NFC East picks vs. Taco

[JJHLH1]

I disagree about the giants. I think they have absolutely nailed this offseason. People are overstating their Offensive line issues.

They signed Rhett Ellison, DJ Fluker and Brandon Marshall. They drafted Engram.

Don't underestimate how important the loss of Johnathan Hankins is. He was a huge run stopper up the middle that we no longer have to worry about.

 

[jazzcat22]

Why is everyone so afraid of Marshall? At this point, he's an average receiver and that's about it. He was never great. He was good, but not great. There's a reason he's been on so many teams in his career. As for Charlton, I think he has a load of upside. I'm more than fine with the pick. This RDE v. LDE talk is nothing more than pissing and moaning. You can either play or you can't. Charlton can.

Agree.
And some on here seem to think the giants are unstoppable now, for what ever reasons.
Just as Marshall is on another team, same goes for Fluker, there is a reason SD let him go. Other than Beckham, I do not fear the giants offense. Now if they get a running game, I may feel somewhat different. But not fearful.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

I'll make it easy for you:
Derek Barnett = Anthony Spencer
Evan Engram=Jordan Reed
Jonathan Allen=Flechter Cox
Taco Charlton = Greg Ellis

I was a big Ellis fan I won't mind 8 sacks a year.

And no this isn't my order that I rank them.

 

[erod]

Why is everyone so afraid of Marshall? At this point, he's an average receiver and that's about it. He was never great. He was good, but not great. There's a reason he's been on so many teams in his career. As for Charlton, I think he has a load of upside. I'm more than fine with the pick. This RDE v. LDE talk is nothing more than pissing and moaning. You can either play or you can't. Charlton can.

But he's the 3rd or 4th option now. He'll get team's 3rd corner on him.

 

[jazzcat22]

Dang, reading all the love for the giants on here...am i on the right teams forum...This is The Cowboys Zone isn't it?
May as well hand the division to the giants right now...not even watch this year....

I know good things can be said about other teams, and not have all sunshine and lolipops on here. But come one, they aren't that good. We did win the divison, and lost 2 games by what 2 points last year to them. And were a play a way from the win in both games.

 

[ShiningStar]

omg, this remind me of the hell that was going to rain down on us because the skins got Orakpo. Dear lords people, other teams have problems too. Just because another team picks a player doesnt make him the next Football God.

Right now, the Giants have had a great off season and really fixed a lot of problems. Still a lot of time to go. At the begining of last season everyone was crowning the Vikings SB contenders. WE all know how that turned out.

For whatever reason, Dallas decided to take a step back, they have to play behind the 8 ball. Lets see what happens. Last year many thought every other QB in the last draft was better than Dak. Look what happened. Lets see what happens. Lately the Cowboys have been drafting well. Still plenty of fans on this board think Jaylon is going to be awesome, Im not one of them but im not going to dismiss everything i disagree with. We ll see what happens.

 

[Plankton]

Here's my take on the picks:

Eagles - Derek Barnett - Barnett is a better football player than athlete. He has been very productive at a high college level, playing quite well against SEC competition. If you measure him without pads and in shorts, you will be underwhelmed. If you watch him on tape, you will love the player. He has an all day motor, good hand usage, and pretty solid rush instincts. He's also a very young player as a true junior draft entry. I think he will be a very good DE in a 4-3, and it was a great selection by Philadelphia.

Commanders - Jonathan Allen - Allen, IMO, was the second best player in the draft. I have no specific knowledge as to the extent of his shoulder issues (he hasn't been limited in college), and how this will play out over his career. Allen is a very intelligent player with good leadership skills. He has very strong, heavy hands, and can be effective as a base end on run downs, and kick inside as a 3T on pass downs. Another all day guy in terms of effort. He was productive on a very good defensive line, and is a nasty finisher. One of the absolute steals of the draft who will be a good 5T for the Commanders on run downs and a load on pass downs as an inside rusher.

Giants - Evan Engram - In reality, he's a big slot. Engram will give effort blocking, but he's at best a wall off guy without the lower body strength to move guys off the LOS. He's a freaky athlete who will be a tough matchup on seam and option routes, but with Sterling Shepard and Brandon Marshall in place manning the slot, his effectiveness may not be as great as one might imagine. With Forrest Lamp on the board, I think the Giants erred in not selecting him. I also think that David Njoku presented better potential for an in-line TE, and is 20 years old with his best football in front of him. However, the Giants did have a scheduled private meeting with Njoku that was cancelled, so this could explain their lack of interest when he was available to them.

Cowboys - Taco Charlton - Charlton is a guy who people either seem to love or hate (like almost any Cowboy draft selection). He's a rangy, long athlete who looks a lot like a power forward playing defensive end. His levered strength is pretty good, and he is a good finisher. His production at Michigan improved every year. He is a player with a high floor as a prospect. For those that knock him starting for only one season, he was not a scheme fit for the 3-4 defense that they ran for the majority of his Michigan career. In the 4-3 D run by Don Brown last year, he took a big step forward. Where I have issues with him are two-fold. One, he is not a twitchy player, and is not particularly quick off the ball. Two, a good deal of his production was from the LDE position, and the Cowboys need a RDE prospect. The Cowboys indicate that they will give him a shot at RDE, but I don't know if he is initially quick enough to finish consistently at that position. I don't think that he will bust at all - he will be a solid player in the 6-8 sacks per year range, which for picking 28th is not bad. However, I don't think that he will be a guy who teams need to slide pass protection toward, or be a game wrecker. It's unrealistic to expect this from a guy picked 28th. Were it my draft to run, I would have looked to trade down. Without a good deal, I would have gone for Njoku, as I love his long term potential.

In order of best to worst, I go:
Commanders - Allen
Eagles - Barnett
Cowboys - Charlton
Giants - Engram

 

[theebs]

Don't underestimate how important the loss of Johnathan Hankins is. He was a huge run stopper up the middle that we no longer have to worry about.

harrison is the better player and they still have a lot of picks left to fill that role. They also have bromley.

Like i said before though I think there defense is going to slip a bit for a couple of reasons, mainly because of playing the afc west but also because its just the natural way this league goes.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

I'll make it easy for you:
Derek Barnett = Anthony Spencer
Evan Engram=Jordan Reed
Jonathan Allen=Flechter Cox
Taco Charlton = Greg Ellis

I was a big Ellis fan I won't mind 8 sacks a year.

Pretty accurate, a safe pick but I think Chartons' ceiling is being under estimated. He was a player that slid on Draft day for no character/health reasons. Some Gurus had this big guy going near the top 10.

 

[bodi]

I trust Will McClay.

Remember when we drafted Travis Frederick and Zack Martin? We were somewhat underwhelmed. Now we're very much whelmed.

yea but we had

Frank Pollack
Offensive Line

and

Marc Colombo
Assistant Offensive Line

looking at them

 

[BourbonBalz]

But he's the 3rd or 4th option now. He'll get team's 3rd corner on him.

And that's about all he is. A 3rd or 4th option. Every team has them. He's no better than that at this stage in his career.

 

[Sarge]

Why is everyone so afraid of Marshall? At this point, he's an average receiver and that's about it. He was never great. He was good, but not great. There's a reason he's been on so many teams in his career. As for Charlton, I think he has a load of upside. I'm more than fine with the pick. This RDE v. LDE talk is nothing more than pissing and moaning. You can either play or you can't. Charlton can.

You're right and you're wrong. At one point, Marshall was great. At this point, he's not nearly what he used to be. Slowed down a LOT last year.

 

[sweetness0986]

But he's the 3rd or 4th option now. He'll get team's 3rd corner on him.

That doesn't even consider who we have on OBJ. Carrol? Scandrick?

Yikes.

 

[Yoshimitsu]

Why is everyone so afraid of Marshall? At this point, he's an average receiver and that's about it. He was never great. He was good, but not great. There's a reason he's been on so many teams in his career. As for Charlton, I think he has a load of upside. I'm more than fine with the pick. This RDE v. LDE talk is nothing more than pissing and moaning. You can either play or you can't. Charlton can.

Agree. Hes on the down side of his career.

 

[BourbonBalz]

You're right and you're wrong. At one point, Marshall was great. At this point, he's not nearly what he used to be. Slowed down a LOT last year.

He was never great. As I said, he was very good, but not great. Now he's an average receiver.

 

[bayeslife]

I disagree about the giants. I think they have absolutely nailed this offseason. People are overstating their Offensive line issues.

They signed Rhett Ellison, DJ Fluker and Brandon Marshall. They drafted Engram.

The giants have to me an incredible offense. Ellison and Adams are tight ends that can block and play H back roles while engram is essentially a wr. They are going to be near impossible to defend. Paul Perkins looked good at running back.

That group if healthy is capable of being off the charts good. I think their pass protection is going to be just fine. I guess we have to just hope that manning shows up looking old and not willing to get hit.

Overstating their offensive line issues yet that unit is solely responsible for losing the division and getting beat in the first round

 

[theebs]

Overstating their offensive line issues yet that unit is solely responsible for losing the division and getting beat in the first round

again, they had an injury with pugh and issues at tight end and running back.

This year they brought in Ellison a very good blocking H back or tight end. They have a blocker in adams and now a pass catcher in engram. They have 335 pound fluker to help in the running game. Not sure if he is going to right guard or what but they have dedicated their offseason to improving their weaknesses and to me they have. I think giving perkins the bulk of the carries is going to be big also.

I just hope manning looks old and sluggish. If he has time this is a tough offense.

 

[DoctorChicken]

Why is everyone so afraid of Marshall? At this point, he's an average receiver and that's about it. He was never great. He was good, but not great. There's a reason he's been on so many teams in his career. As for Charlton, I think he has a load of upside. I'm more than fine with the pick. This RDE v. LDE talk is nothing more than pissing and moaning. You can either play or you can't. Charlton can.

Marshall was never great?

6 x Pro Bowler Brandon Marshall? All Pro Brandon Marshall?

The Brandon Marshall that, in 11 years in the league, has had 1,000+ yards in 8 of them? With the likes of Jake Plummer and Ryan Fitzpatrick throwing to him the majority of his career?

 

[kevm3]

Why is everyone so afraid of Marshall? At this point, he's an average receiver and that's about it. He was never great. He was good, but not great. There's a reason he's been on so many teams in his career. As for Charlton, I think he has a load of upside. I'm more than fine with the pick. This RDE v. LDE talk is nothing more than pissing and moaning. You can either play or you can't. Charlton can.

The problem is not Marshall. It's Marshall coupled with Odell Beckham and the fact that we just let nearly our whole starting secondary go. I'm fine with our pick, but I wasn't fine with letting all the secondary go. Unless Marinelli does something amazing, we better hope we can outscore teams.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Marshall was never great?

6 x Pro Bowler Brandon Marshall? All Pro Brandon Marshall?

The Brandon Marshall that, in 11 years in the league, has had 1,000+ yards in 8 of them? With the likes of Jake Plummer and Ryan Fitzpatrick throwing to him the majority of his career?

As I said, he was very good. I guess our definitions of great are different.