Michael Vick

[speedkilz88]

Honestly, it's not about whether he said anything stupid or not. If you even hint that you support Vick or that you're going to wait until due process has been had before rushing to judgement, then you might as well have tried to cross a PETA picket line.

I'm sure a lot of people are that way, I'm not a fan of PETA, they go overboard with their views. But I think most people have no problem with somebody supporting him to a degree that they think he's been a good guy etc., but don't know the details yet and will wait and see what happens in the courts.

I think the others kind of blew it when they went with the he isn't the "ringleader" defense. Like he shouldn't get in trouble because there are bigger fish out there still doing the dog fighting and that the only reason the government is going after Vick is because he's famous. Those were disappointing statements to me.

 

[Stautner]

Even if Vick is found guilty why is it the place of the cowboys HC to comment and stir up the media.

The "no comment" approach is correct IMO, this is not Wade's problem to deal with.

This kind of attitude is exactly what fuels the media. Wade wasn't trying to "deal with" Vick's problem, and his comments aren't even in the ballpark of a crusade for Vick, but as long as people want to overblow everything that is said the media will be happy to help out.

Wade didn't say anything stupid about the Vick situation(he was very PC about it), while Smith, Portis, and Sanders did say some stupid things centered around animal cruelty. There is no comparison.

This is on the head.

Phillips essentially just said that his personal experience with Vick was positive so he isn't going to judge until the facts are in.

Pretty benign stuff.

 

[Jay-D]

I wonder how many of these people who are raking Vick over the coals are eating a hamburger for lunch?

I think Vick did a stupid thing. NOT because he was fighting dogs......but because he simply had no need to be involved with that kind of thing and because he knew it would be big trouble for him if he got caught.

I could care less about the dead dogs and the people who killed them......just like I could care less about the cow that provided the steak I'm gonna eat for supper and the people that killed it.

Anybody that wants to say that dog fighting and cattle slaughtering are two different things are correct....because in dog fighting at least the dog is allowed to fight for his life!

Put down the beef jerky and shut up, you hypocrites.

 

[Doomsday101]

I wonder how many of these people who are raking Vick over the coals are eating a hamburger for lunch?

I think Vick did a stupid thing. NOT because he was fighting dogs......but because he simply had no need to be involved with that kind of thing and because he knew it would be big trouble for him if he got caught.

I could care less about the dead dogs and the people who killed them......just like I could care less about the cow that provided the steak I'm gonna eat for supper and the people that killed it.

Anybody that wants to say that dog fighting and cattle slaughtering are two different things are correct....because in dog fighting at least the dog is allowed to fight for his life!

Put down the beef jerky and shut up, you hypocrites.

This is just too stupid for words

 

[Jay-D]

This is just too stupid for words

If you are not a vegetarian, a condecending opinion on dog fighting is hypocritical.

If you are a vegan, good for you.

 

[silverbear]

I would argue that "good guys" don't hang out with people that fight and kill dogs for kicks. But that is just me.

I'd also argue that "good guys" do not have unprotected sex with women when they know they have herpes... nope, a "good guy" would never do something like that, and conversely, nobody who does that could accurately be called a "good guy"...

Vick was a jerk even before we learned about his contemptible little hobby...

 

[DallasEast]

I wonder how many of these people who are raking Vick over the coals are eating a hamburger for lunch?

I think Vick did a stupid thing. NOT because he was fighting dogs......but because he simply had no need to be involved with that kind of thing and because he knew it would be big trouble for him if he got caught.

I could care less about the dead dogs and the people who killed them......just like I could care less about the cow that provided the steak I'm gonna eat for supper and the people that killed it.

Anybody that wants to say that dog fighting and cattle slaughtering are two different things are correct....because in dog fighting at least the dog is allowed to fight for his life!

Put down the beef jerky and shut up, you hypocrites.

While I respect your opinion, dog fighting and cattle slaughtering cannot be held in the same concept unless Vick was slicing up Rottweiler tenderloins for the local deli.

 

[silverbear]

I could care less about the dead dogs and the people who killed them......

Then there's no reason to listen to anything else you have to say... you probably engage in this "hobby" your own self...

 

[Noryb]

Where does PETA stand on the great sport of hunting?

 

[superpunk]

I wonder how many of these people who are raking Vick over the coals are eating a hamburger for lunch?

I think Vick did a stupid thing. NOT because he was fighting dogs......but because he simply had no need to be involved with that kind of thing and because he knew it would be big trouble for him if he got caught.

I could care less about the dead dogs and the people who killed them......just like I could care less about the cow that provided the steak I'm gonna eat for supper and the people that killed it.

Anybody that wants to say that dog fighting and cattle slaughtering are two different things are correct....because in dog fighting at least the dog is allowed to fight for his life!

Put down the beef jerky and shut up, you hypocrites.

I smell entertainment!

In truth, though - the expression is that you "couldn't" care less. So, tighten it up.

 

[Doomsday101]

If you are not a vegetarian, a condecending opinion on dog fighting is hypocritical.

If you are a vegan, good for you.

Not a vegetarian but I do know the difference between what is part of the nation’s food supply and having 2 domesticated animals ripping each other up for some idiots entertainment. Sorry you can’t tell the difference.

 

[Jay-D]

While I respect your opinion, dog fighting and cattle slaughtering cannot be held in the same concept unless Vick was slicing up Rottweiler tenderloins for the local deli.

I'm not saying dog fighting is a good thing, because it's not. But cattle slaughtering is a horrible business too.

If anything, cattle slaughtering is MORE horrific. Anybody who has seen the inside of a slaughterhouse knows this.

If anybody has a couple male dogs, they know that they are gonna fight whether there are people there to bet on it or not. Dogs fight naturally all the time to establish dominance. It's just that people who think of dogs as gentle pets are shocked at the thought of them fighting.

Fighting dogs is a terrible thing to do and it's illegal.......but every time you eat a steak you need to check yourself because you are eating an innocent animal who was murdered. Period.

I just hate to see all the people in glass houses throwing stones.

 

[5Stars]

Then there's no reason to listen to anything else you have to say... you probably engage in this "hobby" your own self...

I also think this is the same guy that said he would fight a woman!

:laugh1:

 

[Jay-D]

Not a vegetarian but I do know the difference between what is part of the nation’s food supply and having 2 domesticated animals ripping each other up for some idiots entertainment. Sorry you can’t tell the difference.

Well then since you are the expert here, I'd like for you to explain the difference to me!

Human beings have absolutely no need to eat red meat. Millions of people are vegetarians. So basically people eat meat because they LIKE it. That's called entertainment.

Some people like to watch dogs fight because they LIKE it. That's entertainment too....as sick as it may be.

Sorry you're too intellectually shallow to look at things from an angle that isn't conductive to your learned morality.

 

[Jay-D]

Then there's no reason to listen to anything else you have to say... you probably engage in this "hobby" your own self...

Yes Silverbear....everybody who has stood up for Mike Vick is automatically a dog fighter. It's our world, you're just living in it.

Your ignorant ramblings are hereby prohibited from this thread.

 

[Jay-D]

Speaking of entertainment......

Some people like to watch two men beat each other senseless in a boxing ring. Sometimes one of them dies. Sometimes people are permanantly injured. People even bet lots of money on this sport!

Imagine this.......some people bet on a sport where 11 huge guys smash into each other while throwing a football around. People have died and been permanantly maimed during this sport as well.

Before somebody starts spouting something about the dogs being forced into fighting.......let me ask you this......

What exactly was Mike Tyson gonna do without a boxing ring? Lots of boxers are forced into fighting through their lives on the streets, or by their fathers, or by any number of other outside influences.

Many of them fight.....pay the price with thier bodies are are tossed aside when they wear out. Some of them make big money.....but don't you think a guy like Muhammed Ali would give back every penny to be rid of his condition?

Same thing goes for alot of pro football players. I'm sorry....but alot of these guys are too dumb to be able to do anything else besides chase a football and smash people. Many of them are forced into it to be able to financially support thier families.

I'm not saying that dog fighting is an acceptable thing because it's not.....but I think some of us need to temper our enthusiasm when it comes to crucifying Mike Vick. There is only ONE who will judge Vick......and it sure ain't us.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

Or maybe he's just not a Prejudiced, Judgemental,Pretentous, Holier than Thou, Dweeb That is so scared to say what he really means and has replaced it with Hip Hop and Thug.

People act as if M Vick invented Pit fighting and you people are Sooooo Intellectually Weak or dishonest I laugh at you. People fight dogs, Do I do it? nope. But do you people even hazzard to guess how silly you look whan you equate it to Beating wives, Psycho killers, Etal? You look like a typical person with a weak argument but because you are in the majority you spout with the Confidence.

It has been going on for thousand of years. It is engaged upon by the rich, the poor, the Black The White, The Brown and every hue God has created. Pit Bulls are bred for this. They will fight with no provocation it is what they are. It is now against the law and Vick if found guilty will be punished. The punishment should and will fit the crime. You People will be dissapointed, One who gets their enjoyment off of another mans pain usually stay miserable. You will wait for the next person you hate or are jealous of to fall so you can Crow from you I'm so holy perch. He is evil and I am GOD and they got what is coming to them! You are no better than a poor person who gets joy when a Rich mans is targeted by The Law or by The Govt. It will not benefit his life one Ioata yet he is gleefull and willingly gives up his rights to see big bad Bro get the guy they hate. For evidence I site the willingness for you people to suspend the Innocent Until proven Guilty Approach when it come s to Vick, You Hate him, you want him Gone and you don'tcare who what where why It happens as long as he Goes away.

Nice Humanity Guys and you have the nerve to judge Vick.

WOW!!!!!!!

 

[DallasEast]

I'm not saying dog fighting is a good thing, because it's not. But cattle slaughtering is a horrible business too.

Cattle slaughtering is a horrible business for the sole purpose of food consumption. Dog fighting is a horrible business with no worthwhile purpose whatsoever. There is no comparison.

If anything, cattle slaughtering is MORE horrific. Anybody who has seen the inside of a slaughterhouse knows this.

Not directed at you, but anyone with half a brain can visualize the horrific nature of slaughtering live animals. Yet, it must be pointed out that slaughtering an animal to eat its meat is not the same as commanding animals each other to fight to the death for entertainment. (I feel a bullfighting reference forthcoming...)

If anybody has a couple male dogs, they know that they are gonna fight whether there are people there to bet on it or not. Dogs fight naturally all the time to establish dominance. It's just that people who think of dogs as gentle pets are shocked at the thought of them fighting.

Okay. Old country boy here. I've seen PLENTY of dogs fight each other. Cats too. Rarely have I ever seen dogs even attempt to fight each other to the death without human prodding. Cats on the other hand...

Fighting dogs is a terrible thing to do and it's illegal.......but every time you eat a steak you need to check yourself because you are eating an innocent animal who was murdered. Period.

The steak, which I will be eating, was slaughtered for the purpose of nourishment. Period. The next time I'm at Taco Bell and they serve me Chihuahua wrapped in a tortilla, I'll give your argument another chance.

Waitasec. I hate Taco Bell.

I just hate to see all the people in glass houses throwing stones.

We're all sinners, but some of us kill dogs for zero reasons and others don't care. I guess that's all good..?

 

[LaTunaNostra]

"I don’t know all the answers. I don’t know what’s happenend…I don’t know…maybe the people that were around him…those kind of things. I still gonna be on his side until something happens."

That's a pretty innocuous statement, but it still took some balls and brains to say it.

Balls because Wade has to know that altho he in no way condones, supports, or defends dog-fighting, some folks are gonna spin it that way.

Brains because he realizes when those folks misrepresent his quote, it doesn't matter - what does matter is the rather closed little world of the NFL coach and player, and believe me, those level headed words of Wade (which of course equal "I will support an ex-player of mine, and by extension EVERY player til he's PROVEN GUILTY") will go a LONG way with the men he works with.

My guess is the vast majority of NFL players are sickened by the charges against Vick, but most are also watching the court of public opinion as it operates and have to be aghast.

Not guilty til proven so. Much as I despise the abuse of animals, that fundamental right still needs to be considered.

Props, Coach. Some will see the quote as wishy-washy, some as incendiary, but all I see in it is integrity.

 

[Tass]

Vick is a good guy.........but, he hung out with the wrong crowd.

Birds of a feather, dude.