NewyScruggs Blog: Wade Phillips Stands Behind Michael Vick

[aikemirv]

Cattle slaughtering is a horrible business for the sole purpose of food consumption. Dog fighting is a horrible business with no worthwhile purpose whatsoever. There is no comparison.

Not directed at you, but anyone with half a brain can visualize the horrific nature of slaughtering live animals. Yet, it must be pointed out that slaughtering an animal to eat its meat is not the same as commanding animals each other to fight to the death for entertainment. (I feel a bullfighting reference forthcoming...)

Okay. Old country boy here. I've seen PLENTY of dogs fight each other. Cats too. Rarely have I ever seen dogs even attempt to fight each other to the death without human prodding. Cats on the other hand...

The steak, which I will be eating, was slaughtered for the purpose of nourishment. Period. The next time I'm at Taco Bell and they serve me Chihuahua wrapped in a tortilla, I'll give your argument another chance.

Waitasec. I hate Taco Bell.

We're all sinners, but some of us kill dogs for zero reasons and others don't care. I guess that's all good..?

I've got two male Pekingnese. I think they would fight each other until one of them could not stand anymore if we did not break them apart. They play with each other 23.9 hours a day and jealousy rares up and off they go. They are just vicious. Dogs don't need any prodding to fight each other and until one runs away they are going to keep fighting.

Dog fighting is awful, no doubt, but the people who watch for entertainment are no different than those who watch Ultimate fighting for entertainment IMO.

Those that run it definately are, but I would not be so quick to judgement until you ascertain what entertains you!

 

[Hostile]

I'd hate to be a former coach or teammate of Vick. I really would.

On the one hand if you condemn his actions you're a traitor.

On the other hand if don't condemn his actions you're a morally depraved idiot.

This is exactly why it is better that he is away form the game during this. Imagine what his current teammates will be going through. Even with him away from the team there is no bigger story for the Falcons.

 

[DallasEast]

I've got two male Pekingnese. I think they would fight each other until one of them could not stand anymore if we did not break them apart. They play with each other 23.9 hours a day and jealousy rares up and off they go. They are just vicious. Dogs don't need any prodding to fight each other and until one runs away they are going to keep fighting.

Dog fighting is awful, no doubt, but the people who watch for entertainment are no different than those who watch Ultimate fighting for entertainment IMO.

Those that run it definately are, but I would not be so quick to judgement until you ascertain what entertains you!

Question.

In any given year, how many times do you have to take your two Pekingnese to the vet to recover from their wounds?

Another question.

How many ultimate fighters have you watched fight to the death?

Death sports are only entertaining for those who enjoy watching them.

 

[aikemirv]

Question.

In any given year, how many times do you have to take your two Pekingnese to the vet to recover from their wounds?

Another question.

How many ultimate fighters have you watched fight to the death?

Death sports are only entertaining for those who enjoy watching them.

We take good care of our dogs and if we did not seperate them very quickly, I would bet one of them would have lost an eye by now at least. My inlaws peke lost an eye to fighting!

I don't watch ultimate fighting, do you? Just seen commercials. It's pretty barbaric don't you think?

 

[03EBZ06]

I don't have any problem with WP or others supporting Vick, that's just human nature, support those who are close to you.

But for me, if any of my relatives where charged with this heinous crime and there is any truth to it, that person will not get my support.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I wonder how many of these people who are raking Vick over the coals are eating a hamburger for lunch?

I think Vick did a stupid thing. NOT because he was fighting dogs......but because he simply had no need to be involved with that kind of thing and because he knew it would be big trouble for him if he got caught.

I could care less about the dead dogs and the people who killed them......just like I could care less about the cow that provided the steak I'm gonna eat for supper and the people that killed it.

Anybody that wants to say that dog fighting and cattle slaughtering are two different things are correct....because in dog fighting at least the dog is allowed to fight for his life!

Put down the beef jerky and shut up, you hypocrites.

Yeah, all you guys with leather belts should be locked up in prison!!!

Jesus, deion and Vick have suffered for our sins. The least we kin do is not be hypocratics.

Sometimes I feel that some of you also are from Farmers Branch, where logic and being rational are optional.

 

[Stautner]

I wonder how many of these people who are raking Vick over the coals are eating a hamburger for lunch?

I think Vick did a stupid thing. NOT because he was fighting dogs......but because he simply had no need to be involved with that kind of thing and because he knew it would be big trouble for him if he got caught.

I could care less about the dead dogs and the people who killed them......just like I could care less about the cow that provided the steak I'm gonna eat for supper and the people that killed it.

Anybody that wants to say that dog fighting and cattle slaughtering are two different things are correct....because in dog fighting at least the dog is allowed to fight for his life!

Put down the beef jerky and shut up, you hypocrites.

I second another poster's sentiments - this is too stupid for words.

Putting killing for food at the same level as torture is like equating earning a living by way of a legitimate job to mugging and killing to steal other people's money ........ there is a difference in the method and the morality and the motivation.

If you are not a vegetarian, a condecending opinion on dog fighting is hypocritical.

If you are a vegan, good for you.

That's BS too - we are in the food chain, and just as a lion eats the meat of those lower on the food chain, so do we.

But a lion kills for food - not to torture.

And that's what we do when we kill cattle for food.

I'm not saying dog fighting is a good thing, because it's not. But cattle slaughtering is a horrible business too.

If anything, cattle slaughtering is MORE horrific. Anybody who has seen the inside of a slaughterhouse knows this.

If anybody has a couple male dogs, they know that they are gonna fight whether there are people there to bet on it or not. Dogs fight naturally all the time to establish dominance. It's just that people who think of dogs as gentle pets are shocked at the thought of them fighting.

Fighting dogs is a terrible thing to do and it's illegal.......but every time you eat a steak you need to check yourself because you are eating an innocent animal who was murdered. Period.

I just hate to see all the people in glass houses throwing stones.

By this really poor logic it would follow that because drunks in a bar are going to fight then we should just raise people to be fighters, force them to get drunk and fight, and provide a venue for people pay to watch, and provide them with guns and knives and razors and clubs and let people cheer them on.

If you can't see the difference between bad things you can't prevent and actually causing bad things to occur then you are in desperate need of some education and an infusion of rational thought.

 

[5Stars]

If you can't see the difference between bad things you can't prevent and actually causing bad things to occur then you are in desperate need of some education and an infusion of rational thought.

Give it up, my friend! This guy and others like him will never get it...

 

[LaTunaNostra]

If anything, cattle slaughtering is MORE horrific. Anybody who has seen the inside of a slaughterhouse knows this.

I pray you are incorrect.

I loves me some steak (and my leather purses and jackets) but if the cattle that provide them to me are being electrocuted, drowned, and hung, then I think I can give them up.

And if before they are slaughtered, they are being swung by their tails and their brains are being bashed out against a wall because they lost a fight, well, I think I can finally manage to pass up the red meat.

And also, if before those cattle make it to the dinner table, they are mated, bred, and trained to viciously attack each other and fight to the bloody, mangled death in a ring while a pack of 'superior' animals wager money on them, egging them on to kill, insenstive to their pain, misery, and mortal wounds, then I KNOW I can embrace the wonders of soy.

Meanwhile, back at the slaughterhouse, it must be some hell if it's worse than the fate of these poor dogs, - animals, I may mention, with sufficient brain power and sophisticated senses to be not just domesticated, but 'companions' to and protectors of human beings.

 

[aikemirv]

I pray you are incorrect.

I loves me some steak (and my leather purses and jackets) but if the cattle that provide them to me are being electrocuted, drowned, and hung, then I think I can give them up.

And if before they are slaughtered, they are being swung by their tails and their brains are being bashed out against a wall because they lost a fight, well, I think I can finally manage to pass up the red meat.

And also, if before those cattle make it to the dinner table, they are mated, bred, and trained to viciously attack each other and fight to the bloody, mangled death in a ring while a pack of 'superior' animals wager money on them, egging them on to kill, insenstive to their pain, misery, and mortal wounds, then I KNOW I can embrace the wonders of soy.

Meanwhile, back at the slaughterhouse, it must be some hell if it's worse than the fate of these poor dogs, - animals, I may mention, with sufficient brain power and sophisticated senses to be not just domesticated, but 'companions' to and protectors of human beings.

While I don't agree that dog fighting is anything close to killing cattle, I do agree that the entertainment value of the sport of dogfighting is very close to the entertainment value of ultimate fighting.

Choice really has no bearing on entertainment value, either you like watching two human beings or dogs beat the crap out of each other or it pretty much makes you sick IMO.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Choice really has no bearing on entertainment value, either you like watching two human beings or dogs beat the crap out of each other or it pretty much makes you sick IMO.

Yeah, that is what it comes down to, I guess.

And of course, there are gradations even there, societally imposed lines to cross or not cross.

So I can say I do enjoy a great prizefight, especially elite heavy weights (what's left of them) battling it out, knowing full well one COULD actually die, but turn up my nose at ultimate fighting as sadism bordering psychopathology, and REALLY deplore dog fighting, for the simple reason, unlike humans fighting professionally, the dogs had no choice. For me, i'ts being pitted to the death by another entity that really reeks of sadistic pleasure.

We're all gonna fall on a different hair of the line, and I suppose feel morally superior to the one who falls short of ours. But much of the world will look at boxing, and be as horrified as I am by 'ultimate fighting' and watching animals fight , I guess.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I would argue that "good guys" don't hang out with people that fight and kill dogs for kicks. But that is just me.

I would say 'good guys' dont go around shooting animals to hang there heads on the wall for kicks.

 

[DallasEast]

We take good care of our dogs and if we did not seperate them very quickly, I would bet one of them would have lost an eye by now at least. My inlaws peke lost an eye to fighting!

Lost an eye, huh? Ouch.

You've certainly piqued my curiosity. I'm gonna have to talk to a friend who's a vet and ask her about treating dogfighting victims for more info.

I don't watch ultimate fighting, do you? Just seen commercials. It's pretty barbaric don't you think?

Nope. Ultimate fighting lacks the sophistication of boxing along with 'pro' wrestling, etc. Watching dark alley fights just isn't very appealing to me.

 

[DallasEast]

I would say 'good guys' dont go around shooting animals to hang there heads on the wall for kicks.

Don't tell me that there are hunters who actually keep trophies of their kills??? And that they don't necessary kill animals to feed themselves or to protect the environment??? Shocking!

/sarcasm off

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Don't tell me that there are hunters who actually keep trophies of their kills??? And that they don't necessary kill animals to feed themselves or to protect the environment??? Shocking!

/sarcasm off

There are deer bred for the the sole purpose of their racks and what do you think goes on in a safari?

Screwd dogs they deserve no special treatment over any other animal.

if its alright to shoot a deer so I can hang its antlers on my wall it should be fine to shoot my dog because it cant fight worth a damn.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Screwd dogs they deserve no special treatment over any other animal.

Well, Fuzzy, we as a culture have decided they do. We have invested dogs, not deer, with a high status for their companionship and protection, and for specific roles like help in hunting, seeing eyes for the blind, bomb sniffing , etc.

But for a few more brain cells, and a bit less timidity, it could just have easily been the deer, I suppose.

But sure, 'inherent' , 'natural' rights that supercede any cultural dictate - it's either NO or ALL animals that have 'rights'.

 

[DallasEast]

There are deer bred for the the sole purpose of their racks and what do you think goes on in a safari?

Screwd dogs they deserve no special treatment over any other animal.

if its alright to shoot a deer so I can hang its antlers on my wall it should be fine to shoot my dog because it cant fight worth a damn.

Whoa. I was being sarcastic. There is very little that I do not know of the true nature behind some forms of 'hunting'. Still, some forms of 'hunting' and dogfighting are equally wrong for different reasons.

On a personal note, I've recently wondered how Native Americans dealt with the overpopulation of deer for hundreds (if not thousands) of years before the Europeans came over, using simply bow-and-arrows, spears, etc. That must have been tough, dontcha think?

Just personal musings. Carry on.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

You read the headline right. The new coach of the Dallas Cowboys is standing behind embattled Falcons quarterback Mike Vick.



Before you become outraged, read on.

I sat down with Wade Phillips this afternoon for a one on one interview. You can catch that interview on Sports Extra tonight at 10:30 PM on NBC 5.

I asked him about his former quarterback, Michael Vick, who is dealing with an indictment for running a dogfighting ring.

Phillips was the defensive coordinator for the Falcons in 2003 and replaced Dan Reeves who would resign during the season.

He told me was surprised at all the negative events going on Vick's life. Here is some of his thoughts:

"I took over as the interim coach the last three games. We won two of ‘em. Michael played outstanding in those games. He was great on the field."

"I don’t know all the answers. I don’t know what’s happenend…I don’t know…maybe the people that were around him…those kind of things. I still gonna be on his side until something happens."

These days sticking up for Vick is tough business. Just ask Emmitt Smith, Clinton Portis, and Deion Sanders.

Phillips thinks Vick is a good guy and admits he doesn't have all the facts in the case. He has not read the ugly 18 page indictment of his alleged actions. He doesn't have time, he's got a job to do.


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Posted at 5:51 PM

Pretty dumb by Wade. He could have just said "I hope Michael Vick did not do what is being alleged." PERIOD.

Well, Wade is no rocket surgeon.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well, Fuzzy, we as a culture have decided they do. We have invested dogs, not deer, with a high status for their companionship and protection, and for specific roles like help in hunting, seeing eyes for the blind, bomb sniffing , etc.

But for a few more brain cells, and a bit less timidity, it could just have easily been the deer, I suppose.

But sure, 'inherent' , 'natural' rights that supercede any cultural dictate - it's either NO or ALL animals that have 'rights'.

Don't include me in that we. i laugh at people that can condemn killing dogs and then somehow rationalize killing pretty much every other animal on the planet with impunity.

The legality behind is based on sentiment and nothing promoting rational thought.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Whoa. I was being sarcastic. There is very little that I do not know of the true nature behind some forms of 'hunting'. Still, some forms of 'hunting' and dogfighting are equally wrong for different reasons.

On a personal note, I've recently wondered how Native Americans dealt with the overpopulation of deer for hundreds (if not thousands) of years before the Europeans came over, using simply bow-and-arrows, spears, etc. That must have been tough, dontcha think?

Just personal musings. Carry on.

I understand that but it really pisses me off that people are incarcerated for this type of thing while we live in a culture where animal slavery, killing and torture for vice are societal norms.

You are limiting the liberty and rights of human beings for the sentiments of dog lovers and the rights of dogs. Its hypocritical illogical and contemptible.

As for the Indian thing man is by far not the only predator of deer.