NFC East by position-QB

[Tom [Giants fan]]

I saw someone say that the Giants just asked Eli not to mess it up during the two Super Bowls. I just wanted to know why that person doesn't watch the Super Bowl at all?

 

[Big Blue Joe]

I think Manning has benefited from better coaching and better Oline/RBs. I think his WRs have always been a bit better than Dallas' over the last few years just in how they communicate/play together.

He wouldn't have that kind of success in Dallas. Vice-versa, if Romo had better coaching and a reliable run game, I think he'd have achieved far more by now

Objectively, the 2007 Cowboys were a much better team than the 2007 Giants. The Cowboys had 13 Pro Bowlers that season including 3 OL, a RB, and a WR. Even if it were true that the Giants had the more talented team over the last 7 seasons, Eli's has already shown he can lead an inferior team to victory against better teams (e.g. 2011 Packers(15-1) or 2007 Patriots (18-0)) in the playoffs. I think he'd do OK with the Cowboys. I'm not convinced that Romo would be more successful if he played for the Giants.

 

[Idgit]

Objectively, the 2007 Cowboys were a much better team than the 2007 Giants. The Cowboys had 13 Pro Bowlers that season including 3 OL, a RB, and a WR. Even if it were true that the Giants had the more talented team over the last 7 seasons, Eli's has already shown he can lead an inferior team to victory against better teams (e.g. 2011 Packers(15-1) or 2007 Patriots (18-0)) in the playoffs. I think he'd do OK with the Cowboys. I'm not convinced that Romo would be more successful if he played for the Giants.

Bah. That 2007 team had capable QB play, but they won because their pass rush collapsed the other teams' OLs. It was impressive to watch, but I'm completely convinced Romo could have done a similar job in the same circumstance. He's a better player.

At the end of the day, though, it doesn't matter. As long as your guy is good enough to win it all with--and you've done it twice, that's all that really counts.

 

[skinsfan10]

I'm guessing no one on this forum watched any football last year. Hysterical!!!

 

[jobberone]

I'm guessing no one on this forum watched any football last year. Hysterical!!!

Why to you say that? I assume its due to RG not getting enough votes. I think most of want to see how he returns and how teams play the guy this year. I don't think he'll be able to run like he did last year although I still expect him to enough to keep the threat. We'll see. I don't think he's one dimensional.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...lumpbusters-robert-griffin-iii-052925506.html

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Second-year slumpbusters: Robert Griffin III

The Comeback Kid

The effect that Robert Griffin had on the Washington Commanders in his rookie season can be summed up with one question: How many rookies in NFL history have had an entire offense tailored to their specific attributes? Because, make no mistake, what Commanders head coach Mike Shanahan and offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan put on the field in 2012 didn't resemble anything we'd ever seen from the storied Washington franchise, and it didn't really look much like anything else we'd seen in pro football ... well, ever.

Last regular season, per Football Outsiders' game-charting metrics, Washington ran the Pistol formation 320 times, more than all other NFL teams combined. The Shanahans augmented that short shotgun, multi-back look with a dizzying array of tight end sets and motions that kept every opposing defense on its heels. Mix in Griffin's demon speed and freakish deep accuracy, and you had something that was just about unstoppable when it was humming. The knee injuries Griffin suffered in his rookie season had some spinning the narrative that this was another gimmick quarterback who was about to get his comeuppance at the hands of the NFL, but that's a grossly inaccurate oversimplification. Griffin didn't complete 72.4 percent of his passes and lead the NCAA in yards per attempt at Baylor in 2011 because he was the beneficiary of a few splash plays. Whether he was throwing a deep post to Kendall Wright at Baylor or rocking the New Orleans Saints with a drag route to Pierre Garcon in his professional debut, Griffin had to impress anyone who actually watched tape of him playing the position.

And that's what makes Griffin truly dangerous as a quarterback: If the Shanahans do decide to either scrap or alter their overall game plan for Griffin to make him more of a pocket passer and less a shotgun runner, Griffin's first-year numbers indicate that he's already well on his way to success with that idea. In 2012, no quarterback had a higher DVOA (FO's opponent-adjusted per-play efficiency metric) than Griffin when he was under center. In other words, when you take away the collegiate conceits and are left with Griffin just as a pure quarterback -- scanning his reads and dissecting defenses -- he's just as good as any young signal-caller we've seen come down the pike.

I think it is forgotten just how good RG3 was from the pocket and under center in "traditional" sets.

I am looking forward to seeing how the Shanahans expand the offense from the pocket this year

 

[Idgit]

Why to you say that? I assume its due to RG not getting enough votes. I think most of want to see how he returns and how teams play the guy this year. I don't think he'll be able to run like he did last year although I still expect him to enough to keep the threat. We'll see. I don't think he's one dimensional.

He says it because he's a Sk*ns fan, and he wants some attention on a Cowboys board.

 

[jobberone]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...lumpbusters-robert-griffin-iii-052925506.html

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I think it is forgotten just how good RG3 was from the pocket and under center in "traditional" sets.

I am looking forward to seeing how the Shanahans expand the offense from the pocket this year

I like the player and think he'll take a lot of game planning. I'm not sure he'll be as productive as last year but we'll see. I do not consider him a run only threat and I think Morris et al can still run the ball. However, I expect his production to go down as teams play the read option better. We'll see. And yes he led the league in YPA and I think the Skins were at or near the top in YPC.

 

[Woody Runner]

Well, it depends on what you mean by "best". Manning has an uncanny way of winning big games. RGIII is probably the most dangerous on any given play and Romo, for my money, is the most consistent (at least during the regular season). I suppose age has to come into it as well. I am gonna cop out on this one - I really don't think there is a "best" out of the aforementioned. A legitimate argument can be made for each one...... Forget about Vick - he's a joke at this point.

I think I'd have to agree with this sentiment. An argument can be made for Romo, Manning, and Griffin. If I was forced to Rank them now it would be Manning, Romo, Griffin, Vick. Griffin with the biggest upside and possibility to be a great. I really think RGIII is awesome.

 

[ufcrules1]

I would rank them in this order...
Manning (2 time super bowl mvp)
RG3
Romo
Vick

 

[slaga]

I would rank them in this order...
Manning (2 time super bowl mvp)
RG3
Romo




Vick

I agree with a little fix to your post.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'd probably go with this:

Eli
Tony
RGIII
Vick.

Regardless, skins on the wall mean something IMO and there are no bigger skins then Super Bowl wins in the NFL.

If RGIII can manage to stay healthy and continue to develop, this list might be changing real soon.

 

[ufcrules1]

I agree with a little fix to your post.

lol @ that.

 

[Echo9]

Obviously, I will be seen as biased, but here's mine:

Griffin
Romo
Eli
any of the eagles

Now, this is said with a HUGE asterisk, Griffin only has one year and we all know he has to prove it wasn't a fluke. That said, when he is healthy(part of the asterisk of course), he had an amazing command of the offense, especially considering it was his rookie season. From the team aspect, he led his team to wins against every division rival, and just came up 1 Moss fumble (or defensive snafu) short of sweeping the division. Griffin does need to not fumble as much. It was crazy that he had 12 fumbles (3rd behind Rivers and Sanchez), but only lost 2 and 2 of his fumbles were turned into TD's for us. Romo had 6, and lost 3, Eli had 5 and lost 1. But he doesn't throw many INT's at all, and that has been the case his whole college and now NFL career, so I expect that to continue. His YPA were number 1 in the league, His passer rating was #3, His 5 int's (in 16 games including the Seattle game) was the lowest in the league for a starter of 15+ games, compare that to Eli's 15 in 16 games, Romo's 19 in 16 games, and Vick's 10 in 10 games. Romo and Griffin both had a Completion% of 65.6, and Griffin's Y/C was slightly higher - 12.4 to 11.5

I get that Griffin didn't put the yards up that Romo does every season, and truthfully, if Romo leads your team to a TD on that drive where he throws the int, I would put him as number 1. Romo has the stats to be number one, he has the evasiveness to extend plays and drive defenses crazy. He is better at that then Eli. Romo has never had a passer rating under 90% for a season, and he has completed more than 60% of his passes every season. He clearly is an outstanding qb, and if he didn't have those moments that just make you shake your head (often at a very wrong time) he would have led your team to at least 1 NFC championship.

Eli just finds a way, once in a while. But I don't see him as this excellent qb. He earned his rings, but he was an important cog, rather than the driver that made it all go. I see both Romo and Griffin as drivers, when they are going right, there team follows them and wins. Eli is as up and down as the rest of the Giants are, but they have shown twice that they knew the ultimate goal. Throwing out outlier seasons of 53% and 63% Eli's completion% has been in the 57-62% range and twice he has led the league in INT's. His YPA(7.1 career) and YPC (12.1 career) are respectable, and certainly give him claim to competitiveness. Just, for me the INT's and completion % both lower his spot in my opinion.

Eagles qbs, not even worth looking stats up.

all stats referenced were found on profootball-reference.com, as well as any rankings I referenced.

Well, that is biased, but there's nothing wrong with that. Everyone is biased. We're fans. Some admit to the bias and some overcompensate in the other direction in an attempt to be unbiased, but we are all fans and human. Being truly objective is near impossible.

That said, I think the HUGE asterisk you elaborated on with RG3 means that he's below Romo and Eli right now. Thats just how I see it at this time. those points you brought up are the exact reason he's rated lower now. This time next year, he may very well be the best in the division. He has a ton of potential, has shown quite a bit as a rookie and is also an impressive human being. That last part is frustrating for me as a Cowboy fan since I want to hate him. I have no desire to admire a Commander, but it seems I have no choice.